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Ironside   
4 Jan 2013
History / POLAND: EASTERN or CENTRAL European country? [1090]

Indeed it is, for many reasons - culture, cuisine, economics, etc.

You are not giving any arguments, it is just merry go around of your stubbornness.
Ironside   
2 Jan 2013
History / POLAND: EASTERN or CENTRAL European country? [1090]

Most of them, Paulina.

Most of what? You mean that you can find all types of western historical architecture in Russia?I presume you are not talking about later copies.

Anyway jon Poland is an Eastern European country (except geographically)but not for those reasons you mentioned.
Ironside   
2 Jan 2013
History / POLAND: EASTERN or CENTRAL European country? [1090]

that Poland isn't in Eastern Europe, despite culture, cuisine, tradition, language, history, architecture, landscape, economic output and geography.

We have established already that placing Poland in the Eastern Europe has nothing to do with those kind of reasons. Geographically only ignoramus can claim that Poland is Eastern Europe. As for cuisine, in Poland a German dish is commonly sold as Polish cuisine. If you mean perogis those you can have in Italy and China. Certainly not eastern European countries.

Realpolitik place Poland in the Eastern Europe and that is that.
Ironside   
2 Jan 2013
History / POLAND: EASTERN or CENTRAL European country? [1090]

rolly not the best choice of illustrating Polish cultural closeness to its neighbors to the east, but i couldnt find another so fast.

Stop that BS berni! It make you look like a fool. not that you are not one but still..
Ironside   
2 Jan 2013
History / POLAND: EASTERN or CENTRAL European country? [1090]

In purely geographical sense Poland is situated in central Europe. Problem is only in precisely pointing out what is and what is not Central Europe, a problem that do not have in Americans where such geographical features can be clearly distinguished.

Other than that we can talk about Europe in political sense when all those cultural and economical features already mentioned.
In after-mentioned order place of Poland fluctuate.
If one take imperialistic (some prefer to call it realpolitik) look at Poland and others countries in the region, they belong to the Eastern Europe. In short none of those countries is a big player in the international politics neither is an economical power.

In the sense Germany before WWI was called Central Europe and Austro-Hungary whose lands where shifted to the east comparing to present Poland was also Central Europe.

Meaning there is the west and the east (Russia) and in between there is Eastern Europe which is a kind of a play ground for those two. Once it is western foothold and more often than not it is eastern foothold.

Of course for Poles with their culture, history and aspirations they situated themselves in the Central Europe. The land when Russian and German powers and influence would be negated by rising sun of Polish power. So far it is only true in their half-realized aspirations and in culture which is neither eastern nor western.
Ironside   
12 Dec 2012
News / Kaczyński stirs up hatred between Germans and Poles. [20]

I don't care about them, you may call it tolerance! I
I'm just explaining to people who do not understand that there is difference between newspapers article and reality. A Call for ending disparity between rights of German minority in Poland and Polish minority in Germany is not string up hatred.

The fact that posters in this thread did even bother to read a link started to express their hate to JK!

In his visit to Opole, on Saturday, 8th December, Jarosław Kaczyński stated that, “Germans in Poland should have the same rights as Poles in Germany.

Gee paragon of hate, siring, how dare he/ it is clear that Germans in Poland should enjoy privileges whereas Poles in Germany should be grateful that they are allowed to live there!
Ironside   
10 Dec 2012
News / Kaczyński stirs up hatred between Germans and Poles. [20]

Oh really, what desperate, hateful twat he is.

how come?

but doesn't make that dumbsh*t any more likable

what do you care?

Hes a lame duck with a redneck flock.

come,whats your nationality?

I don't think this kind of thinking is consistent with the values of most Poles

What values?
Ironside   
7 Dec 2012
News / Poland's PiS = suspicion & fear? [70]

ut even if we assume the same ppl are in charge today's Poland is not PRL.If you ask anybody(missing PRL or otherwise) they would tell you that it's not the same in 90%

Well monopoly in media, fiances, soon there will be one party or three parties but no differences between them, over-depended and exploited by the EU! I would say that in all what counts it is PRL-bis except for the fact they people can legally keep their money and high life!

In this manner yes but creating administration to fight with corruption when in fact it's a tool to get more power

Correct me if I'm wrong but parliamentary commission didn't find anything of the sort!

I think that system in Poland should be overthrown!
Ironside   
7 Dec 2012
News / Poland's PiS = suspicion & fear? [70]

In every country you have corruption but fighting with corruption shouldn't be treated as a tool to gain political power

Well that sounds good but what it actually means? If you are saying that PiS was doing something illegal and wrong in that regard you shoudl bring on some examples!

No,by making enemies from our friends(or at least neutral

Sorry?

They finally had enough.

With mass media help to be sure!

Laws their created and atmosphear in which they ruled.

You mean you were afraid to bribe somebody?lol

I ever heard.In what manner today's Poland has enything to do with PRL?

There are different circumstances but the same people are in power! Also favoritism, mediocrity, bureaucracy.
Ironside   
7 Dec 2012
News / Poland's PiS = suspicion & fear? [70]

Every second since they arrested someone.

We can argue to and fro about the details I say they should put her on the ground and cuff her and you insist that shoudl watch her better - I agree they ****** up!

the consequences of creating and using such forces "na kolanie"(on a knee-fast and not to neatly.) and for political reasons.

Political reasons? Do you claim there is no corruption in Poland? I think it was a very mild solution, if somebody wants to get involved in corruption on any level should be punished - that is simple enough! I would make a law - if you cannot prove where your money come form you are investigated!

This is the excuse of every person that doesn't have friends-It's not that I'm mean and stupid

That is manipulation, who cares for excuses? Political and financial worlds are driven by self-interest, nobody is going look after Poland's well being!

PiS made a mess from international relationships.

You mean by stepping out of line?

It's a wonder then that they never did it in the past.It was the only time teenagers protested Minister of Education.

Exactly my point!

It depends on the teacher.How come there are teachers that never have a problem with discipline

Come on, of course they have and had problem with discipline! It is happening all the time especially after so called reform!

his other ideas that screwed things up.

Ah you are ideological ally of Harry! Well ...

PiS has nothing to do with it.If you're refering to these words

See there is something I don't understand you said that the most important is to keep PiS put of power and yet you do not vote PO - it doesn't sound quite right!

-I lived here when PiS was in charge,I had to follow their rules

What rules?

I felt bad in my own country

If you are happy in PRL-bis then there is nothing I can say!

Well intellectually, you would certainly pass for a Russian

Oh really/ You should be grateful to Russians because otherwise you and your kind wouldn't exist!

Like I said, no proof means that you,

Yes i cannot be bothered because you would say that I took those words out of context!
Ironside   
7 Dec 2012
News / Poland's PiS = suspicion & fear? [70]

If that's not incompetence then I don't know what is.

Gee I already greed with you they should cuff her right away!

And as tp the Vip person-everyone has the right to go to bathroom

Yes, after they are in the cell not in their own place!

So they are not credible.

Well in some cases their are and in some not - Boni admitted being a snitch!

Also The Netherlands,UK and France.

So ? Do you care? Poland has the right to the Independent policy!PiS wasn't doing anything bad, all has been used to Poland sucking up to them - so they didn't like when she stopped!

You just stated that during Giertych's rule it was going ti the right direction.

He just put some measures to prevent teachers being intimidated and humiliated by their pupils! That was step in the right direction!

And teenagers were following Tusk order?Why should they?They were protesting because they saw what was going on.

Are you kidding me? They sow *****, they were following media and were incited by others means as well! Anyway it wasn't that common!

What this has to do with my understanding

If you see PiS not being in power as the main reason for your vote than you do not understand much, unless you have some arguments other than - their are bad they made a mess and all that generalizations imprinted by the media!

No, by anybody who can think reasonably, which clearly doesn't inculde you.

Reasonably? You do not think reasonably end off!

No, he did not.

Sure he did! Whats the matter you should be happy about that and become Papua or Russian err maybe German if they would take you!
Ironside   
6 Dec 2012
News / Poland's PiS = suspicion & fear? [70]

I found the quote, and what he says is perfectly reasonable

You mean it is deem reasonable by the likes of you!

No I can't, because as you perfectly know, no such quote exists because he never said anything of that sort,

Of course he did - I'm not sure whether you can find it on the PF or not but indeed he said what he said!

And I fought that their job was to watch her

No they job was to arrest her and they failed by giving her VIP treatment!

They had many publications that were semi-professional.

So many others institutions but I have already agreed with you they do submit to political pressure- like in the Jedwabne case!

ppl asking them what this whole mess is about.

Germany using press to influence politics in Poland!

I don't think so.I remember this period pretty good and I'm really grateful that it ended

Why?

First you accused me that I didn't have enough knowledge to make a statement

Maybe our views differ! I think that Polish education is going to the dogs!

First you say that it was great that they were able to do it

I was being sarcastic,because demonstrations in democracy are something normal but inciting pupils to take part in the political campaign is dirty!

I may complain about many things but never about the fact that PiS is no longer in power.

Well, if that all you understand from politics then I do not think that your views matters!
How come you post about 100 posts a year!
Ironside   
4 Dec 2012
News / Poland's PiS = suspicion & fear? [70]

If you are correctly reading what I say, then you are lying about what I say.

So what are you actually saying ? Do you know yourself/?If you do just spit it out1

League of Polish Fascists is a common nickname for the Liga Polskich Rodzin

How common? Is there more people using that than you, your friends and Sierakowski?

In my soap opera they showed how a women-still not proven guilty-had the oppurtunity (under CBA watch) to commit suicide.

Yes, they should put her on the ground and cuff her not paying nice and letting her go to the bathroom or do you actually bevies the she was shot by them?

I already told that it was political tool and many historians stated that IPN historians are not credible.

Yeah I see what you mean they said that Jedwabne was committed by P{oles, still they flushed out some insolent snitches like Boni!

Communicating?It was rather yelling at their opponents.It was for show not information.

Possibly both!

That's a wonder then that when I met a guy from Holland the first question (when we started more serious topics) was "What's going on in Poland?"

Why? You should ask him not me!

And I thought it was because Poland was in political mess.

Well you thought wrong.

As I said I was studying pedagogic at that time and had family members attending to every level of education.

Well that hardly qualifies you to have a such strong opinion on the subject.

Actualy it was Giertych who told the teenagers that they will face consequences.

As they should! Using teenagers to do their dirty job - nice!

And I don't complain although I never voted for PO.I definately prefer today's political reality.

That good, and please remember in the future not to complain! Do you vote at all?
Ironside   
4 Dec 2012
News / Poland's PiS = suspicion & fear? [70]

Those of us who live here know that accusations of corruption are sometimes made for purely political reasons and cases of corruption are sometimes ignored for purely political reasons.

other than that there is no corruption besides few odd cases! Am I reading you right?

the League of Polish fascists

there is no such organization and never were! Would that be a lie?
Ironside   
4 Dec 2012
News / Poland's PiS = suspicion & fear? [70]

No,not media,by the governments ideas.
CBA,IPN,constatnt accusations,3 press conferences a day.

I guess in Poland there is no corruption or you mean you were living your life watching soap-operas and you were brutally remained of realities in Poland - that is scary indeed!

What is wrong with IPN? At lest people know whom they vote to power!lol Need to show their gratitude to all those snitches like Boni!

Constant accusation who was accusing whom and of what? Sun of Peru was well known to lead in silly and unfounded accusation but then it was Kaczyski's fault! I wonder how people can vote on such will-less Tusk when JK is his puppeteer?! lol

3 press conferences a day

Government communicating with people? Present gov do not need press conferences because press knows what to write in advance - improvement don't you agree?

Teenagers protesting

well you are right should send tanks on those bastards how dare they protesting!actually any protest such be nipped in the bud by ABW! Tusk will correct that blunder - protestors place is in jail!

Giertych stupid ideas

Well according to people who actually have a clue about education it weren't stupid ideas!

,almost daily humiliation in international circles.

What international circles? apart form Germany and Russian who have vested interest in Poland no other country gives ***** about Poland. If some internal Polish matters were published much in some western mass media it was because of:

1 ideological friends helping friends in Poland
2some circles in Poland with monies and contacts to have editorials published!

I presume that you have a quote for that? And preferably not taken out of context?

do some work for a change it will do you good!

Can you quote Palikot saying we must abandon our Polishness ?

Well, you can find it on PF!

Duck-face and Putin are definitely spun from the same history and have similar power fulfillment tactics.

Stick to your property bubble or somebody may qestion bubble in your head!gee
I'm sorry !I'm simply taken aback by the sheer ignorance of his/her post!

.And after all Poles decided.

I hope they are aware they cannot complain now?
Ironside   
4 Dec 2012
News / Poland's PiS = suspicion & fear? [70]

When PiS ruled the government was suspicious and ppl were scared.

Yes by the scaremongering media!
Ironside   
4 Dec 2012
News / Poland's PiS = suspicion & fear? [70]

Really, who are these people! Name one

Palikot

you fat ugly small liar.

WTF? Did you think he was talking about Tusk/ well he said that Polishness he always associated with abnormality.
Ironside   
3 Dec 2012
News / Goodbye Rzeczpospolita, Goodbye Uwazam Rze! Killed by Tusk. [25]

Varsovian,how exactly is Tusk acting like Putin in this regard?

It is not about Tusk but about connections! Present owner is connect with the same circles which lead to Tusk. there is no financials reasons for ending publications of said newspapers!

There are good reasons he doesn't go anywhere that has an extradition treaty with the USA.

Like Poland?
Ironside   
3 Dec 2012
News / Poland's PiS = suspicion & fear? [70]

One must apply common sense to the situation. If one was an AK member, yet after the war was allowed to finish one's studies and furthermore, one flourished in the Stalinist era and one was even trusted to work on the American embassy, one must be a member of the PZPR. One cannot deny such obvious facts.

Common sense is not your forte Delphi at least on PF! If you don't like certain politician why would you feel a need to attack his death parents, its dirty!
Ironside   
1 Dec 2012
News / Grzegorz Braun's firing squad? [39]

Imagery in my head : we take those who are believed to be traitors, random dozen journalists and random two dozen tvn workers count to ten and every "number 10" is killed.

Maybe it is just in my head, that is what you get after living too close to "place of execution" (Meaning a wall with a list of people executed there during WWII).

It is definitely in your head! Contexts is everything! I kill can mean three or four differed things! Also you need to pay attention who is saying those words. Braun as far as Know is not a politician or minister or anybody who could even potentially even execute anybody! He said it as a means of convening a fact that many people are doubling as traitors in belief that there will be not reckoning.

What would change that care-free attitude? If from TVN and GW take all editors and (assuming there are guilty) from them hang every ten as a wake up call to others!

Surely you understand that is only hypothetical exercise in rhetoric?
In real life situation nobody would bothered about such details - everybody who would be found guilty of treason would be executed or otherwise punished suitably.

this should be investigated.

What they say about MINISTER Sikorski - we will butcher them all?
Ironside   
1 Dec 2012
News / Grzegorz Braun's firing squad? [39]

I did say you do not execute people just because they work for company you believe is a traitor.

But he only said that is what they deserve and he meant editors and prominent people not technicians.

The offender should just say he's sorry for the gaffe, slip of the tongue or getting carried away and be done with it.

He thinks that he is above such mundane considerations at least on PF - so no sorry! As for gaffe or getting carried away phew?1He only shared his inner thoughts with us.
Ironside   
29 Nov 2012
News / Grzegorz Braun's firing squad? [39]

I feel that I would take a dozen from this group and a dozen from that and execute every tenth feels like a random "threat to everyone".

let say!
Are you familiar with conditional clause =?
Anyway he have no means to carry alleged threat! IF you think that he should be punished for such expression then Sikorsky should be jailed because he was minister when he said - we will 88888 them!

Do you see difference between - lets say and we will?
I think the real issue is whether deeds of said groups can be qualified as treason and if so should they be punished accordingly? That is all beef! Those people feel threatened because they know very well they do deserve to be punished! :)

If they think that putting Braun in jail will change minds of many, they are wrong!

But a penalty should be for deeds.

Sure! Misinformation and propaganda are deeds - see William Joyce case - post up!
Ironside   
29 Nov 2012
News / Grzegorz Braun's firing squad? [39]

William Joyce was only "reporter" and he even wasn't British!

Joyce was then taken to London and tried at the Old Bailey on three counts of high treason:

Some more if you want:

The only evidence offered that he had begun broadcasting from Germany while his British passport was valid was the testimony of a London police inspector who had questioned him before the war while he was an active member of the British Union of Fascists and claimed to have recognised his voice on a propaganda broadcast in the early weeks of the war (Joyce had previous convictions for assault and riotous assembly in the 1930s).

During the processing of the charges Joyce's American nationality came to light, and it seemed that he would have to be acquitted, based upon a lack of jurisdiction; he could not be convicted of betraying a country that was not his own. He was acquitted of the first and second charges. However, the Attorney General, Sir Hartley Shawcross, successfully argued that Joyce's possession of a British passport, even though he had mis-stated his nationality to get it, entitled him (until it expired) to British diplomatic protection in Germany and therefore he owed allegiance to the king at the time he commenced working for the Germans. It was on this basis that Joyce was convicted of the third charge and sentenced to death on 19 September 1945

Nicely done! What makes other reporters immune? lol
Ironside   
29 Nov 2012
News / Grzegorz Braun's firing squad? [39]

You are lying! Delph posted that, and now you and him are denying that fact!

What makes "rozstrzelać co dziesiątego" worse is the language. and history.

I don't see anything wrong with that! Did you read article?

what he actually said:

Let's say I would take a dozen editors of "Gazeta Wyborcza", with two dozen employees of TVN, Not to mention full-time traitors (...)., If none will be punished, shot, one in ten, it means that haven can wait - said Braun.
If treason is not punishable by a capital punishment by the state, that means there is demand, the marked for treason and apostasy.

Meaning that in Poland treason is not punishable but should be and some people do deserve to be punish for their deeds.. Severely to [i]pour encourager les autres
Ironside   
16 Nov 2012
History / Pokłosie (film on Jedwabne) [36]

the most controversial episodes in Poland's World War Two history, the Jedwabne massacre of Jews by their Polish neighbours

Controversial/ Rather unproven.

Historian Jan Chodakiewicz alleges that Pokłosie is an attempt to make Poles feel guilty of the Holocaust.

He may as well be right.
Ironside   
13 Nov 2012
News / THE ARMY OF POLAND - THE REALITY [493]

It seems very much to me as if the F-16 purchase was political, not military.

Sure it was and a waste of monies too.