History / How different would WW2 turned out if Poland accepted Hitler's offer [219]


What Czechoslovakia territory? Are you telling me that Poland signed territorial agreement with Czechoslovakia prior to 1918?
So stop lying Harry.


Yet she felt need to broke a deal with Mr Hitler. Why? Because she had a close alliance with France and if France would have been involved in war with Germany they would have to follow their suit.

all is connected Harry and if you fail to see that you have no place to debate history shoo troll.


At the stage Czechoslovakia surrendered their sovereignty to international bodies and give up a large chunk of their territory without the fight. The only fair would be take back area with predominately Polish population and which had been stolen by Czechoslovakia by stabbing Poland in the back during her war with the Soviets in 1920.

Maybe they should wait and obtain such paper as given to Mr Hitler by the western powers to make good and legal his claim. I'm sure they would do just that if only they knew about your bureaucratic streak.

To be sure Poland's government obtained such paper from the Czechoslovakia government if that ease your pain.
Well I don't expect pan-European to understand complexity and quirks of the European history.
By the way what had happened with your country?

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If you are implying some kind of agreement between those two you are wrong.


trying to imply things and making big issue out of small border dispute is a clear sign that some trolls here are bored.
Fall of Czechoslovakia came in two stages, in the first stage Germans took The Sudetenland and Poland their Cieszyn.The Second stage seen de-integration of Czechoslovakia as a state and then when so called invasion had happened and Poland had no part in the stage two.

There is the thing, Poland paid Czechoslovakia tit for tat.
The Czechoslovakian government in pre-war times snubbed Poland many times believing themselves safe. They calculated that Poland is in danger from both Germany and Soviets, whereas Czechoslovakia seen only Germany as a potential danger and lulled themselves into false sense of security believing that have pretty sound and cordial relation with Soviets.

Also Czechoslovakian government for most part of the early XX century was a darling of western powers mainly France.They considered themselves being in a close and cordial alliance with France.

When out of the blue they have been sold down the river and they long standing ally though nothing of betraying them.
Here came part I don't understand. Seeing how so called western powers are treating their long standing and praised ally, how they disregard their oblivions how they easily exchanged honour for convenience without even as much as a bating an eyelid. How they could have take their empty promised as a face value and how they could have refuse Hitler's offers and overtures.

It is clear that it was the only rational course of action at the time.
what were they thinking?
That is the qestion.

History / How different would WW2 turned out if Poland accepted Hitler's offer [219]


Joined? If you mean that they meet in conflict that you are right. But it wasn't some space Nazis but Germans, repeat Harry Germans.


Where is your country Harry? If you have none stop be jealous and talk smack about something you have no idea about.


Stop repeating that rubbish, how often your came backs are just sad and dry repetitions of already overused repertoire, you should learn as you go along and I'm sure that that qestion has been explained thoughtfully, only idiot or a person with malicious intent would saying things that he know to be untrue.


Such country never existed so couldn't have been sold. I see that you are up to your lies and trick.
Repeat after me Germans.


Criticizing? you are an ignorant but cheeky m***** who do know that much about Polish history and who do not understand history at all. The only one deluded is you.

We have two anti -Polish dudes in this thread. Anybody care to guess their names?[b][/b]

History / How different would WW2 turned out if Poland accepted Hitler's offer [219]

Well nobody deny that and that wasn't what Chris has written in his post.

History / How different would WW2 turned out if Poland accepted Hitler's offer [219]


stop lying about Chris post, after all everybody can read his post and your pathological lies are quite transparent.

History / How different would WW2 turned out if Poland accepted Hitler's offer [219]


Nah i will stick with my version.


stop that nonsense I'm not British war office from the period. They would tell you what they could do in details if they ever planned for that, but they didn't and neither did France they simply duped Poland.

History / How different would WW2 turned out if Poland accepted Hitler's offer [219]


any links or books?


Did they now? Never heard about it. Must be because of their negligible impact on the war.


What? do you want the details of something that never materialism? Very much like attaching gross of their forced to the attack and please do not put France out of the equation.

History / How different would WW2 turned out if Poland accepted Hitler's offer [219]


we are talking - what if here Harry!
If Poland and Germany would have attacked Soviets would Britain and France take part in the war at the stage attaching themselves to Soviet and if so would that attack Germany? I doubt that.

The only way to help Poland in 1939 would be full fledged offensive - so yes they failed to help Poland - end of story.


In 1944 or in 1943? British had no jets before Germans.


Still percentage would not be altered much.

History / How different would WW2 turned out if Poland accepted Hitler's offer [219]


Not really, Poland had been developing military industry which full potential would have been reached by 1944.

History / How different would WW2 turned out if Poland accepted Hitler's offer [219]


It all depends whether France and Britain would attack Germany over Soviets like they didn't do it for Poland.


No need, given the time Poland would develop their own fighter-plane that already had in the prototype stage.


well that would be highly unlikely.

History / How different would WW2 turned out if Poland accepted Hitler's offer [219]

I think that all rules were there to establish the real number of kills. Putting it all down to implied inferior methods of verification in Polish air forces is just a nonsense.

The same goes for RAF - they claimed more kills than there had been real kills.
All that has no real impact on percentage and that is clear for anybody who know their ass from their elbow.

History / How different would WW2 turned out if Poland accepted Hitler's offer [219]


well wouldn't be percentage be the same regardless of the numbers of planes.

History / How different would WW2 turned out if Poland accepted Hitler's offer [219]


Norman Davies Rising 44 p 38.


That is not what I said. Surely undisciplined is in this case just a qestion of perspective or a one point of view.

History / How different would WW2 turned out if Poland accepted Hitler's offer [219]


Polish pilots represented of 10% of the total filers employed. On 15th of September they accounted for 14% of German losses, on 19th - 25% and on 26th 48%.

"Had it not been for the magnificent material contributed by Polish squadrons and their unsuppressed gallantry, I hesitate to say that the outcome of the battle have been the same" - Air Chief Marshal Sir Hugh Dowding.

I'm sure that you are in better position to judge - not.


Polish pilots were very disciplined, most of them have been career officers of Polish Armed Forces, they were highly motivated and had experience of combat with the enemy. Treating them as recruits didn't inspire they trust in British officers after all many of them experienced the same imperial attitude and pricksh arrogance in France just to see that country going down in only six weeks not that much better than Poland. Given that Poland was devoured by the Germans and Soviets together and France faced only Germany, had a year to prepare, and the fact that geography and borders were much more favorable to France.


I guess it easy to be a "victor" living on an island in the middle of nowhere - would you like to share border with Superpower - Soviets. I just wonder how long would you last - not really but.

Stop whinnying will you? I don't care one way or the other but i think it is a pity that there are some people out there who do know something about history just to be so bloody stupid about it. The facts are there and denying them do not make you bigger but makes you less, like a petty little haggler.

Be like that if you want but do not start with the imperial attitude in the next sentence that just comical.


No but the key role of Polish cryptologists should be recognized.That the way to do it properly, not to grab all the glory for themselves like insecure lying little sissy.


War not, but the battle which all others people mentioned by you couldn't win. It inflicted have losses on Polish soldiers whose homeland had been handed to Soviet and at the point in time Polish high command was well aware of the fact. From the malpractice point of view it didn't make sense for them to continue fight against Germany.

That tragedy and dilemma and all what was involved is completely lost on you.


That is a silly qestion - one I'm sure you wish to retract. It just illustrates that you understand nothing from history save some bunch of disconnected facts and dates.

Abilities, skills and fighting spirit of Polish officers and soldiers and their contribution to the victory cannot be diminished by the fact that Poland economy after 19 years of independence and without benefits of long term exploitations of colonies wasn't able to support armaments needed to win against Soviets and Germans combined.

History / How different would WW2 turned out if Poland accepted Hitler's offer [219]


Not everything you can find on the internet and in any case I cannot be bother to look for that specific piece of information. However there were definitively long history of diplomatic negotiation between Hitler and Beck. Also Hitler wanted Poland in his camp as primarily he wanted to attack Soviets.


You are way off course!
When would that happened? after or before Soviets would have been conquered?Would you attack Germany then?Really?


That is nonsense and rubbish.


Well, it is debatetable, depends what period you are talking about but given the fact that you constantly exposes your ignorance as to facts about Poland I can sadly say that you are wrong.

Anyway gov of the IIRP was actually very good.

UK, Ireland / London is Poland's 24th largest city [85]

Chicago bills itself as the largest Polish city outside of Poland with approximately 1,100,000 people of Polish ethnicity in the Chicago metropolitan area

Genealogy / Mongolian the Golden Horde - do Poles have Mongolian ancestry? [256]


Most don't. Regardless it being bad or good. Pure fact.


They made it few time to strike deeply into territory of Poland and Hungary. It was in 13th and 14th after that the only Tatars attacking Polish Territory (now part of Ukrainian) came from their settlement on Crimea and those attacks were nothing more than rides to rob or steal people to sell them on Ottoman Empire slave markets. So if there were DNA admixture it was on the Ottoman Turkish and Tatar population not the other way around or seldom.


You are talking about Ottoman empire and 1686. They didn't have to cross Polish territory to make it into Austria. You need to read a couple of books more and do not forget geography.

Genealogy / Mongolian the Golden Horde - do Poles have Mongolian ancestry? [256]

Sure


You are compressing here a great distances on land, different people and different periods of times - that is mush -mash which doesn't makes sense.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Horde#Fall_.281480.E2.80.9315 02.29

Secondly Golden Horde or Tatars never ruled Poland or in Poland or over parts of Poland.
Thirdly maybe it is overlooked in books and historiography written in the English language.


Some do most do not!
Poles for a good three hundred years of their history has been a melting pot of ethnicity ranging from Scots to Armenian, so you could put there one Tatar or two.

Generally speaking however their impact on the genotype of the general population was not that great.

Genealogy / Mongolian the Golden Horde - do Poles have Mongolian ancestry? [256]


I think that you don't know much about either and views you may have on the subject are just unattenuated stipulations of yours.

Food / The name of a Polish pastry? Chrust? [60]


The Curious Case of the Snoogle: Story of a Sweet Ohio Invention



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News / Homosexual lobby steps up infiltration in Poland [110]


I just wonder what are you taking about. My guess is you are talking about feelings. Am I right?
However you cannot legislate feelings.

News / Homosexual lobby steps up infiltration in Poland [110]


What rights?

News / Homosexual lobby steps up infiltration in Poland [110]

Sure, all that info is not a news. The qestion is who is promoting that kind of propaganda. As they say - who is behind that?

In fact they are not liberal or tolerant at all.
Excluding experts that are opposed to one correct view. It Has as much to do with tolerance and liberalism as gas chambers with showers.
Given the fact homosexuals are decisive minority in a society is beyond debate that forcing views on children of majority is brazen trickery and has noting to do with such key words like tolerance, democracy, liberalism, progress - often used in that context .

Correct words to describe process of implanting those radical views on unsuspected majority would be - discrimination, oligarchy,totalitarianism, revolution.

Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2237]


it is next to impossible and then you must to keep your gun locked at home - most of the time. What good it is for anyone? Also it is not only about requirements but about discretionary powers of policy.

Let me ask you that - do you have a gun?


They have no time and money for what it takes to get a gun. It is not different mentality but different circumstances.


What are you talking about?

Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2237]


Are you for real? lol
I going to eat my hat if you can speak Polish properly.

Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2237]


Barney is Irish.


As a matter of fact that thread is about - The right to own guns: would you support such legislation inPoland?
Have a good day nevertheless!
By the way there is the thread about guns in the USA.


police do not pollute this thread with off-topic rubbish.
It is not about hunting.

Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2237]


soldier or policeman is no better than an average Joe. Sometimes even worse when it comes to so called professional soldiers.

Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2237]


It is sidetracking because I never said that I want or need one.
As the means of defense for a civilian such copter is useless.
As a matter of curiosity are you anti-military as well jason?

Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2237]


I don't know about tram or cross bow but car few years back some maniac killed seven people and injured few more. There was poison in Japan that killed more then ten people, and can we count bombs or home made bombs - you don't need gun to make them.

Sickness few years back killed hundreds - like swine flue.
You are sidetracking,as tragic as it may be ban on guns would not made the world into a safe place for everyone.

Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2237]


What a arrogant prick. Calling people name from behind his armed guards. That what is wrong with those liberal tootsies with no morals and double standards. They think they are better than everybody else.


You jason seems be one of those people who think they can control their surroundings and other people. I hate to be the one who is gonna burst your bubble - but the world ain't working that way. No gun is needed for something that could happen to people including you or anybody. Car, tram sicken, crossbow - As much as I do not wish you ill - I'm telling you that your safety is not quarantined and you can do only so much to ensure your own safety. I must stress that your fear of fellow men and guns is simply irrational.


contrary what you may believe i do not postulate for Poland to introduce American system regarding a gun ownership. They had centuries of tradition and practice behind them and they can do well with what they have.

For Poland I want to see recognition on the legal level that any citizen under certain condition can legally buy and carry gun. So far guns are for chosen few and rules are murky and discretionary.