Torq
8 Aug 2025
Feedback / I love this forum - It's so Polish: tolerant, inconsistent, amusing [337]
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Torq
8 Aug 2025
Feedback / I love this forum - It's so Polish: tolerant, inconsistent, amusing [337]
Wisdom and I are in a committed relationship, but it is me who wears the pants. :)
In other words: wisdom is my b*tch. And don't you forget it, Lyzko.
You might still learn wisdom yet.
Wisdom and I are in a committed relationship, but it is me who wears the pants. :)
In other words: wisdom is my b*tch. And don't you forget it, Lyzko.
Torq
8 Aug 2025
Feedback / I love this forum - It's so Polish: tolerant, inconsistent, amusing [337]
I apologize for calling you a retard in the other thread.
You are simply wrong on abortion. These things happen. Apart from that, you're a Honorary Pole. :)
As far as how his music speaks
to ME, he's Polakiem z krwi i kosci!!
to ME, he's Polakiem z krwi i kosci!!
I apologize for calling you a retard in the other thread.
You are simply wrong on abortion. These things happen. Apart from that, you're a Honorary Pole. :)
Torq
8 Aug 2025
News / Poland Sports News - part 2 [91]
Lech will be better off playing in Europa League or even Conference - more possibility of getting points to country ranking for Poland and victory bonuses. In Champions League they would be whipping boys.
F*cking UEFA is going to punish them for the "Kosovo je Srbija" banner :( Hopefully they won't close Lech's stadium for European home games.
Lech will be better off playing in Europa League or even Conference - more possibility of getting points to country ranking for Poland and victory bonuses. In Champions League they would be whipping boys.
F*cking UEFA is going to punish them for the "Kosovo je Srbija" banner :( Hopefully they won't close Lech's stadium for European home games.
Torq
8 Aug 2025
News / Abortion still under control in Poland - part 2 [383]
Logically and scientifically like justifying murder by the fact that the victim wasn't "aware someone was trying to take their life"?
Face it, Lyzko - you're a retard.
not logically or scientifically
Logically and scientifically like justifying murder by the fact that the victim wasn't "aware someone was trying to take their life"?
Face it, Lyzko - you're a retard.
Torq
8 Aug 2025
News / Abortion still under control in Poland - part 2 [383]
Just like killing the same innocent child in its mother's womb.
Oh, so being aware is the deciding factor. Interesting.
So, what if the murderer approaches the child at school quietly and shoots it in the back of the head, so that at no moment is the child aware that "someone is trying to take their life"?
You people (pro-abortionists) are seriously f*cked up in the head.
Killing a child in school takes the life of an innocent, living being
Just like killing the same innocent child in its mother's womb.
who is aware someone is trying to take their life!
Oh, so being aware is the deciding factor. Interesting.
So, what if the murderer approaches the child at school quietly and shoots it in the back of the head, so that at no moment is the child aware that "someone is trying to take their life"?
You people (pro-abortionists) are seriously f*cked up in the head.
Torq
6 Aug 2025
News / Poland Sports News - part 2 [91]
That is correct. A creative owner can have a club consisting only of Bulgarians or the Irish if he wishes - from the football point of view they are not foreigners in Ekstraklasa. xD
That is correct. A creative owner can have a club consisting only of Bulgarians or the Irish if he wishes - from the football point of view they are not foreigners in Ekstraklasa. xD
Torq
6 Aug 2025
News / Karol Nawrocki, the New President of Poland, Sworn In [12]
Wasn't my candidate but now that he's the President the past is forgotten and hopefully he will turn out to be worthy of the office. He can make up for his doubtful past by being a good president.
As for the rest - what Iron said.
Wasn't my candidate but now that he's the President the past is forgotten and hopefully he will turn out to be worthy of the office. He can make up for his doubtful past by being a good president.
As for the rest - what Iron said.
Torq
6 Aug 2025
News / Poland Sports News - part 2 [91]
State-owned company subsidizing a foreign football club (plus heavy subsidies from Serbian state-owned companies). Pensioners on sh*t money, atrocious health service, under-financed education, but state subsidizing Brazilian and Angolan football players xD.
As I said - modern football is retarded.
As for foreigners in Ekstraklasa: maximum of 2 non-EU can be fielded in the first 11. EU nationals are not even considered foreign. xD
Gazprom
State-owned company subsidizing a foreign football club (plus heavy subsidies from Serbian state-owned companies). Pensioners on sh*t money, atrocious health service, under-financed education, but state subsidizing Brazilian and Angolan football players xD.
As I said - modern football is retarded.
As for foreigners in Ekstraklasa: maximum of 2 non-EU can be fielded in the first 11. EU nationals are not even considered foreign. xD
Torq
6 Aug 2025
News / Poland Sports News - part 2 [91]
Good game by Crvena but modern football is highly retarded: Champion of Poland - 4 Poles in the starting 11, Champion of Serbia - 1 Serb (one!) in the starting 11. What's the point? How can fans even identify with such "Polish" and "Serbian" teams where Poles and Serbs are in minority in starting elevens?
Good game by Crvena but modern football is highly retarded: Champion of Poland - 4 Poles in the starting 11, Champion of Serbia - 1 Serb (one!) in the starting 11. What's the point? How can fans even identify with such "Polish" and "Serbian" teams where Poles and Serbs are in minority in starting elevens?
Torq
5 Aug 2025
News / Poland's geopolitical problems [34]
But we won't need to get circumcised, will we?
Imagine -- Poland as the Israel of Europe.
But we won't need to get circumcised, will we?
Torq
1 Aug 2025
News / Abortion still under control in Poland - part 2 [383]
Oh, you made it abundantly clear: instead of giving birth to your child (it would have your genes too, after all), you would rather murder it because of something that its father did.
Just to be clear
Oh, you made it abundantly clear: instead of giving birth to your child (it would have your genes too, after all), you would rather murder it because of something that its father did.
Torq
1 Aug 2025
History / 81st Anniversary of Warsaw Uprising [72]
Once again, we celebrate the memory of the fallen heroes and the murdered civilians...
... once again we ask our German friends and neighbours about the proper commemorating of Polish victims of WW2. Once again we are met with deafening silence.
Luckily, the butcher of Warsaw, Heinz Reinefarth...
... the one who reported to his superiors that he cannot kill all the civilians because he doesn't have enough ammo (sometimes his soldiers creatively threw Polish infants into the burning buildings, hence saving ammunition), and who sent a message to Himmler with best wishes and a souvenir from the loot, was properly punished after the war... erm... no wait a minute...
... he wasn't. His genocidal past didn't matter at all in the post-war Germany - he was a respected mayor of a seaside town (Westerland on Sylt island). He was the mayor until 1963 and was then elected to Schleswig-Holstein landtag.
wiadomosci.onet.pl/tylko-w-onecie/rzeznik-warszawy-po-wojnie-zostal-burmistrzem-kurortu-jak-do-tego-doszlo/007se
Let's again pray for the souls of slaughtered civilians and fallen insurgents.
Lest we forget... lest we forget...
Once again, we celebrate the memory of the fallen heroes and the murdered civilians...
... once again we ask our German friends and neighbours about the proper commemorating of Polish victims of WW2. Once again we are met with deafening silence.
Luckily, the butcher of Warsaw, Heinz Reinefarth...
... the one who reported to his superiors that he cannot kill all the civilians because he doesn't have enough ammo (sometimes his soldiers creatively threw Polish infants into the burning buildings, hence saving ammunition), and who sent a message to Himmler with best wishes and a souvenir from the loot, was properly punished after the war... erm... no wait a minute...
... he wasn't. His genocidal past didn't matter at all in the post-war Germany - he was a respected mayor of a seaside town (Westerland on Sylt island). He was the mayor until 1963 and was then elected to Schleswig-Holstein landtag.
wiadomosci.onet.pl/tylko-w-onecie/rzeznik-warszawy-po-wojnie-zostal-burmistrzem-kurortu-jak-do-tego-doszlo/007se
Let's again pray for the souls of slaughtered civilians and fallen insurgents.
Lest we forget... lest we forget...
Torq
31 Jul 2025
News / Abortion still under control in Poland - part 2 [383]
I'm not the one who wants to murder children because they would have a difficult life or might one day come looking for their birth mother.
We must have different definitions of compassion.
Right. So let's kill the child.
This discussion is pointless.
You appear to totally lack any compassion.
I'm not the one who wants to murder children because they would have a difficult life or might one day come looking for their birth mother.
We must have different definitions of compassion.
It's not going to be a happy ever after ending
Right. So let's kill the child.
This discussion is pointless.
Torq
31 Jul 2025
News / Abortion still under control in Poland - part 2 [383]
Oh, yes - it would have a difficult life, so let's murder it!
You genuinely terrify me.
There is also the possibility of giving the child for adoption. Anything is better than murdering it. How can you not understand it?
What sort of a life do you think it would have
Oh, yes - it would have a difficult life, so let's murder it!
You genuinely terrify me.
There is also the possibility of giving the child for adoption. Anything is better than murdering it. How can you not understand it?
Torq
31 Jul 2025
News / Abortion still under control in Poland - part 2 [383]
lol
Stop foaming at the mouth, British poodle.
STFU!
lol
Stop foaming at the mouth, British poodle.
Torq
31 Jul 2025
News / Abortion still under control in Poland - part 2 [383]
I always suspected you are a retard. Thanks for confirming my suspicions.
Without question, an animal and a moron!
I always suspected you are a retard. Thanks for confirming my suspicions.
Torq
31 Jul 2025
News / Abortion still under control in Poland - part 2 [383]
Miscarriages should not automatically be investigated by the police. Unless, of course, there is clear and compelling evidence of wrongdoing or deliberate action to induce the miscarriage (such as self-administering an abortion drug).
Routine policing of natural miscarriages would require too many police resources which are already quite stretched, and it would also be unjust, intrusive and lacking compassion for women who suffer deeply when they lose children through miscarriage.
So, not automatically but only when there is clear evidence of wrongdoing.
A human being or an animal? Make up your mind, half-wit.
subject to police investigation
Miscarriages should not automatically be investigated by the police. Unless, of course, there is clear and compelling evidence of wrongdoing or deliberate action to induce the miscarriage (such as self-administering an abortion drug).
Routine policing of natural miscarriages would require too many police resources which are already quite stretched, and it would also be unjust, intrusive and lacking compassion for women who suffer deeply when they lose children through miscarriage.
So, not automatically but only when there is clear evidence of wrongdoing.
Torq, you really are a pathetic human being (...) Torq is just a complete animal
A human being or an animal? Make up your mind, half-wit.
Torq
31 Jul 2025
News / Abortion still under control in Poland - part 2 [383]
So, you would let hatred get the better of you. By killing the baby you would add murder to the rape. Two crimes instead of one. Congratulations.
The Catholic tradition does not hold that all taking of life is morally equivalent. The moral distinction lies between:
- innocent human life, which is always inviolable;
- guilty human life, which under certain grave circumstances may be forfeited.
This distinction is rooted in Scripture, the natural moral law, and centuries of Church teaching. The unborn child is completely innocent. Abortion is the direct, intentional killing of innocent life, and this is always gravely immoral.
You're right. I was being unfair to Strzelec - he's sick and depraved but at least he doesn't want to murder children.
I would regard it only with revulsion
So, you would let hatred get the better of you. By killing the baby you would add murder to the rape. Two crimes instead of one. Congratulations.
Either all human life is sacred or it isn't. You don't get to pick and choose.
The Catholic tradition does not hold that all taking of life is morally equivalent. The moral distinction lies between:
- innocent human life, which is always inviolable;
- guilty human life, which under certain grave circumstances may be forfeited.
This distinction is rooted in Scripture, the natural moral law, and centuries of Church teaching. The unborn child is completely innocent. Abortion is the direct, intentional killing of innocent life, and this is always gravely immoral.
As for comparing her with Strzelec, how low can you go?
You're right. I was being unfair to Strzelec - he's sick and depraved but at least he doesn't want to murder children.
Torq
31 Jul 2025
News / Abortion still under control in Poland - part 2 [383]
You should have kept quiet when you had the chance, idiot.
Yes you do. You talk about "actual teachings of Christ" while all the time arguing for the murdering of babies. Ridiculous.
Sorry, but I don't feel like talking to such a depraved, disgusting and thoroughly morally corrupt person like you. For me you are now on a level par with Strzelec, and I'm putting you on ignore.
That would also mean Nazi and Stalinist state/civil rulers. So Paul was an idiot too :D
You should have kept quiet when you had the chance, idiot.
I don't use Christ to justify abortion
Yes you do. You talk about "actual teachings of Christ" while all the time arguing for the murdering of babies. Ridiculous.
Sorry, but I don't feel like talking to such a depraved, disgusting and thoroughly morally corrupt person like you. For me you are now on a level par with Strzelec, and I'm putting you on ignore.
Torq
31 Jul 2025
News / Abortion still under control in Poland - part 2 [383]
... dare to talk about
What unspeakable evil! 🤮
You and other feminazis
... dare to talk about
actual teachings of Christ
to justify murdering innocent children in their mother's wombs. They use Christ, who said "Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them" and who said "Whoever welcomes one of these little children in my name welcomes me", to justify their disgusting murderous instincts.What unspeakable evil! 🤮
Torq
31 Jul 2025
News / Abortion still under control in Poland - part 2 [383]
What a coincidence - my thoughts about you are exactly the same!
The traditional Roman Catholic interpretation of the fragment in question, whether you like it or not, is that state/civil rulers have legitimate authority to execute justice, even by capital punishment.
There we go again... *yaaaawn*
Spare us your sick fantasies - no one wants to hear the filth that crawls out of your evil mind, you disgusting person. 🤮🤮🤮
Sorry, Torq, but I think you're an idiot.
What a coincidence - my thoughts about you are exactly the same!
And as for Romans 13:4 - Paul just states that people should obey the government and its laws
The traditional Roman Catholic interpretation of the fragment in question, whether you like it or not, is that state/civil rulers have legitimate authority to execute justice, even by capital punishment.
a few cells
There we go again... *yaaaawn*
People like you (...) should be raped multiple times by multiple men
Spare us your sick fantasies - no one wants to hear the filth that crawls out of your evil mind, you disgusting person. 🤮🤮🤮
Torq
31 Jul 2025
News / Abortion still under control in Poland - part 2 [383]
... influenced by the people I mentioned. He wasn't alone though - most of bishops worldwide adopted the post-modernist position on capital punishment, contrary to almost 2000 years of Church tradition.
... you follow almost 2000 years of traditional Church's teachings and the Bible (which I quoted in #251).
On the other hand, Paulina, if you are against the death penalty, then you choose to follow modernist teachings from the second half of 20th century and disregard what the Church had taught for almost two millenia.
Hmm... what should people choose: 2000 years of tradition or several decades of modernist nonsense? *rolls eyes*
Same here. I really can't stand those heartless people who are willing to murder an unborn child for the crime of its father, to avoid its mother's trauma, or because it is not wanted. Horrible, cruel people. :(
John Paul II (...) was ...
... influenced by the people I mentioned. He wasn't alone though - most of bishops worldwide adopted the post-modernist position on capital punishment, contrary to almost 2000 years of Church tradition.
Btw, Torq, if you are in favour of death penalty then ...
... you follow almost 2000 years of traditional Church's teachings and the Bible (which I quoted in #251).
On the other hand, Paulina, if you are against the death penalty, then you choose to follow modernist teachings from the second half of 20th century and disregard what the Church had taught for almost two millenia.
Hmm... what should people choose: 2000 years of tradition or several decades of modernist nonsense? *rolls eyes*
feel like wasting my time on cruel, heartless people.
Same here. I really can't stand those heartless people who are willing to murder an unborn child for the crime of its father, to avoid its mother's trauma, or because it is not wanted. Horrible, cruel people. :(
Torq
31 Jul 2025
News / Abortion still under control in Poland - part 2 [383]
It appears that you continue to deny the ontological and moral status of the unborn as members of the human family, and stubbornly maintain a position that excludes the conceived child from the category of personhood or human identity.
Ah, well... I hope you will enjoy the lake of fire and the eternity of being sodomized by horny demons. Who knows, maybe with time you will even learn to enjoy it. Fingers crossed.
A fetus =/= a child
It appears that you continue to deny the ontological and moral status of the unborn as members of the human family, and stubbornly maintain a position that excludes the conceived child from the category of personhood or human identity.
Ah, well... I hope you will enjoy the lake of fire and the eternity of being sodomized by horny demons. Who knows, maybe with time you will even learn to enjoy it. Fingers crossed.
Torq
31 Jul 2025
News / Abortion still under control in Poland - part 2 [383]
Such statements never cease to amuse me.
Communists did not see confiscation of people's wealth as theft, and yet that is exactly what it was. Nazis did not see liquidating Jews as murder of human beings, and yet that is exactly what it was.
The way people like you see conceived children, living in the mothers' wombs, is not unlike Nazis saw the Jews - a sort of Untermenschen that we should be allowed to murder freely for our own well-being or whatever other reason.
Unfortunately, for you, murder is still murder and hell is still hell--the place where murderers will end up, regardless of their personal opinions or feelings ... (unless they confess their sins and genuinely repent).
LOL xD
@mafketis @Feniks
I really like you, people. :) You're slightly retarded but quite likeable too and I wouldn't like to see you engulfed by infernal flames for eternity. Therefore, take my advice: confess your sins, repent, stop talking nonsense and start defending the lives of children, whether they are 1-day-old and still in their mother's womb or 7-year-old and at primary school. Murdering children is wrong regardless of their age.
And I am truly terrified that I have to explain this to people.
I do not see early stage abortion as murder.
Neither do I.
Such statements never cease to amuse me.
Communists did not see confiscation of people's wealth as theft, and yet that is exactly what it was. Nazis did not see liquidating Jews as murder of human beings, and yet that is exactly what it was.
The way people like you see conceived children, living in the mothers' wombs, is not unlike Nazis saw the Jews - a sort of Untermenschen that we should be allowed to murder freely for our own well-being or whatever other reason.
Unfortunately, for you, murder is still murder and hell is still hell--the place where murderers will end up, regardless of their personal opinions or feelings ... (unless they confess their sins and genuinely repent).
My feelings
Those would be my feelings too.
LOL xD
@mafketis @Feniks
I really like you, people. :) You're slightly retarded but quite likeable too and I wouldn't like to see you engulfed by infernal flames for eternity. Therefore, take my advice: confess your sins, repent, stop talking nonsense and start defending the lives of children, whether they are 1-day-old and still in their mother's womb or 7-year-old and at primary school. Murdering children is wrong regardless of their age.
And I am truly terrified that I have to explain this to people.
Torq
31 Jul 2025
News / Abortion still under control in Poland - part 2 [383]
And this is, of course, not the point. The question is not whether the life of a rapist or a murdered is worth more or less than the life of an innocent child. The question is whether civil rulers can administer capital punishment on the wrongdoer, according to state law. As we can see above, the biblical position is clear - yes, they can.
one life is worth more than another
And this is, of course, not the point. The question is not whether the life of a rapist or a murdered is worth more or less than the life of an innocent child. The question is whether civil rulers can administer capital punishment on the wrongdoer, according to state law. As we can see above, the biblical position is clear - yes, they can.
Torq
31 Jul 2025
News / Abortion still under control in Poland - part 2 [383]
The law-givers have full right to administer death penalty. It says in the Bible about the authorities in power: "if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God's wrath on the wrongdoer" (Romans 13:4). St. Paul affirms the legitimate authority of state/civil rulers to execute justice, even by capital punishment, and in traditional Catholicism the death penalty has historically been considered morally permissible in principle.
Of course, after the lamentable Vaticanum Secundum (which, luckily, was a pastoral not a dogmatic council, so I am not obligated to believe any of its commie/mason nonsense) the Church made a mistake of allowing itself to be infuenced by masons, protestants, leftards and other retards, and shifted its position to anti death penalty. Thank God, most conservatists (aka sane people) in Poland support death penalty and rightly so. We hope and pray that our Mother Church will one day abandon its modernist ways and go back to conservatist, traditional teaching on capital punishment.
as a devout Catholic he cannot justifiably argue that one life is worth more than another
The law-givers have full right to administer death penalty. It says in the Bible about the authorities in power: "if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God's wrath on the wrongdoer" (Romans 13:4). St. Paul affirms the legitimate authority of state/civil rulers to execute justice, even by capital punishment, and in traditional Catholicism the death penalty has historically been considered morally permissible in principle.
Of course, after the lamentable Vaticanum Secundum (which, luckily, was a pastoral not a dogmatic council, so I am not obligated to believe any of its commie/mason nonsense) the Church made a mistake of allowing itself to be infuenced by masons, protestants, leftards and other retards, and shifted its position to anti death penalty. Thank God, most conservatists (aka sane people) in Poland support death penalty and rightly so. We hope and pray that our Mother Church will one day abandon its modernist ways and go back to conservatist, traditional teaching on capital punishment.
Torq
30 Jul 2025
News / Abortion still under control in Poland - part 2 [383]
Hey, if Paulina can argue from some "Rabbinical Assembly Committee", then I can argue from the Bible. :)
You're right - religion is not necessary in this argument. Common, ordinary human decency should be enough.
But Ron has a very good point there - every morality and every moral law must have its source in God (or at least in something outside itself) or it is ultimately worthless.
Arguing from the Bible leads nowhere.
Hey, if Paulina can argue from some "Rabbinical Assembly Committee", then I can argue from the Bible. :)
You're right - religion is not necessary in this argument. Common, ordinary human decency should be enough.
But Ron has a very good point there - every morality and every moral law must have its source in God (or at least in something outside itself) or it is ultimately worthless.
Torq
30 Jul 2025
News / Abortion still under control in Poland - part 2 [383]
I know - the Bible speaks about such people: "The fool says in his heart, "There is no God."" (Ps 53).
It also doesn't prohibit using 155mm artillery ammunition to shell civilian buildings nor the use of atomic weapons. It does, however, prohibit murder.
... and - although it may shock you - it isn't the only thing that rabbinic Judaism gets wrong. :)
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Anyways, I can see that arguing with people who think that crime of the father justifies murdering the baby, or that the mother's psychological well-being or feelings (or questions that she may be asked!) also justify the murder of the child, makes no sense at all. They are so brainwashed by the hedonistic civilisation of death that logic, common sense and ordinary human decency is totally wasted on them.
The only consolation is that most of them don't have children, so sooner or later they will all collect their well deserved Darwin Awards by dying childless and not passing on their anti-values to the next generation. How wise is our God! :)
There are people who don't believe in God Almighty.
I know - the Bible speaks about such people: "The fool says in his heart, "There is no God."" (Ps 53).
Bible doesn't prohibit anywhere an intentional abortion
It also doesn't prohibit using 155mm artillery ammunition to shell civilian buildings nor the use of atomic weapons. It does, however, prohibit murder.
Rabbinic Judaism doesn't consider a fetus a full human being
... and - although it may shock you - it isn't the only thing that rabbinic Judaism gets wrong. :)
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Anyways, I can see that arguing with people who think that crime of the father justifies murdering the baby, or that the mother's psychological well-being or feelings (or questions that she may be asked!) also justify the murder of the child, makes no sense at all. They are so brainwashed by the hedonistic civilisation of death that logic, common sense and ordinary human decency is totally wasted on them.
The only consolation is that most of them don't have children, so sooner or later they will all collect their well deserved Darwin Awards by dying childless and not passing on their anti-values to the next generation. How wise is our God! :)
Torq
30 Jul 2025
News / Abortion still under control in Poland - part 2 [383]
Oh... it MIGHT ... IF...
Yes, this 'might' and 'if' convinced me - the child should be murdered.
Oh, yes... FEELINGS... QUESTIONS...
Yes, these 'feelings' and 'questions' convinced me - the child should be murdered.
Do you even think before you write or do you just type whatever words happen to form in your brain at a given moment? FFS...
Yes, those couples are willing to adopt even children conceived (not made, you half-wit) in a rape, and it's not a disability.
You people are not normal. Something is wrong with your hearts and souls... something very wrong.
Exactly.
It's definitely not easy to recover from the trauma of being raped but it takes a special kind of idiocy to try and "solve" the problem by adding another trauma of murdering your own child on top of it. Mind boggles.
It might be if
Oh... it MIGHT ... IF...
Yes, this 'might' and 'if' convinced me - the child should be murdered.
how a women is feeling (...) asked questions
Oh, yes... FEELINGS... QUESTIONS...
Yes, these 'feelings' and 'questions' convinced me - the child should be murdered.
Do you even think before you write or do you just type whatever words happen to form in your brain at a given moment? FFS...
children who are made by rape or have other disabilities
Yes, those couples are willing to adopt even children conceived (not made, you half-wit) in a rape, and it's not a disability.
You people are not normal. Something is wrong with your hearts and souls... something very wrong.
the lifelong trauma and pain comes from having an abortion
Exactly.
It's definitely not easy to recover from the trauma of being raped but it takes a special kind of idiocy to try and "solve" the problem by adding another trauma of murdering your own child on top of it. Mind boggles.