Language / Will Germans be able to understand Polish enough? [77]

Germans are a mixed bag.

Sure, there are plenty who know really fluent English and can negotiate effortlessly in nearly any everyday situation. The trouble often comes when one scratches ever so slightly beneath the highly polished veneer of many a yuppified urbanite in any of the major centers, only to hit a stone wall; their English started out solid and rarely, if ever, moves beyond that point in terms of learning either more deeply the idiom of Standard English, or (HORRORS!!) recognizing there's till a great deal which they don't know and admitting it either publically or privately:-)

On the other hand, most Germans well over senior age, tend to know next to zero English, and if anything, WWII catch phrases such as "Lucky Strike", "See you later alligator" or the like, always rattled off with a thick native accent.

Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2237]

If at first you don't secede, try, try again:-)

Language / Will Germans be able to understand Polish enough? [77]

Yep, spot on matey!

Language / Will Germans be able to understand Polish enough? [77]

There are so many false friends Russian to Polish, and even reverse, that maybe only with the most basic, everyday vocabulary, could a Russian understand a Pole or the other way round. Often though, simply grasping a word here and there, is scarcely the same as understanding either the entire conversation as well as the gist of what is being said. An example I enjoy quoting is the Russian verb "pukat" vs. its Polish sound-alike evil "identical" twin "pukac"...similar pronunciation, but HARDLY the same meaning:-) lol

The list of such troublesome pairs is quite extensive, I can assure you!

Concerning using Polish in Germany, one has a far better chance of being understood using German in Poland. English naturally is taught everywhere, however, it doesn't necessarily mean that it's used or understood with equal precision.

Language / Polish language would look better written in Cyrillic Script? [212]

Oh, English too has many examples of unstressed vowels. Check out Southern US dialects in which "potato" is often prounounced " P - U - H - T - A - T - U- H", same with "tomato" etc.

Language / Will Germans be able to understand Polish enough? [77]

No debate here. The relationship between the two neighbors has been anything but either easy or pleasant. Each tolerates the other, but it's far from on an equal footing, and both realize this, I'm sure..

Apropos Turkish, in Berlin, it has become in certain sections of town nearly like Spanish in certain "barrios" of New York especially, and to be sure, Turkish will get one by to a degree in the German capital. Outside of Berlin, forget about it, especially in the former East Zone, as ethnic/racial tensions are running particularly high at the moment.

Language / Will Germans be able to understand Polish enough? [77]

Outside of Poland, of course, possibly Ukraine and the Northern Carpathians, can't really see Polish being that helpful.
With German, you will get by in parts of urban Poland, however I'd find it impossible to believe that Germans will understand enough PolishLOL

The minority will usually understand some of the majority language, though rarely if ever in the reverse!

Language / Polish language would look better written in Cyrillic Script? [212]

One reason why Russians in particular have such problems with the stressed vowels of English, Spanish, and Italian, what with their final "o-sounds", making them sound almost like "schwas", e.g. M - O - D - E - S - T - O will typically come out sounding like " M - U - H - D - E - S - T - U - H" etc.

Language / Polish language would look better written in Cyrillic Script? [212]

My teacher made me say the Russian word "D - Y - A - D - Y - A" (uncle) almost fifty times until I got the full palatalization. Thought I'd practically swallow my tongueLOL

Language / Polish language would look better written in Cyrillic Script? [212]

Russian pronunciation continues to dog me and my inability to pronounce even basic words/names such as the "soft" d-sound in 'dver' or the t-sound in my tutor's first name 'Katja", remains a constant source of frustration.

On the other hand, Polish pronunciation I picked up a like a fish to water. Still can't say why...and I'm the linguist who should be able to distinguish a struant from a plosive from a labial and a bilabial:-)

Language / Polish language would look better written in Cyrillic Script? [212]

Using English to communicate with Poles (on average) in my experience would be rather like using a drill for a job where a jigsaw would do even better:-)

Eventually, the wood can be pierced, but why all the extra added effort?

Language / Polish language would look better written in Cyrillic Script? [212]

Yes, though NOT all Eastern Europeans, for instance the Albanians, some of whom became Christians, while others Muslims.
Think too of the Bosnians, Bulgarians and the Serbs. All three received forced conversion, yet a huge number remain Muslims to this day!
The latter also do not uniformly adhere to the dictum of Cyrillic Script.

Language / Polish language would look better written in Cyrillic Script? [212]

Poland and Czech Rep., for example, are as Slavic as any of their neighbors.....in feeling and in history!

However, the adaptation of the Latin alphabet and the Roman Catholic faith was their attempt to integrate into Western society.

History / Occupation of Eastern Poland in 1939 [98]

...aka much of the Woodstock-era folks, tripping their little brains out under the guise of exercising "freedom of expression" vs. "convention" = faschism, along with many of the all-time pet peeves, discipline, organization, and standard.

'Scuse please, whilst I go barf!!

History / Occupation of Eastern Poland in 1939 [98]

For the same reason they wouldn't like to share ours.
Our ideologies are simply different, and though I'd like to believe "a smile means friendship to everyone", and that "it's a small world after all", I've found that this

kumbaya-type thinking doesn't work any longer in today's society.

History / Occupation of Eastern Poland in 1939 [98]

I'd go easy on the preachiness there, Milo!

Admittedly they don't, but do we share theirs?
Anyway, hypocrisy cuts both ways too.

History / Occupation of Eastern Poland in 1939 [98]

Germany always saw Russia in particular as their fabled land for future domination aka "Drang nach Osten" (Eastern Expansion), the fulfillment of a dream, quite similar if you will, to the US' doctrine of "Manifest Destiny".

Life / Moving to Poland, Ireland, Belgium or Finland? [15]

Atch,

Compared with the Poles I've encountered you're surely right on about that, agreed! Enjoyed the Irish-German anecdote, especially because it's true:-)

Life / Moving to Poland, Ireland, Belgium or Finland? [15]

For example.

Life / Moving to Poland, Ireland, Belgium or Finland? [15]

I've never been to Ireland, although I've met scores of Irish (NOT "Irish-Americans"!!) over the years here in the US, from grade school on down through college, and I must agree with the superficial friendly part completely.

Often, I would mistake an affable "hello" for an invitation to chat some, and was frequently puzzled by the look of consternation, quizzically raised eyebrow of slight annoyance, and rushed discomfort on the face my interlocutor!

In this respect, the Germans for instance, couldn't be more different. Little to any idle patter, but once engaged, they tend to hold forth with no holds barred on exactly what's on their mind. The Irish by contrast come across often as more "quick-tempered" or mercurial, less steadily focused on the topic at hand than the Germans, who

more usually than not (especially at meetings) can go into excruciating depth and detaile where for the rest of us merely a one or two-word answer would suffice nicely.

:-)

Apologize if my observations seem like stereotyping.

History / Occupation of Eastern Poland in 1939 [98]

I guess that's why there was an IPN-law ruling in the first place last year because the Germans admitted and atoned, is that it?

Don't kid yourself, dolno. There as many recalcitrant Germans out there, both young and old, as there are in Poland:-)

History / Occupation of Eastern Poland in 1939 [98]

Good for you, dolno.

History / Occupation of Eastern Poland in 1939 [98]

Nevertheless dolno, when I was in Poland and by mistake said "Stettin", I was rather upbraided and told I wasn't in Germany any longer, but on Polish soil and to at least make an effort to say the city name in Polish!

Many more elderly Poles will know fluent Russian, albeit unwillingly, than either German or even English:-)

History / Occupation of Eastern Poland in 1939 [98]

Better the latter than straight "wrongs" aka queer bashing by bullies too cowardly to face their own head on.

History / Occupation of Eastern Poland in 1939 [98]

For this among so many other totally justifiable reasons why most Poles would rather the poor foreigner try to pronounce the POLISH names of their cities instead of opting for the "easier" German superimposition, such as Szczecin NOT Stettin, Wroclaw and NOT Breslau etc.

Life / Stereotypes about Polish people being stupid? [281]

The fact is that it never has or had anything to do necessarily with what one studies at college. Can't tell you how many ex-engineering, economics, even math/stat/business majors with whom I graduated, NOT able to find even entry level work for as long as a year and a half upon graduation!

It's all a question of supply and demand, in Poland as elsewhere.

I was Modern Language Major and it simply happened that the language in which I was majoring became unusually "hot" at the start of the '90's and so my profession took off. Had that not been the case, it is most probably that I too would have had to go the barista route as well, hocking myself into debt for the rest of my life, having to put marriage, home, and children on hold indefinitely.

So happened that my particular area of academic endeavor allowed me to carve a niche for myself while still in grad school. I surely didn't plan it that way, but it was merely the luck at the time of a cooperative world economy.

Life / Stereotypes about Polish people being stupid? [281]

Here in the US, the more people at the very top such as Trump continue to make a mockery of truth, language, and history, it ought to come as no surprise that learning, much less true scholarship, are becoming less and less valued!

Before my time, yours as well I'm sure, ball players, including the Babe, Satchel Paige and many of the other greats, earned but a pittance of what they'd be earning these days, having to paint houses during the off season in order to simply make ends meet. They obviously earned more than a policemen, letter carrier or fireman even way back then, but much more within perspective than is the case now.

I rather think that such is little more than right! After all, if an engineer, teacher, lawyer or doctor must legitimately spend long years in school perfecting their skills or craft, they ought to earn far more than someone who is only a success by dint of certain natural physical abilities, albeit enhanced by practice along with strenuous exercise.

In the movies, today's actors such as Drew Barrymore, earn more than any of the really great stars of the 30's or40's, more often than not, with far less talent.

Can we honestly compare the present Ms. Barrymore with the likes of grandpa John, great uncle Lionel or great auntie Ethel.

No, it's not that standards have simply "changed", they've downright declined in order to accommodate watered-down, popular tastes, far lower than the popular tastes of yore.

Language / Short Polish<->English translations [1049]

"Ona moze mnie wkrecac." comes to mind, but it might not be as idiomatically vernacular in the same way a native Pole would say it.

Life / Stereotypes about Polish people being stupid? [281]

College in general these days I have come to regard as vastly overrated, confessed to be a long-term professor myself:-)
Education has become ever so watered down, there've been blogs about it, namely "CampusMentis" on the West Coast somewhere. Gaps in our universal knowledge, save for the familiarity with our immediate surroundings, have gotten so bloated, it's no wonder, being asked where China is on a world map proved too much to handle for many junior high schoolers throughout Middle America.

Recalls the now infamous quip by George Bernard Shaw: "The only time my education was interrupted was when I was in school."

Shaw had the ultimate alibi of being brilliant, therefore, while dull to his teachers, he later excelled as few others in mastering the English language.

College students today usually can furnish no such convenient excuse!

Life / Stereotypes about Polish people being stupid? [281]

????
Sure we're talking about the same Poland or are you just being your typically provocative little self?