jonni
2 Jan 2010
Genealogy / Jewish Roots of Poland [638]
This sentence does not make any sense. At all.
It is against my logic calling something a root of something totally different
This sentence does not make any sense. At all.
jonni
2 Jan 2010
Genealogy / Jewish Roots of Poland [638]
Not quite, BB.
How about from the house next door?
Remember, the word 'nation'is about common culture, not DNA. Unless you pretend otherwise.
£ajdak? Fajny? Bachor? Used by an isolated minority?
Just which isolated minority do you mean?
Part of the Jewish roots in Polish culture. Read the post before letting your knee jerk.
Germans (of whatever ethnic background, but mostly the aboriginal ones) eating them on an evening out don't feel they're leaving their German comfort zone.
Curry, from the Tamil word khari, made with spices imported by newcomers.
You and only you mentioned "a problem". I wonder why? Do you see cross-cultural influences as 'a problem'or an idisputable sociological fact?
Okay...let me see if I get that right:
Not quite, BB.
Some words IMPORTED from another country
How about from the house next door?
Remember, the word 'nation'is about common culture, not DNA. Unless you pretend otherwise.
used by an isolated minority
£ajdak? Fajny? Bachor? Used by an isolated minority?
Just which isolated minority do you mean?
Part of the Jewish roots in Polish culture. Read the post before letting your knee jerk.
Germans (of whatever ethnic background, but mostly the aboriginal ones) eating them on an evening out don't feel they're leaving their German comfort zone.
Curry, from the Tamil word khari, made with spices imported by newcomers.
a problem with that....your problem
You and only you mentioned "a problem". I wonder why? Do you see cross-cultural influences as 'a problem'or an idisputable sociological fact?
jonni
2 Jan 2010
Genealogy / Jewish Roots of Poland [638]
Give it a generation. Doner kebabs are a culinary innovation of Germany. One day they'll be part of Germany's cultural roots just as choucroute (of Polish origin) is part of France's and rijkstafel is part of Holland's.
Either your English isn't good enough to understand the post, or you have more basic problems with general understanding. I said there are words in the Polish language from Yiddish. Check up the derivation of some Polish words, like kibiców, bachor, fajny (according to some) łajdak, itd.
Though there are plenty of words in Yiddish that came into the language from Polish too :-))
Germany too has alot of kebab shops and turkish culture...doesn't mean german culture has turkish "roots"! ;)
Give it a generation. Doner kebabs are a culinary innovation of Germany. One day they'll be part of Germany's cultural roots just as choucroute (of Polish origin) is part of France's and rijkstafel is part of Holland's.
Belonging to the roots of Poland? Don't think so....;)
Either your English isn't good enough to understand the post, or you have more basic problems with general understanding. I said there are words in the Polish language from Yiddish. Check up the derivation of some Polish words, like kibiców, bachor, fajny (according to some) łajdak, itd.
Though there are plenty of words in Yiddish that came into the language from Polish too :-))
jonni
2 Jan 2010
Genealogy / Jewish Roots of Poland [638]
Indeed. In fact, according to Jewish tradition and religion, not Jewish at all.
Heritage if anything, is about culture - which adapts and changes according to all influences it meets.
In Polish shops, they sell challah bread, chalva etc. Traditional music here often uses Jewish melodies. There are words in the language from Yiddish. Many great (and less great) Polish artists, writers, poets, thinkers, etc were Jewish.
These are the Jewish roots of Poland. Not some inherited trait from generations back.
has the genetic heritage of both, it is not fully jewish
Indeed. In fact, according to Jewish tradition and religion, not Jewish at all.
Heritage if anything, is about culture - which adapts and changes according to all influences it meets.
In Polish shops, they sell challah bread, chalva etc. Traditional music here often uses Jewish melodies. There are words in the language from Yiddish. Many great (and less great) Polish artists, writers, poets, thinkers, etc were Jewish.
These are the Jewish roots of Poland. Not some inherited trait from generations back.
jonni
2 Jan 2010
Genealogy / Jewish Roots of Poland [638]
Adultery happens - rules of society or not. As old as the Old Testament. But does a cuckoo in the nest happen as frequently as a child is born to a couple? I would say far less often.
And your
is plain untrue and largely meaningless. The man walks away, the woman brings the child up. His culture isn't much affected (though the point is getting close to memetics). The family is affected. But this is only blood, not culture.
The Jews of Europe with their tight marriage rules and matrilinial tradition, is proved beyond any shadow of doubt by DNA tests to be a group descended from the ancient middle-east. The DNA influence from outside is small. Important to them. I would say that beliefs, folk history and values matter much more than DNA.
For the European gentiles, with DNA from here, there and everywhere, that isn't so clear.
You use the word
You use it more than once. 'Dilute' means 'to weaken'. Do you think mixing DNA weakens something and therefore 'racial purity' strengthens it?
You wouldn't be the first person in the history of your country to think that.
Adultery happens - rules of society or not. As old as the Old Testament. But does a cuckoo in the nest happen as frequently as a child is born to a couple? I would say far less often.
And your
always both parts "dilute" their gene pool
is plain untrue and largely meaningless. The man walks away, the woman brings the child up. His culture isn't much affected (though the point is getting close to memetics). The family is affected. But this is only blood, not culture.
The Jews of Europe with their tight marriage rules and matrilinial tradition, is proved beyond any shadow of doubt by DNA tests to be a group descended from the ancient middle-east. The DNA influence from outside is small. Important to them. I would say that beliefs, folk history and values matter much more than DNA.
For the European gentiles, with DNA from here, there and everywhere, that isn't so clear.
You use the word
dilute
You use it more than once. 'Dilute' means 'to weaken'. Do you think mixing DNA weakens something and therefore 'racial purity' strengthens it?
You wouldn't be the first person in the history of your country to think that.
jonni
2 Jan 2010
Genealogy / Jewish Roots of Poland [638]
Who dilutes its genepool more? That's obvious, the group with less strict rules about who they can marry. :-)
Don't you agree?
Well...it goes both ways jonni.
Who do you think dilutes it's genepool more? The overwhelming majority or a tiny minority???
Who do you think dilutes it's genepool more? The overwhelming majority or a tiny minority???
Who dilutes its genepool more? That's obvious, the group with less strict rules about who they can marry. :-)
Don't you agree?
jonni
2 Jan 2010
Genealogy / Jewish Roots of Poland [638]
A rather daft theory in that case.
It presupposes too much about the meaning of the concept of 'roots'. Through marriage and adultery over centuries, there must be plenty of Jewish DNA in the Polish genepool - whether that means anything today is a different matter.
There must also be strong cultural influence, in cuisine, music, literature, folk culture, ideas. Aren't these the real roots, much more than bits of ancestry?
A rather daft theory in that case.
It presupposes too much about the meaning of the concept of 'roots'. Through marriage and adultery over centuries, there must be plenty of Jewish DNA in the Polish genepool - whether that means anything today is a different matter.
There must also be strong cultural influence, in cuisine, music, literature, folk culture, ideas. Aren't these the real roots, much more than bits of ancestry?
jonni
2 Jan 2010
jonni
2 Jan 2010
Genealogy / Jewish Roots of Poland [638]
Except they aren't. That theory (about Khazars) that @joepilsudski rattles on about was proved to be nonsense as soon as DNA tests were invented.
And didn't JoeP say that the eastern Jews ARE actually from the East (Khazars)
Except they aren't. That theory (about Khazars) that @joepilsudski rattles on about was proved to be nonsense as soon as DNA tests were invented.
jonni
31 Dec 2009
Life / Do Polish workers have post-Christmas break? [12]
When I first came here, people used to say that any parcels should be sent, if possible, to an office address - they are less likely to be opened and stolen.
Perhaps this is still true.
When I first came here, people used to say that any parcels should be sent, if possible, to an office address - they are less likely to be opened and stolen.
Perhaps this is still true.
jonni
31 Dec 2009
jonni
30 Dec 2009
Language / It is not possible to translate names into English or Polish! [52]
Though here in PL, people say Michał Anioł, Wolter, Jerzy Waszyngton, Karol Marks and (this one really makes me fume) Szekspir.
Though a Pole in UK would probably be just as annoyed if they read Mitskieyvitch or Showpan.
John Major would never be Jan Major in Poland!! At least Albert Eistein can get away with his name, though.
Though here in PL, people say Michał Anioł, Wolter, Jerzy Waszyngton, Karol Marks and (this one really makes me fume) Szekspir.
Though a Pole in UK would probably be just as annoyed if they read Mitskieyvitch or Showpan.
jonni
24 Dec 2009
Genealogy / Adopted from Poland; trying to find my biological parents [99]
The first step is which town you were born in. Adoptions in Poland are handled by local adoption societies, town by town. They will have everything you need to know, and perhaps can change your life.
The first step is which town you were born in. Adoptions in Poland are handled by local adoption societies, town by town. They will have everything you need to know, and perhaps can change your life.
jonni
20 Dec 2009
Food / Polish kishka [76]
Filios1
Sounds nice but fussy. Here in Poland it is generally served with the skin. If removed, the contents tend to turn to mush.
Filios1
Sounds nice but fussy. Here in Poland it is generally served with the skin. If removed, the contents tend to turn to mush.
jonni
20 Dec 2009
Food / Polish kishka [76]
If kishka is the same as kaszanka, you should fry it (don't worry about it bursting - this is meant to happen) and serve it with bread mustard and pickles.
If kishka is the same as kaszanka, you should fry it (don't worry about it bursting - this is meant to happen) and serve it with bread mustard and pickles.
jonni
16 Dec 2009
Life / 3 reasons why you hate Poland. [1049]
Magdalena
I agree with you. My friend who sells on Allegro posts the stuff in the main post office after midnight. No queues and nobody getting irritated behind them. At my local post office on Płocka, there's only one window, not enough space for a big queue, and lots of old people trying to pick up (often too late) a registered letter.
I had to pick up some theatre tickets sent by registered post, last week. The queue was too big for the room, half the people in it were trying to queue-jump and argue with the stressed assistant, and there was an Allegro trader posting over a hundred small packages, each needing a form filling in. It would be better if he'd gone to a bigger post office during a quieter period.
I've seen the same problem in the UK too, with commercial customers, and in the UK, the worst thing is when people from shops bring kilos of coins to the bank to be weighed.
Magdalena
I agree with you. My friend who sells on Allegro posts the stuff in the main post office after midnight. No queues and nobody getting irritated behind them. At my local post office on Płocka, there's only one window, not enough space for a big queue, and lots of old people trying to pick up (often too late) a registered letter.
I had to pick up some theatre tickets sent by registered post, last week. The queue was too big for the room, half the people in it were trying to queue-jump and argue with the stressed assistant, and there was an Allegro trader posting over a hundred small packages, each needing a form filling in. It would be better if he'd gone to a bigger post office during a quieter period.
I've seen the same problem in the UK too, with commercial customers, and in the UK, the worst thing is when people from shops bring kilos of coins to the bank to be weighed.
jonni
16 Dec 2009
Life / 3 reasons why you hate Poland. [1049]
That one gets me too.
One thing I hate here is the overuse of registered post. Some quite trivial letters are sent by it, and you have to wait (in my case) in a tiny post office, with a queue of people (mostly retired) arguing with the assistant and there's always, but always, someone who trades with Allegro sending fifty packages by registered post, each one with a form to fill in and not one but two rubber stamps.
t's just like the UK - and most of the problems are caused by the fact that the old idiots just HAVE to go to the post office at peak times.
That one gets me too.
One thing I hate here is the overuse of registered post. Some quite trivial letters are sent by it, and you have to wait (in my case) in a tiny post office, with a queue of people (mostly retired) arguing with the assistant and there's always, but always, someone who trades with Allegro sending fifty packages by registered post, each one with a form to fill in and not one but two rubber stamps.
jonni
15 Dec 2009
Language / Polish Swear Words [1242]
Yes, that's a fair interpretation. Word for word, it would be "I'm a wretched fucking shit".
Jestem nędzny pierdolenie gnój
Yes, that's a fair interpretation. Word for word, it would be "I'm a wretched fucking shit".
jonni
15 Dec 2009
jonni
15 Dec 2009
jonni
14 Dec 2009
Food / Polish Cake inside crust with almonds? [10]
wizski
That would be a good idea. I'll ask around, maybe the recipe's familiar to someone I know.
wizski
That would be a good idea. I'll ask around, maybe the recipe's familiar to someone I know.
jonni
14 Dec 2009
Food / Polish Cake inside crust with almonds? [10]
Have a look at this link. It's a Jewish recipe, but same territory, same ingredients, same cafes etc. It doesn't have breadcrumbs, but looks a bit similar to the recipe you mentioned.
charlottesvveb.com/2009/05/13/jewish-almond-cake/
Have a look at this link. It's a Jewish recipe, but same territory, same ingredients, same cafes etc. It doesn't have breadcrumbs, but looks a bit similar to the recipe you mentioned.
charlottesvveb.com/2009/05/13/jewish-almond-cake/
jonni
14 Dec 2009
jonni
28 Nov 2009
Love / What do Polish girls think about dating Asian guys? [134]
Not all Vietnamese are shoe sellers.
Not all shoe sellers are creepy.
Not all Poles are hansdome.
Some are weird.
Vietnamese shoe-seller to a handsome Pole
Not all Vietnamese are shoe sellers.
Not all shoe sellers are creepy.
Not all Poles are hansdome.
Some are weird.
jonni
24 Nov 2009
Food / Confusion over flour names in Poland [46]
I've used the Polish 'proszek do pieczenia' stuff. It isn't the same. If you use those sachets and don't adjust the amounts, you can get a nasty surprise. Or at best a leaden cake.
To do with the amount of Cream of Tartar.
I've used the Polish 'proszek do pieczenia' stuff. It isn't the same. If you use those sachets and don't adjust the amounts, you can get a nasty surprise. Or at best a leaden cake.
To do with the amount of Cream of Tartar.
jonni
24 Nov 2009
Food / Confusion over flour names in Poland [46]
Yes. Polish flour is all plain.
They sell baking soda in most food shops, but soda is all it usually is, in sachets rather than tins, and works reasonably well as long as you don't use too much. If you want baking powder, Kuchnie Świata stock it (Złoty Taras branch), in the British foods section, otherwise check the ingredients on the sachet carefully.
do I use tortowa and add baking powder
Yes. Polish flour is all plain.
They sell baking soda in most food shops, but soda is all it usually is, in sachets rather than tins, and works reasonably well as long as you don't use too much. If you want baking powder, Kuchnie Świata stock it (Złoty Taras branch), in the British foods section, otherwise check the ingredients on the sachet carefully.
jonni
24 Nov 2009
Work / Teaching English in Zakopane, is it safe? [45]
Their leaders dress in robes, and the encourage other men and women to join them, work for them, wearing robes with hoods, and give all their money to them. Obsessed with sex too.
Seriously, Zakopane, particularly in summer, is cosmopolitan enough not to be too backward.
Jammed full of tourists though, and accommodation is always ar a real premium.
burn things and chant and talk to dead people and deities...
Their leaders dress in robes, and the encourage other men and women to join them, work for them, wearing robes with hoods, and give all their money to them. Obsessed with sex too.
Seriously, Zakopane, particularly in summer, is cosmopolitan enough not to be too backward.
Jammed full of tourists though, and accommodation is always ar a real premium.
jonni
21 Nov 2009
jonni
21 Nov 2009
Life / 3 reasons why you hate Poland. [1049]
In Poland, Poczta Polska also deliver money. I had some money sent through the system - it was a rebate from the Tax Office, in the days before they just transfered it to a bank account.
The Tax Office wrote my name by hand - a little unclearly. It isn't a complicated foreign name - I have a surname relatively common in Poland.
But would they give the cash to me? Would they heck. They said it must be a different person at the same address!
Still haven't got it
Mail?What's wrong with mail system?
In Poland, Poczta Polska also deliver money. I had some money sent through the system - it was a rebate from the Tax Office, in the days before they just transfered it to a bank account.
The Tax Office wrote my name by hand - a little unclearly. It isn't a complicated foreign name - I have a surname relatively common in Poland.
But would they give the cash to me? Would they heck. They said it must be a different person at the same address!
Still haven't got it
jonni
20 Nov 2009
Life / 3 reasons why you hate Poland. [1049]
If someone likes a restaurant or shop, they tell on average 3 people. If they hate it they tell 20.
And the number of posts isn't a fair indicator. Somebody writes the three reasons they love Poland, and a couple of people reply to say, that indeed yes, they like the same things. Somebody posts the three reasons they hate Poland and people are arguing for days about it.
Also a lot of people here are expats or immigrants. It would be rude to moan to their Polish friends, in-laws etc about Poland's shortcomings. So doing it here is a good alternative.
Why indeed. The filthy stuff is everywhere. I heard about a lady in Belgium who got so sick of it in her street that she bought some little Belgian flags, on cocktail sticks, and stuck one into each turd. Within a day her street was clean and the neighbours started to be more careful.
Polish flags are easy to find - it might work here, if anyone can face doing it.
The number of "replies" on "3 reasons why you hate poland" is more than that of "Why do you love poland?"
If someone likes a restaurant or shop, they tell on average 3 people. If they hate it they tell 20.
And the number of posts isn't a fair indicator. Somebody writes the three reasons they love Poland, and a couple of people reply to say, that indeed yes, they like the same things. Somebody posts the three reasons they hate Poland and people are arguing for days about it.
Also a lot of people here are expats or immigrants. It would be rude to moan to their Polish friends, in-laws etc about Poland's shortcomings. So doing it here is a good alternative.
explain why the simple concept of picking up after your pooch is so difficult for people here to understand
Why indeed. The filthy stuff is everywhere. I heard about a lady in Belgium who got so sick of it in her street that she bought some little Belgian flags, on cocktail sticks, and stuck one into each turd. Within a day her street was clean and the neighbours started to be more careful.
Polish flags are easy to find - it might work here, if anyone can face doing it.