History / The great mistakes of Poland's history? [216]


I'm sorry Mława and Jordanów and its not a lie dont make me research every reply you dont research any of them.


You call Bzura or Tomaszów Lubelski easy victories?


Strategic bombing? You know what it did to Stalingrad?:)

News / THE ARMY OF POLAND - THE REALITY [493]


Thats been done, Poland can easily squash anything east of its border thats not Russia.


The opinions are glowing but the troops in Afghanistan are a world level elite and the best WP has to offer they're not average professional soldiers.

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Our PT-91s? Much less protection, no modern ammo and have to stop to shoot, also inferior optics.


Only because Georgians bailed out fearing annexation.

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Russia entered Georgia without a fight, it also got its columns clogged on the roads for nearly 12 hours which in any real war would mean a slaughterhouse, another point is the complete mess in which Russians entered, for example logistic columns arriving a full two hours before tanks without any recon, by comparison Polish army by standard procedure sends commando troops on ATVs or UAVs, same for Germany.


We're talking about a symmetric conflict not counter insurgency.

History / The great mistakes of Poland's history? [216]


Polish GDP grew 310% in 20 years, thats pretty savvy.

Let me explain to you how economy of a 100% agricultural Poland worked, you need to buy machines, train specialists and build factories, you also need to build infrastructure, secure resources to have that economy going and to make all those investments you needed money.

Now if you're a poor country like Poland and your two immidiate neighbours embargo you, you cant purchase machines, train specialists and build up infastructure and building base all at once which is why polish economy while growing fast could not reach a level of an industrialised country in 20 years.


Aka Polish armies did not lose a single battle in the first 48 hours untill the 5th division collapsed (due to polish high command mess up by the way) so yes the border battle was a complete success everywhere for the first 2 days.


I dont hype anything, cavalry was inferior to mechanized units if only by principle of suffering more then 10x losses in most engagements, i'm saying however that it was an effective fighting unit and its weakness as portrayed in the western media is a myth.


"Rauss' memoirs "Memoirs of the Soldier" by Guderian and more, i dont care about what some historian chooses to make up, Germans themseves admitted it was not Blitzkrieg, everyone on the topic agrees it was no Blitzkrieg.

German tanks did not race to meet deep objectives, they broke through and supported the infantry, thats not to say Germans didnt use new tactics like organic air support or motorised kampfgruppen but it had nothing to do with actuall Blitzkrieg that got used in France.


Given that the german army failed to reach any strategic objectives by 14th September and every assault against Warsaw was ending in a bloodbath for the attackers i'd say 1-2 months (without the russian invasion) was pretty realistic.


Last i checked Brits and French got their arse handed to them with only one brigade level battle (lost by the way) in a grand total of about a month of conflict, at the same time Poland had fought multiple army level battles and won a grand total of 12 major battles 2 of the division level and 10 regiment or brigade level.

The losses incurred by the Polish army constituted more then 70% of the total german losses fighting Belgium, Holland, France and UK in 1941 so i'll still stick to my point that the polish army performed better than any allied force 1942.

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Much more modern hardware and a much larger airforce.


No we have some modern military equipment, german military is 100% state of the art quality, thats a difference.


Russian army doesnt have any modern equipment, their training is a joke and whenever they procure something relatively modern like a T-90 tank it turns out they dont have the money to field enough of this.


Germans have a small modern well organised force with a massive pile of reserve hardware, they can organise an efficient war machine very quickly, Russians on the other hands had problems even marching into Georgia in an orderly manner.

The difference in quality of an individual soldier on every level (between Poland and Russia) is huge, there's no visible difference in quality of German and Polish troops with the only difference being Germans have more modern sticks, and more of them.

History / The great mistakes of Poland's history? [216]


By when? It had null factories thats for certain and coal wont build you a tank.

Ps. many of the regions including Breslau were in Germany.

History / The great mistakes of Poland's history? [216]


Poland cut trade relations? Thats some new history for me.


The region was so poor because it had poor management under Bismarck.


He never planned the border battle just the mobilisation.


The Battle of the Border went very well untill the collapse of the 5th infantry division, all across the front the army was holding the line however with severing the line in Pomerania it was effectively over regardless of other successes everywhere.


Germans didnt use Blitzkrieg in Poland, they used traditional breakthrough and envelopment tactics.


We did? Funny so why did Kutrzeba say outright that Poland is incapable of defence longer then 1-2 months?

In other words you dont know sh*t Sean and to cover it up you fall on your rubbish conspiracy theories.


The war was an obvious failure however multiple major battles were won and thats more that can be said for UK and France in 1940 or Russia in 1941.

History / The great mistakes of Poland's history? [216]


And electricity and metal works and special materials and everything.


Yes there was abundant mineral wealth but the region was till pyss poor.


Stachiewicz?! One historian please!


ATs outranged all German tanks.


He ignores the fact that while polonising Germany was possible it was so much easier to dominate the east.

History / The great mistakes of Poland's history? [216]


Nope, none at all.


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Educate yourself Sean.


Not even close.


There were no motor factories, no tire factories, no engine factories, no anything factories, Silesia was a poverty stricken region where miners were being paid a minimum wage.


Mobilisation plan Z, purchase of 1200 37mm AT guns, creating armored-motorised brigades, responsible for mobilising troops when UK and France did, halted by Śmigły who in turn was pressured by the West.

Specific enough for you?


All of his plans except mobilisation were implemented and all of them were succesfull, your point is?


Maybe its because you're completely clueless as to how the cavalry fought?

Horses were the means of getting onto the battlefield, when they did get there soldiers dismounted, uncoupled artillery and proceeded to fight as regular infantry (with a larger amount of artillery and mgs).

History / The great mistakes of Poland's history? [216]


Jezu Chryste... No Sean Poland was destroyed post WW1 and had no industry, everything had to be built using domestic capital and there wasnt much of it either.

Polish army had modern weapons and Poland was spending 30% of its GDP on arms but our GDP was so tiny that there could not be anything resembling a western army.


Piłusdskis words "siedzimy na dwóch stołkach, pytanie z które spadniemy najpierw" - we're sitting on two stools, question is which we will fall from first.

Poland prepared its army to a degree which its small economy permitted and this underequipped army performed better then the combined French and British forces a year later.

Poland secured the alliance of two most powerfull European states, UK and France.

Poland did everything both militarily and politically to prepare itself, nothing more could be done, i have no idea where do you come from with your silly theories atm.


Collecting data on what? 2/3rds of all early intel the West had on Germany came from Polish intelligence so whats your point?


No, there was also Bzura, Krojanty and a f*ckton of other battles where cavalry performed admirably and was forced to cave in only in the face of combined arms and superior numbers.

Of course cavalry was inferior to mechanized units but when staffed by skilled and determined troops it could and did repeteadly shoulder its mechanized counterparts, the myth of the Polish uhlans bending over to the mighty panzers is just that, a myth.

History / The great mistakes of Poland's history? [216]


Pzl £oś, UR-AT, TP-7, CP series, Marioszka automatic rifles, Wolf project, 47mm AT gun, 150mm long range arty, 90mm towed mortar, infantry grenade launcher, modern uniforms, BAR automatic rifles, SMGs, Renault halftracks, PzInż 222 halftrucks, Wist pistol, modern tank periscope, new series of long range radios, new helmets...

All in all more then 900 pieces of new equipment between 1936 and 39, i can dig out a complete list, just because we didnt have money to shape up our army doesnt mean no efforts were made, there were gargantuan efforts just not enough $ to make good on them.


Actually they did think that cavalry generously equipped with light and medium artillery would, the Battle of Mokra proved them right.

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Germany would roll over Poland quite fast they're massively more powerfull, short conflict with Russia could be doable, Belarus and Ukraine would get crushed in a month, the difference between our army and theirs is as big as between us and Germany.


Because our politicians are idiots.


Superior quality.

History / The great mistakes of Poland's history? [216]


Actually they were heeded and all that could be done was done.

History / The great mistakes of Poland's history? [216]


The problem was that the Teutonic Order was not interested in a long term alliance with Poland and they were bound to use Hungary to make Poland wage a two front unwinnable war sooner then later.


Ruthenians.

Actually if Poland burned Malborg to the ground no World Wars would happen since there would be no Prussia, Poland even without Germany was the richest country in Europe untill 17th century and Russia alone never posed a serious threat to the Commonwealth untill XVIII century and the serious decline of the state.

History / Piłsudski, like Hitler and Stalin (according to some Lithuanians) [144]

Sorry Sean but interwar Poland was not in any shape to become a major power without vast external investment, US and UK were pumping cash into Germany and France was in crisis (even if it wasnt France was and still is notoriously cheap and unreliable as an ally).

Interwar Polish economy was probably the fastest growing in the world but only with local investment, without outside money there was just too little time.

Life / Why are so many Polish People rude on the internet? [96]


**** you man, we're not rude.

History / Piłsudski, like Hitler and Stalin (according to some Lithuanians) [144]


Except for the part where they invaded Georgia itself.


Which are related to Russia how? Ukraine interferes in Belarusian matters -> Poland invades Ukraine, makes about as much logic ie none at all.


Again, these countries were not russian protectorates and their govts did not ask Russia to help untill the Red Army was already in them then suddenly they were all too eager to ask.


Waste of money and resources, dont give a sh*t about the moral aspect, sorry.


Yeah when invading midget countries.


Yes it was but its not going to arm Russia for free and money is thin in Moscow.


Yes it would but no it wont, US is NATO and they want Ukraine as a regional loudmouth since Poland is smarting up but that doesnt mean they want to invest in a country thats so weak and unstable and a potential hotbed for war.

History / Piłsudski, like Hitler and Stalin (according to some Lithuanians) [144]


Set up invasion of his own country? You know Sean sometimes you make sense but sometimes you're heading downstream on the river of f*cking crazy.


How?


Thats mainly because they got burned in their unofficial attempts in the 90s, Ukraine can only officially aspire to NATO if they're certain they're in, no one except Poland wants them in so they cant come to the table openly.


Thats the press for you, "Russia is building 11 subs" "Russia is buying 4 assault ships" the only thing Russia bought in the last 10 years was a bunch of T-90 tanks.


French are a notoriously unreliable political partner Sarkozy or not, the problem with French is that they're not sure what their business is and is not so they keep shooting mouths at random.

History / Piłsudski, like Hitler and Stalin (according to some Lithuanians) [144]


And whats the full truth of it that our president doesnt know but a school teacher does?


Actually they have for quite some time now, its just that NATO isnt rushing towards them.


They havent, Russia wanted to buy some assault ships but couldnt afford it.

History / Piłsudski, like Hitler and Stalin (according to some Lithuanians) [144]

Hell no i'm with Torque, they're a historical part of Rzeczpospolita and need to find a way back, we should totally help them find their way back Żeligowski style, and then we could help Ukraine find their way back as well :)))

History / Piłsudski, like Hitler and Stalin (according to some Lithuanians) [144]


And for Nathan life equals masturbation, preferably with people listening :)))))

History / Future of Kaliningrad Oblast - is it possible to annex by Poland or will it become an independent country? [137]


Southern?

History / Future of Kaliningrad Oblast - is it possible to annex by Poland or will it become an independent country? [137]

Only when reading foreigners and even then only some, the few Poles here are sensible, bar JoePiłsudski and Grubas.

History / Future of Kaliningrad Oblast - is it possible to annex by Poland or will it become an independent country? [137]


Because they're a bunch of neo-nazi c*nts.


F*ck yeah so is axis history forums, so are other covertly neo-nazi and symphatetic shyteholes.


Yeah if you look for hours, otherwise its still a craphole populated by lobotomized monkeys who couldnt get a decent life so they blame it on everything but themselves.

History / Future of Kaliningrad Oblast - is it possible to annex by Poland or will it become an independent country? [137]


GTFO son, this is no place for Stormfront and its readers.

History / 'Battle of Britain' won thanks to Polish aces !! [158]


What forces did he pull back? Last i checked none.

History / remember, forget, forgive, blame ... Holocaust Memorial Day in Poland [229]

Nathan are you jealous because Ukraine has no friends or allies and nobody wants it as anything more then a tool? At no point in history was your country equal to Poland or treated as equal, today we're trying to make up for it but still there's little monkeys like you that make our job difficult:)

History / remember, forget, forgive, blame ... Holocaust Memorial Day in Poland [229]

And whats so bad about us? When we were power we let Germans from then much poorer Germany in, you came to a wealthy country that since its beginnings never knew hunger or poverty, you've been treated with respect, no one ever tried to forbid you your way of life etc.

In the end even when the Turks came and you were helpless Poland was there to help you, when you were fighting the 30 years war Poland though a regional power did not invade, we've been the most benevolent European power in our continents history (if you dont count exploiting Nathans grandparents:) ) especially in regards to Germany.

History / remember, forget, forgive, blame ... Holocaust Memorial Day in Poland [229]

Well they didnt try to exterminate us and resettle survivors to Siberia, what conflicts we had were purely political and even then no one tried to annex anyone etc.

Both the Tuetonic Knights and Nazis tried to wipe Poland out completely its only natural that people celebrate Polands survival.