Polonia / Polonia in Germany [59]


Just wanted to ease your pain since it will never be part of Germany ever again. Germans are a dying breed and ongoing population swap will change its mentality forever. I highly doubt that a future German Turk or German Syrian would look with a sentiment at Polish Szczecin or Wroclaw. They just came to Germany to suck on welfare state, to breed and to tranform it into spitting image of middle-east in the future.


Everything which was once established can be disestablished in the future. Life is water not a stone. Meanwhile, it can be used against Germany since most Poles rightfully feel that it is unfair. The main goal would be to make Poles living in Germany to be at least sceptic towards German state. Unpaid war reparations, blocked minority status, enforced immigration from middle-east, agressive LGBT...there's more tools to achieve that than really needed.

Polonia / Polonia in Germany [59]

Actually Poland was bigger before WWII


Polish lands which were formerly within German borders. Forget about those lands ever being "German".


After WWII Germans in Poland deserve nothing. Not after the majority of Polish Germans became volksdeutsche and openly collaborated with Reich against Poland.

In modern Poland were granted those right on a courtesy of Polish government. This may change in the future unless Poles in Germany will get the same rights.

Polonia / Polonia in Germany [59]


Because the vast potential of Polonia wasn't tapped by the government. PiS and most previous government were quite incompetent when it comes to handling Polish diaspora. Konfrederacja is much more focused on that subject. Many Konfederacja delegates have travelled to meet with Polonia around the EU and they also have strong ties with Polish organizations from Kresy [Eastern Borderlands].

All what is needed is to create an effective hubs with strong political - and financial when needed - backup from Polish government. All this can be done with the right people in the government. The power of Polonia was once tested in the past when Polish-American citizens have effectively lobbied for Poland's accession to NATO.

Polonia / Polonia in Germany [59]

What's important is to keep Poles living in Germany strongly connected to Poland and to prevent Germanization of any kind. And to push for a "national minority" status for Poles.

In the future new generations of Poles will project Polish national interest in Germany.

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Those are raw numbers of Polish GDP growth from 1990 to 2004. 2 years on minus directly after the collapse of communism and continues growth since then. Between 1990 and 2004 without any EU funds.

Over 2 million new small companies were registered by Poles within few years after commie-collapse.

Since 1990 Polish economy has grown 9-fold from $66 000 000 to $565 000 000 per capita (according to IMF) - $628 000 000 (World Bank) in 2019


My last post will prove a point then ;-)

News / Polexit? Almost half of the Poles believe that Poland would be better off outside of the EU [548]


Which has happened nevertheless, and not only by wiping but by overtaking the whole branches of economy.
So once Poland has payed all the costs [and most upfront] is now stopped from enjoying all the benefits of true single market once the new wave of Polish companies have started to spread the wings.

News / Polexit? Almost half of the Poles believe that Poland would be better off outside of the EU [548]


No, it doesn't. Nazi-Germans, or simply Germans, were national-socialist and fanatics who wanted to murder everyone who was different than them or perceived as a threat or an obstacle.

Poles don't want to murder anyone but to prosper, live peacefully and to keep Poland free from non-compatible cultures like muslims or anti-civilizational organizations to ruin the country.

And now Germans are again fanatics but this time a fanatics of "tollerance", subverting a natural order wit population swap and cult of all sorts of deviations, and trying to force everyone into following their own vision again. Like I said before, Germans have that "quality" of turning even virtues into vices with their outright fanatism. That's why I perceive Germans as half-savages with well oiled economy and autobahns...

News / Polexit? Almost half of the Poles believe that Poland would be better off outside of the EU [548]

I've always said that Angela Merkel should be somehow appreciated for that 2015 "refugee" crisis. For Germany, and Western Europe in general, it was a disaster but for Poland it was a warning and it opened the eyes for most Poles and it resulted into electing a new PiS government straight away. It also helped to reinvigorate National Movement in Poland and in turn placed Konfederacja in Polish parliament.


There are many traditional and historical differences between us but this one is the most modern and fundamental difference.

A difference between being pro- or anti- traditional European values. A difference between Christian civilisation model and neo-marxist dystopia. I honestly cannot think about more vivid and striking difference than that.

But honestly you will probably reply with something like : "oh, but both our nations like watching football so we are the same" or equally stupid...

History / What is Poles opinion on Intermarium (Międzymorze)? [188]


You found it. We share an idea of a common greater good. Our common greater good is to provide a balanced growth to our countries and economies by connecting them on much more intense level that it is done right now.

And what are the "values" which the EU core has to offer? Not even to offer, which would suggest a free choice, but rather want to enforce on us? An African-muslim multikulti with quotas of "refugees" and LGBT-something anti-civilizational "values",, socialism and neo-marxism. No, those rotten pseudo-values is something which Poles don't share with Germans (or French or Swedes...). Keep all those goodies and those values for yourself.

History / What is Poles opinion on Intermarium (Międzymorze)? [188]


Well, like I said, it is more of a cultural than a genetic background issue.

There's a big difference between Polonized citizen with German descent who was born and raised in Poland and who is Polish and between Germans living in Germany.

History / What is Poles opinion on Intermarium (Międzymorze)? [188]



If your only argument is simple denial of facts then there's no discussion. I can tell that there are deep differences.

I've travelled a lot around the Europe and have found nations, which we share much more similarity with than with Germans. I'm talking about national mentality and similar language, religion down to worldview, art, music, folk traditions...And I'm not even talking about our closest neighbours but even about those which Poland doesn't border with like Croatia.

Sure Poles and Germans are more similar then lets say Poles and Thais or Poles and Chinese but for such as geographically close neighbours we are as different as possible. Even the most deluded "EU enthusiast" in Poland will tell you that.


Yes, the current East-West trade direction monopoly needs to be countered by North-Sought trade routes and economic ties. This will allow the region to grow and to become more economically, and in turn also politically, stable. And once the infrastructure is completed it will remain there for decades to keep CEE well connected in the future.

History / What is Poles opinion on Intermarium (Międzymorze)? [188]


I'm talking about cultural background, religion, worldview and dominant set of values not genetics. There are many Poles with German heritage who are as good as any other Poles.

One of the prominent members of Konfederacjia is a Pole with German heritage Sławomir Mentzen, yet he stand firmly behind Polish national interest. Sure, blood relations matters but it is more of a German obsession to reduce everything to the issue of race.


I rather look up to the future glory of Poland which is within our grasp.

History / What is Poles opinion on Intermarium (Międzymorze)? [188]


This as well but I would place economic our politico-economic relations on the 1st place. For me the biggest issue and greatest challenge lies in effectively breaking the geopolitical concept of mitteleuropa and putting it in historical archives where it belongs for good.

I'm not against the most of the ordinary Germans. Sure, our mentalities and sets of values are different and our nations will probably never be best friends but we can coexist one the right econo-political balance will be introduced between our countries and nations.

On a personal level I do know a few Germans and have a few German colleagues, one of them is even my friend.

History / What is Poles opinion on Intermarium (Międzymorze)? [188]


Who manage quite well? Greece, Italy, Spain? And the sole beneficiary of the eurocurrency are Germany and Netherlands.

When the system is build in a way to benefit one side and to screw the others no amount of 'luck' and hard work will help when the game is rigged. And the next step after such realization is to change it/replace it or at the very least release ourselves from its grip. And that's what the UK done recently.

Poland manages quite well thanks to various factors: no eurocurrency, challenging the most damaging EU rules, high work ethics and incredible entrepreneurship and resilience of the Poles. Half of that potential is wasted on fighting with bureaucratic difficulties and regulations instead of growing and expanding businesses and industrial capabilities.

Without the EU regulations and with truly open and unrestricted euromarket Poland would grow twice as fast.


Yes, and that's why I'm against the future EU membership of Poland in this clerotic socialists club obsessed with regulations. The cons of membership outweight the benefits. And the great vision for Poland is to tap on an undeveloped potential of Central and Eastern Europe and the Balkans.

History / What is Poles opinion on Intermarium (Międzymorze)? [188]

@BratwurstBoy, I forgot how sensitive you are about that subject but there's no easy way to understand the present times without referring to complicated past.

Poland has many things to be proud of and damaging the energy sector with green utopia is not a smart move for us.

All the effort and the money should go to infrastructural projects which will pay a huge divident in the future: highways, expressways and pipelines connecting Poland and Polish ports with CEE and Balkans, new mega airport on the outskirts of Warsaw, modernizing waterways, investing in arms industry. Those are the things which will bring significant value, and a high level of independence, for the economy.

History / What is Poles opinion on Intermarium (Międzymorze)? [188]

Germany is still the biggest coal consumer in the whole EU. And yet, thanks to crafty propaganda there's a notion that Poland occupies the 1st place.

worldometers.info/coal/germany-coal/

In the EU there are two sets or rules: one for herrenvolk and another one which applies to the rest. Thanks to this simple trick Germany can hamper the economies of other EU members with regulations and exclude themselves from the most damaging restrictions at the same time.

independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/angela-merkel-germany-breaks-more-eu-rules-worst-bottom-class-a8198271.html

History / What is Poles opinion on Intermarium (Międzymorze)? [188]


That's a simple fact. But what's more important is that such a role doesn't benefit Poland and Polish economy in the long run. And after realization of that fact the next step would be

delivering a plan and tools for dealing with that issue cause it will not magically go away. It is a structural problem.

PiS has started solving it with regional cooperation but that's as far as they went so far. They are quite content with the auto-component industry solving an issue of possible higher unemployment rates yet hampering possible future growth of Polish industrial power.

They simply don't understand that skilled wortkforce is a commodity just like any other valuable resource. For them it is more like an issue to deal with than an asset which has a potential to build the wealth of the nation. And that's why we need Konfederacja.


Geopolitics is a very serious zero sum game. Learn the rules of the game and play better than anyone else. Germany understood that in the 50's (and Japan in the 60's) and that's why they're now not delivering components for, lets say, French automotive industry...

History / What is Poles opinion on Intermarium (Międzymorze)? [188]


Germany will block foreign takeovers to avoid economy sell-out

reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-germany-fund/germany-will-block-foreign-takeovers-to-avoid-economy-sell-out-idUSKBN21717T


Doesn't have to employ Poles only. The most important factor here is who controls it, where its HQ is based, where does it spend money for R&D and where does it pay taxes.

CD Projekt Red for example is a Polish company based in Warsaw and run by Polish CEO and president which employs multinational specialists. And it is the biggest game developer in Europe. That's the way

kitguru.net/desktop-pc/mustafa-mahmoud/cd-projekt-has-overtaken-ubisoft-to-become-europes-biggest-game-company/

History / What is Poles opinion on Intermarium (Międzymorze)? [188]


Not for multi-national corps. but for Polish companies, own by Polish capital and based in Poland.

The best thing is that this can be done using the same tools and regulations which were operated by Germany to protect its own industry and economy which will shut all the vocal opposition coming from the "EU core". So Germany better buckle up when Konfederacja get more political power in Poland because those are not only my personal view but they are shared by many clear thinking Poles.

History / What is Poles opinion on Intermarium (Międzymorze)? [188]


Like I said before: the profit margin for the final product is always much greater than for components ordered from suppliers. It is a basic economy once you stop thinking in term of wages and salaries and start thinking in terms of profits.

I'll try to explain it to you in more simple terms: let's say you are building a house for sale. A combined cost of materials (profit for components like bricks and cement) and labour (industrial wages and salaries) it is going to be much lower that the final profit from selling the house to the new owner (great profits made from selling to end customer).

History / What is Poles opinion on Intermarium (Międzymorze)? [188]

Hey, this thread is not about kitchen psychology but geopolitics :-)


The solar and wind farms are a dead end. Only water energy is economically rational, but it doesn't produce enough energy in most countries and it's also dependant on the weather. Nuclear is the best source of energy. French were right.


There's a big difference between being paid for labour and making profits from selling final products to end customers.


Strong economy also stands for safety. There's no real safety without strong, independent economy and industrial capability.

History / What is Poles opinion on Intermarium (Międzymorze)? [188]


That's the worst advice ever. Instead of using our won energy sources which we've got in abundance Poland should invest huge amount of money is an energy source which is non-sustainable?

The next step should be nuclear for Poland


That's just great if we want to make sure that they would reap most of the fuits of our labour forever in the future by shipping final products from under German brands. Think economically

History / What is Poles opinion on Intermarium (Międzymorze)? [188]

And I believe that your personal view and the view of German big industry are also different.

History / What is Poles opinion on Intermarium (Międzymorze)? [188]


It also mean two other important things which are major disadvantages for Poland:

first: we would be completely reliant on German economy and industry and in turn we would not have much control over our own economy.

second: as a suppliers of components we would receive much less income that Germany does for shipping a final products which offers the biggest profit margins.


No country is self-sufficient but there's a huge difference in what position one occupy in a global supply chain. It is also worth competing over some highly competitive niches which offer biggest profit margins.


The state is not as effective as a private owner when it comes to managing companies. Entrepreneurs are much better managers than state beaurocrats. Good example is a privately owned WB Electronics* which produce innovative systems for Polish army.

Obviously, just like in the US, the most important players in strategic sectors like energy and military industry have to comply with state rules and cannot make decisions which would stand against the best interest of Poland.

wbgroup.pl/en/wb-electronics/

History / What is Poles opinion on Intermarium (Międzymorze)? [188]

It doesn't have much to do with "old grudges" and a lot to do with future politico-economic subjugation or a full independence of Poland.



In economic terms: to have a fully developed economy - and industrial capability - which is competitive and not complimentary to German economy. An economy in which the most important braches ie. like heavy industry, banking, media, energy proividers are controlled by Polish private capital

History / What is Poles opinion on Intermarium (Międzymorze)? [188]


Because I believe that Germany didn't gave up on its strategic goals but simply changed the tools in order to achieve it in more peaceful way. There's nothing wrong with that - when looking at it from a German perspective - but it's simply against the best interest of Poland. That's why Poland should neutralize that threat and pursue its own strategic goals which are not compatible, and on many level opposite, German long term goals.


Yes. Because for each country it means something different. For Germany "economical stability" means having Central European workforce producing components for German industry. And for Poland economical stability has completely different meaning.

History / What is Poles opinion on Intermarium (Międzymorze)? [188]


They attended because since they cannot stunt the growth of the 3SI backed by the US at least they would like to have some say or, at bare minimum, be able to observe it from within. That's a compliment to German pragmatic mentality. Maybe to want to wait it out, in hope of political changes in the US, or to slow it down if possible? Maybe to try to push it in different direction? That's why Germany should remain an observer and not a member of 3SI.

Army has tought me one important thing: try to think like your enemy. What would you do and how would you react? And obviosly the most important question: where, and how, would you strike to deal your enemy the maximum amount of damage with the least amount of losses on your side.

So I often put myself in my adversory shous to be able to understand the situation better.

OK, I'm not saying that Germany is our enemy per se, but both our countries have different political and economical interests and geopolitical goals which are incompatible, especially in the long run. So the clash of interests is inevitable and long as Poland will pursue its ambitious goals.

History / What is Poles opinion on Intermarium (Międzymorze)? [188]


3 Seas Innitiative is perceived as a threat by Germany and Russia alike so I expect there will be a lot of opposition and obstacles to solve before it becomes a reality.

The positive thing is that it is supported not only by Poland but also by the US who seek to introduce an econo-political balance in Central Europe, especially in face of US skepticism in a continental part of Western Europe. It is important because, at this moment, Poland alone is too weak to fend off Germany and also Russia who are against this project.

Sovereignty is not some abstract idea but a sum of an economical, political, cultural, demographic and military power. And all of that is possible because of strength which let all other things in life to flourish. Geopolitical projects such as 3SI and V4 add up to strength and sovereigthy of Poland.

News / Presidential elections 2020 - your opinions about campaign, candidates [2222]


And yet just 2 months ago Kosianiak-Kamysz was on the rise and considered to be a Duda-eater...It means nothing. If 'Czerska' and TVN change the direction and shout "all aboard Trzaskowski's train" most lemmings will follow and Holownia will tank.


Yes, theoretically. Yet he is supported mostly by POKO electorate who coulnd't stand Kidawa-Blonska. An LGBT friendly "progressive" Trzaskowski will be more natural option for them to vote for.

News / Presidential elections 2020 - your opinions about campaign, candidates [2222]


Holownia will be the first to be consumed by POKO and Trzaskowski. Trzaskowski, before he even get to Duda, has to beat the closest competition around him since they're sharing a similar electorate. It's going be be a civil war among "total opposition"

Krzysztof Bosak is safe from those attacks since he gather up a conservative, entrepreneurial and right-wing electorate which is disilusioned with PiS and would never trust Holownia (who is backed by general Miroslaw Rozanski btw.) in the first place.