SeanBM
28 Sep 2010
Life / Stubborn Polaks, anyone knows? [77]
I know one but I can never get him to admit it.
Anyone knows of a stubborn Pole?
I know one but I can never get him to admit it.
SeanBM
28 Sep 2010
USA, Canada / Why are Polish Americans mocked in the American media? [226]
You think human trafficking is the answer to everything ;)
You think human trafficking is the answer to everything ;)
SeanBM
28 Sep 2010
USA, Canada / Why are Polish Americans mocked in the American media? [226]
That's outrageous!
We have to do something to stop this but what? :)
To my knowledge they are not.
If you don't produce any evidence of this, I will be lead to believe you are a troll.
Most Americans will probably go through life without ever having consciously known a Pole.
That's outrageous!
We have to do something to stop this but what? :)
Why are Polish Americans mocked in the american media?
To my knowledge they are not.
If you don't produce any evidence of this, I will be lead to believe you are a troll.
SeanBM
27 Sep 2010
History / Should David Irving, Holocaust denier, be allowed to run tours to Poland? [246]
No problem, I am against the war because I don't think anyone should have to die.
I did right that a good soldier carries out his orders, I can't blame good soldiers.
I hold the governments totally responsible.
Edit*
Wait a sec, perhaps I was not clear on a post
I hate when people being killed are refereed to as 'incidents' and I see now that this post could be interrupted as if I would want to see people dead.
But you will just have to take my word for it and excuse my poor communication skills.
That is just class :)
No problem, I am against the war because I don't think anyone should have to die.
I did right that a good soldier carries out his orders, I can't blame good soldiers.
I hold the governments totally responsible.
Edit*
Wait a sec, perhaps I was not clear on a post
Marek11111:
"A US-led Polish soldier has been killed in a roadside bomb blast in eastern Afghanistan, amid an increase in the number of such incidents in the country.
"A US-led Polish soldier has been killed in a roadside bomb blast in eastern Afghanistan, amid an increase in the number of such incidents in the country.
I hate when people being killed are refereed to as 'incidents' and I see now that this post could be interrupted as if I would want to see people dead.
But you will just have to take my word for it and excuse my poor communication skills.
Historian denies existence of Holocaust-denier David Irving
That is just class :)
SeanBM
27 Sep 2010
History / Should David Irving, Holocaust denier, be allowed to run tours to Poland? [246]
That must have been someone else, I certainly said no such thing.
I have posted about Poland, Afghanistan and Iraq and I am against the war BUT I never said anyone deserved to die.
What was that you said about brain washing?
And what has that got to do with this thread anyway?
I seem to remember you saying that soldiers who died in Iraq and Afghanistan had it coming to them.
That must have been someone else, I certainly said no such thing.
I have posted about Poland, Afghanistan and Iraq and I am against the war BUT I never said anyone deserved to die.
What was that you said about brain washing?
And what has that got to do with this thread anyway?
SeanBM
25 Sep 2010
History / Should David Irving, Holocaust denier, be allowed to run tours to Poland? [246]
5 minutes might be too late, you know what I mean, this is about organised hate crime not a few lads egging your house.
Yes and what else? you big sissy :)
Hmmm... I think I wouldn't like to see your lawyer after all.
You call the police and after 5 minutes all is over...
5 minutes might be too late, you know what I mean, this is about organised hate crime not a few lads egging your house.
For kidnapping and torturing poor little helmets (and their wearers)
Yes and what else? you big sissy :)
Mine has hair on her chest!
Hmmm... I think I wouldn't like to see your lawyer after all.
SeanBM
25 Sep 2010
History / Should David Irving, Holocaust denier, be allowed to run tours to Poland? [246]
How would you prevent an extremist rally congregating on your front lawn?
My lawyer is bigger than yours and would kick your lawyer's ass.
So BB, why do we have moderators on PF?
And the Hate-speech-law is telling me that???
How would you prevent an extremist rally congregating on your front lawn?
Okay...I'm leaving now before you are calling me a thickheaded stupid and I call my lawyer!
My lawyer is bigger than yours and would kick your lawyer's ass.
So BB, why do we have moderators on PF?
SeanBM
25 Sep 2010
History / Should David Irving, Holocaust denier, be allowed to run tours to Poland? [246]
I don't think that was the point.
Third time's a charm:)
I am saying, you are a member of society and with that you have the right to exist and have your own identity and thoughts, without being in fear of your life.
This thing with the kids has nothing to do with fear of being killed or anything really that I would care about. In fact this type of censorship is what I was told communism was like and is an infringement to our rights, in my opinion.
I don't think that was the point.
Third time's a charm:)
I am saying, you are a member of society and with that you have the right to exist and have your own identity and thoughts, without being in fear of your life.
This thing with the kids has nothing to do with fear of being killed or anything really that I would care about. In fact this type of censorship is what I was told communism was like and is an infringement to our rights, in my opinion.
SeanBM
25 Sep 2010
History / Should David Irving, Holocaust denier, be allowed to run tours to Poland? [246]
It's a different law.
It's a different law.
SeanBM
25 Sep 2010
History / Should David Irving, Holocaust denier, be allowed to run tours to Poland? [246]
That's not holocaust denial to incitement to riot, that's a load of crap.
We are not talking about the same thing any more, this has gone in to censorship, which I am against as it serves no purpose within a society to mess with kids in this way.
It is not the same law at all.
While on fire, no doubt :)
report children as young as three to the authorities
That's not holocaust denial to incitement to riot, that's a load of crap.
That's exactly what I meant Seanie!
We are not talking about the same thing any more, this has gone in to censorship, which I am against as it serves no purpose within a society to mess with kids in this way.
It get's abused far to much...and does this law really stop people from bullying others verbally? I don't think so...
Best thing is till to give back as good as you get!
Best thing is till to give back as good as you get!
It is not the same law at all.
...and I would have told them what I think of them VERY explicitely!!!
While on fire, no doubt :)
SeanBM
25 Sep 2010
History / Should David Irving, Holocaust denier, be allowed to run tours to Poland? [246]
Good question.
I am using the word extremists, as I think that sums up pretty much anyone who would like to cause harm.
I am not saying that things can't get messy, that such laws couldn't be manipulated to suit an extremist political group to quieten their opposition.
But what I am saying is you are a member of society and with that you have the right to exist and have your own identity and thoughts, without being in fear of your life.
I think you are romanticising the past far far too much.
The main reason they probably didn't need hate speech laws is because they would have just burnt you at the stake for being a witch.
I wonder why commie speak never features here.
Good question.
.Commies killed many more people than Nazis but it's somehow always the neo-nazis who have to be kept under observation...and by whom?
I am using the word extremists, as I think that sums up pretty much anyone who would like to cause harm.
and by whom?
I am not saying that things can't get messy, that such laws couldn't be manipulated to suit an extremist political group to quieten their opposition.
But what I am saying is you are a member of society and with that you have the right to exist and have your own identity and thoughts, without being in fear of your life.
Get real, how can you harm other people through talking!!!
They weren't harmed during the last millenias but during the last 20 years they suddenly started
to drop down dead???
They weren't harmed during the last millenias but during the last 20 years they suddenly started
to drop down dead???
I think you are romanticising the past far far too much.
The main reason they probably didn't need hate speech laws is because they would have just burnt you at the stake for being a witch.
SeanBM
25 Sep 2010
History / Should David Irving, Holocaust denier, be allowed to run tours to Poland? [246]
I would say no, you don't.
Not if it is geared towards hate, you are a member of society and with that you have the right to exist and have your own identity and thoughts, without being in fear of your life.
No, I don't, I see a problem with brain washing people in to hating others.
I am not talking about disliking, I am talking about going out and killing others.
I would not like to see any extremist movement rallying down the road from me, inciting hatred and watching the sub-sequential aftermath.
I have to accept it from our dear muslims too, haven't I?
I would say no, you don't.
Not if it is geared towards hate, you are a member of society and with that you have the right to exist and have your own identity and thoughts, without being in fear of your life.
The only ones who needed "laws" controlling speeches and thoughts had been dictatorships, don't you get this?
No, I don't, I see a problem with brain washing people in to hating others.
I am not talking about disliking, I am talking about going out and killing others.
I would not like to see any extremist movement rallying down the road from me, inciting hatred and watching the sub-sequential aftermath.
SeanBM
25 Sep 2010
History / Should David Irving, Holocaust denier, be allowed to run tours to Poland? [246]
Incitement to riot.
Okay, so you see no case where people's words leads to actions leads to harm?
You are okay to have extremist rallies promoting hate?
Get real, how can you harm other people through talking!!!
Incitement to riot.
Okay, so you see no case where people's words leads to actions leads to harm?
You are okay to have extremist rallies promoting hate?
SeanBM
25 Sep 2010
History / Should David Irving, Holocaust denier, be allowed to run tours to Poland? [246]
If we try to harm other people, then yes.
Same as we have to watch our actions, you can't go around punching people in the face, now can you?
Isn't this how Hitler started off, by giving hate speeches in bars?
So what if the few neo's and the muslim extremist use hate speech (they do it anyhow)?
Is it worth that we have to watch everything we say?
Is it worth that we have to watch everything we say?
If we try to harm other people, then yes.
Same as we have to watch our actions, you can't go around punching people in the face, now can you?
Isn't this how Hitler started off, by giving hate speeches in bars?
SeanBM
25 Sep 2010
History / Should David Irving, Holocaust denier, be allowed to run tours to Poland? [246]
No fair, I meant from links to wiki not what I think hate speech is...
I agree to a degree, arresting guys like Irvin makes him a martyr which is probably the worst thing you could do.
But an eye has to be kept on Neo-Nazis and Extremist Muslims (especially for you DZ) to make sure they don't go around killing or destroying people.
It is also a fair point to bring a discussion about 'censorship' in to this but I think it has more to do with incitement to hatred and causing a violent reaction in people, rather than much else.
I told you he was a dictator.... ;-)
No fair, I meant from links to wiki not what I think hate speech is...
I doubt forbidding "hate speech" will be anymore successful.
I agree to a degree, arresting guys like Irvin makes him a martyr which is probably the worst thing you could do.
But an eye has to be kept on Neo-Nazis and Extremist Muslims (especially for you DZ) to make sure they don't go around killing or destroying people.
censorship
It is also a fair point to bring a discussion about 'censorship' in to this but I think it has more to do with incitement to hatred and causing a violent reaction in people, rather than much else.
SeanBM
25 Sep 2010
History / Should David Irving, Holocaust denier, be allowed to run tours to Poland? [246]
In fairness, that was a prudent precaution, had this measure been taken after the first world war, perhaps we wouldn't have had a second, well that might be a but too optimistic but at least not a second so quickly.
I think the idea is that people don't incite hanging posies and take the law in to their own hands.
We started out occupied under surveillance of the occupying powers.
In fairness, that was a prudent precaution, had this measure been taken after the first world war, perhaps we wouldn't have had a second, well that might be a but too optimistic but at least not a second so quickly.
But "Hate Speech" is a kind of new western concept...stemming from those countries who actually did everything to fight the Nazis.
I think the idea is that people don't incite hanging posies and take the law in to their own hands.
SeanBM
25 Sep 2010
History / Should David Irving, Holocaust denier, be allowed to run tours to Poland? [246]
Here's the part for Germany
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_against_Holocaust_denial#Germany
It seems you Germans have the biggest section in Wiki about Laws against Holocaust denial.
Here's the part for Germany
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_against_Holocaust_denial#Germany
It seems you Germans have the biggest section in Wiki about Laws against Holocaust denial.
SeanBM
25 Sep 2010
History / Should David Irving, Holocaust denier, be allowed to run tours to Poland? [246]
Jeez BB, read through the thread, I have posted all over this thread about what is accepted as hate speech.
Here we go again...
Wot???
What is hate speech and who decides it?
When I say "I hate terrorist islamists" is that Hate Speech???
When Irving tries to proof that the Holocaust isn't what the main stream thinks it is is that Hate speech???
What is hate speech and who decides it?
When I say "I hate terrorist islamists" is that Hate Speech???
When Irving tries to proof that the Holocaust isn't what the main stream thinks it is is that Hate speech???
Jeez BB, read through the thread, I have posted all over this thread about what is accepted as hate speech.
Where does it start and where does it end? "Hate speech" is just another leftie concept the world doesn't need!
Here we go again...
SeanBM
25 Sep 2010
History / Should David Irving, Holocaust denier, be allowed to run tours to Poland? [246]
When an extremist Muslim preaches hate, absolutely but not all Muslims do this.
Like not all authors are holocaust deniers.
this makes both Irving, AND islam illegal!
I can live with that!
I can live with that!
When an extremist Muslim preaches hate, absolutely but not all Muslims do this.
Like not all authors are holocaust deniers.
SeanBM
25 Sep 2010
History / Should David Irving, Holocaust denier, be allowed to run tours to Poland? [246]
I suggest taking a look at your own hypocrisies.
You are again just talking around the issue, using Muslims as scapegoats, blaming PC, lefties on not saying enough against racist attacks from extremist Muslims, well this thread is not about that and continuing to mask the topic says a lot about you.
You are saying ALL Muslims do not want freedom of speech, that's a lie.
No, hate speech is illegal for a reason.
"In January 1990, Irving gave a speech in Moers where he asserted that only 30,000 people died at Auschwitz between 1940-45, all of natural causes, which was equal-so he claimed-to the typical death toll from one Bomber Command raid on German cities.[106] Furthermore, Irving claimed that there were no gas chambers at that death camp.[106] In that speech, Irving said: "I say the following thing: there were no gas chambers in Auschwitz. There have been only mock-ups built by the Poles in the years after the war""
Wiki
All hate speech is illegalfor a very good reason but you are a right wing nut, so you only have a problem with Muslims making hate speeches, go figure.
It's this double standard and hypocrisy that I'm out to understand.
I suggest taking a look at your own hypocrisies.
You are again just talking around the issue, using Muslims as scapegoats, blaming PC, lefties on not saying enough against racist attacks from extremist Muslims, well this thread is not about that and continuing to mask the topic says a lot about you.
You on the other hand, seem not to have any problems with this logic.
You are saying ALL Muslims do not want freedom of speech, that's a lie.
would you allow David Irving to have guided tours in Auschwitz, unsupervised?
No, hate speech is illegal for a reason.
Would you allow him to hold speeches at hotels, conference halls and in public, in which he debates the holocaust?
"In January 1990, Irving gave a speech in Moers where he asserted that only 30,000 people died at Auschwitz between 1940-45, all of natural causes, which was equal-so he claimed-to the typical death toll from one Bomber Command raid on German cities.[106] Furthermore, Irving claimed that there were no gas chambers at that death camp.[106] In that speech, Irving said: "I say the following thing: there were no gas chambers in Auschwitz. There have been only mock-ups built by the Poles in the years after the war""
Wiki
All hate speech is illegalfor a very good reason but you are a right wing nut, so you only have a problem with Muslims making hate speeches, go figure.
SeanBM
25 Sep 2010
History / Should David Irving, Holocaust denier, be allowed to run tours to Poland? [246]
Dictator? What are you on?
You go on long off topic rants blaming 'lefties', PC, on not allowing freedom of speech.
I have shown you have limits to freedom of speech, all you have illustrated is which hate speech you approve of.
Now we are talking about a Holocaust denier and all you seem to be doing is circumventing the topic of the thread and pointing fingers at Muslims.
But of course, it's easy for you to now use this an excuse not to actually have an opinion on this matter. And hey, who made you the dictator?
Dictator? What are you on?
although my comment was meant to illustrate that people who usually want to ban right wing opinion, usually have no problem letting violent and extreme muslims to have their say.
You go on long off topic rants blaming 'lefties', PC, on not allowing freedom of speech.
I have shown you have limits to freedom of speech, all you have illustrated is which hate speech you approve of.
Now we are talking about a Holocaust denier and all you seem to be doing is circumventing the topic of the thread and pointing fingers at Muslims.
SeanBM
25 Sep 2010
History / Should David Irving, Holocaust denier, be allowed to run tours to Poland? [246]
This was said about communists.
And neither does David Irving.
DariuszTelka, you have done very well so far in distracting everyone's attention, this thread is about Should David Irving, Holocaust denier, be allowed to run tours to Poland? and you are just saying Muslims are worse, as if this has any bearing on the situation, it clearly doesn't.
Again another distraction, David Irving is changing our history yet you defend him, now why is that?
To summarise:
So German Nazis set up death camps and tried to commit genocide, for which David is lying about what happened and some how, you are shouting about Muslims... How they are worse and everyone should leave poor old David alone to reinvent history and preach hate.
Nope, this kind of derailing of the topic is not going to work with me.
How can you argue freedom of speech for someone who doesn't want it for you?
This was said about communists.
Yes, because muslims do not share our values of democracy, freedom of speech, equality among the sexes, accepting homosexuality and that children have rights too.
And neither does David Irving.
DariuszTelka, you have done very well so far in distracting everyone's attention, this thread is about Should David Irving, Holocaust denier, be allowed to run tours to Poland? and you are just saying Muslims are worse, as if this has any bearing on the situation, it clearly doesn't.
Do you want to exchange your peoples' history, culture and heritage with theirs?
Again another distraction, David Irving is changing our history yet you defend him, now why is that?
To summarise:
So German Nazis set up death camps and tried to commit genocide, for which David is lying about what happened and some how, you are shouting about Muslims... How they are worse and everyone should leave poor old David alone to reinvent history and preach hate.
Nope, this kind of derailing of the topic is not going to work with me.
SeanBM
25 Sep 2010
History / Should David Irving, Holocaust denier, be allowed to run tours to Poland? [246]
So that is actually a 'NO' then.
Basically you are admitting that when you don't like the hate speech, then and only then there should not be freedom of speech.
You say no to a the mosque built/rebuilt/allowed to be built near Ground Zero, and then fight for Irving to speak/walk around freely in Auschwitz.
And calling all Muslims terrorists, "Death cult"you do without blinking an eye, there is a whiff of hypocrisy off you.
I agree but like you, only to an extent. That is what in fact you are saying, that you would like freedom of speech but no Muslims in Europe to be able to speak.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech#United_States - United States Hate Speech laws
Yes of course there is, one is changing history about which you approve of and the other is about changing history which you disapprove of.
Tell us all again about how a holocaust denier is in the right while Muslims should shut up and leave Europe.
We are trying to have a discussion, this is just a stupid comment.
This is a pitiful ''cry of persecution''.
So you think DariuszTelka is right about poor little David Irving, Holocaust denier?
You have changed your tune.
This is about hate, read the title of the thread, DariuszTelka is only interested in ''saving'' those who he agrees with, in this case a hateful holocaust denier.
Pointing the fingers at Muslims has NOTHING to do with what Irvine is doing, it is just a distraction.
"Look at the baby eating Muslims and leave poor old Irvine alone", one has nothing to do with the other.
Pointing the finger at the PC thing is also just a distraction, no to Irvine, yes to a renovation of a prayer house.
Yes to poor little Irvine no to big baby eating Muslims in Europe being able to speak.
Yes, of course. In their own country. Not in Europe.
So that is actually a 'NO' then.
Basically you are admitting that when you don't like the hate speech, then and only then there should not be freedom of speech.
You say no to a the mosque built/rebuilt/allowed to be built near Ground Zero, and then fight for Irving to speak/walk around freely in Auschwitz.
So, calling them "Polish", as in that they represent the real Poland, is something I would argue about.
And calling all Muslims terrorists, "Death cult"you do without blinking an eye, there is a whiff of hypocrisy off you.
For Europeans I would love it if we had the first amendment of the U.S...
I agree but like you, only to an extent. That is what in fact you are saying, that you would like freedom of speech but no Muslims in Europe to be able to speak.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech#United_States - United States Hate Speech laws
There is a difference of Europeans debating about historic facts/myths and allowing a death cult to establish itself amongst us.
Yes of course there is, one is changing history about which you approve of and the other is about changing history which you disapprove of.
Tell us all again about how a holocaust denier is in the right while Muslims should shut up and leave Europe.
Only "we" Europeans can be racist, not the non-Europeans. They have NEVER been racist, started ANY wars, conquered ANY land or have NEVER enslaved ANYONE in their whole existence! Only whitey did these things. People actually believe this.
We are trying to have a discussion, this is just a stupid comment.
This is a pitiful ''cry of persecution''.
Indeed, PC to silence their critics
So you think DariuszTelka is right about poor little David Irving, Holocaust denier?
You have changed your tune.
This is about hate, read the title of the thread, DariuszTelka is only interested in ''saving'' those who he agrees with, in this case a hateful holocaust denier.
Pointing the fingers at Muslims has NOTHING to do with what Irvine is doing, it is just a distraction.
"Look at the baby eating Muslims and leave poor old Irvine alone", one has nothing to do with the other.
Pointing the finger at the PC thing is also just a distraction, no to Irvine, yes to a renovation of a prayer house.
Yes to poor little Irvine no to big baby eating Muslims in Europe being able to speak.
SeanBM
24 Sep 2010
History / Should David Irving, Holocaust denier, be allowed to run tours to Poland? [246]
Given your argument, would you "allow" free speech of the minority of extremist Muslims who hate the "West"?
Or does your attitude change when the person is not a holocaust denier?
This is a disgrace. To deny people freedom of movement or speech in 2010 is just plain sick. Whatever he said or did. He paid his price in court, and he did his time in jail. It's the same thing for the mosque in New York, the same people who defend building the mosque in New York, are the same people who would ban or "closely monitor" David Irving in Auschwitz.
Given your argument, would you "allow" free speech of the minority of extremist Muslims who hate the "West"?
Or does your attitude change when the person is not a holocaust denier?
SeanBM
23 Sep 2010
History / Should David Irving, Holocaust denier, be allowed to run tours to Poland? [246]
Prove it and I will consider reading the rest of your post.
the same people who defend building the mosque in New York, are the same people who would ban or "closely monitor" David Irving in Auschwitz.
Prove it and I will consider reading the rest of your post.
SeanBM
21 Sep 2010
Life / Why Polish people should be proud of being Polish? [370]
Why should anyone be proud of where they are from? because it gives them a sense of belonging.
No country would exist if there weren't things to be proud of.
I think a very interesting look at an aspect of pride in a country was explored in the Polish historical myths - to break or not to break them? thread, if anyone is interested.
Why Polish people should be proud of being Polish?
Why should anyone be proud of where they are from? because it gives them a sense of belonging.
No country would exist if there weren't things to be proud of.
I think a very interesting look at an aspect of pride in a country was explored in the Polish historical myths - to break or not to break them? thread, if anyone is interested.
SeanBM
19 Sep 2010
USA, Canada / Poles and Americans, what do you think, are we friends or enemies? [187]
Poland and the U.S. are definitely friends.
The CIA recently had Black sites here in Poland.
This forum is not always a full reflection of Poland. What specifically makes you think that it doesn't look that way?
Poles and Americans, what do you think, are we rather friends or enemies?
Poland and the U.S. are definitely friends.
The CIA recently had Black sites here in Poland.
observing this forum unfortunately it doesn't look like it.
This forum is not always a full reflection of Poland. What specifically makes you think that it doesn't look that way?
SeanBM
16 Sep 2010
History / Should David Irving, Holocaust denier, be allowed to run tours to Poland? [246]
I don't think this guy knows much else apart from hate.
I can see why some members of this forum would like him but I doubt if even they'll fork out the cash for his special tour.
But here is something he should know (probably does and needs the attention):
"He who publicly and contrary to facts contradicts the crimes mentioned in Article 1, clause 1 shall be subject to a fine or a penalty of deprivation of liberty of up to three years. The judgment shall be made publicly known."
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_against_Holocaust_denial#Poland
and
"the European Union has issued a directive to combat racism and xenophobia, which makes provision for member states criminalising Holocaust denial, with a maximum prison sentence of between one and three years."
he has categorically denied hating Jews in the past.
I don't think this guy knows much else apart from hate.
I can see why some members of this forum would like him but I doubt if even they'll fork out the cash for his special tour.
But here is something he should know (probably does and needs the attention):
"He who publicly and contrary to facts contradicts the crimes mentioned in Article 1, clause 1 shall be subject to a fine or a penalty of deprivation of liberty of up to three years. The judgment shall be made publicly known."
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_against_Holocaust_denial#Poland
and
"the European Union has issued a directive to combat racism and xenophobia, which makes provision for member states criminalising Holocaust denial, with a maximum prison sentence of between one and three years."
SeanBM
16 Sep 2010
History / Should David Irving, Holocaust denier, be allowed to run tours to Poland? [246]
He don't like'em
youtu.be/0rBCst4hph0
He don't like'em
youtu.be/0rBCst4hph0
SeanBM
16 Sep 2010
History / Should David Irving, Holocaust denier, be allowed to run tours to Poland? [246]
So tell us all, what is your truth?
We are fed up with the truth defended by police and courts.
So tell us all, what is your truth?