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Bratwurst Boy   
25 Sep 2010
History / Should David Irving, Holocaust denier, be allowed to run tours to Poland? [246]

Here's the part about for Germany

Thank you...but Germany doesn't count!
We started out occupied under surveillance of the occupying powers...most of these kind of law had to to with the de-Nazification in the West and with the Communization in the East.

The following govs never changed them, they only rephrased and adapted them.
Freedom of speech in Germany died with the Weimar Republic.

But "Hate Speech" is a kind of new western concept...stemming from those countries who actually did everything to fight the Nazis and their censorship..wonders never cease.
Bratwurst Boy   
25 Sep 2010
History / Should David Irving, Holocaust denier, be allowed to run tours to Poland? [246]

All hate speech is illegal

Wot???
What is hate speech and who decides it?
When I say "I hate terrorist islamists" is that Hate Speech???
When Irving tries to proof that the Holocaust isn't what the main stream thinks it is is that Hate speech???

Where does it start and where does it end? "Hate speech" is just another leftie concept the world doesn't need!
Bratwurst Boy   
24 Sep 2010
History / Should David Irving, Holocaust denier, be allowed to run tours to Poland? [246]

Hiwis...a bit of everything!
/wiki/Hiwi_(volunteer)

...Russians in the German Army can be put into three groups:

* First: Soldiers mobilized by German troops, so-called Cossack sections, attached to German divisions.

* Second: Voluntary Assistants (Hilfswillige) - Local civilians or Russian prisoners who volunteer or Red Army soldiers who desert to join the Germans. These wear full German uniform with their own ranks and badges. They eat like German soldiers and they are attached to German regiments.

* Third: Russian prisoners doing the dirty jobs, kitchens, stables and so on.

...then there were the Osttruppen:
/wiki/Ostbataillonen

...
Ostlegionen (literally "Eastern Legions") or Osttruppen ("Eastern Troops") were conscripts and volunteers from the occupied eastern territories recruited into the German Army of the Third Reich during the Second World War.

The staff of the disbanded 162nd Infantry Division in Poland was charged with the raising and training of the six Eastern Legions. It eventually raised and trained 82 battalions. A total of 98 battalions were raised with 80 serving on the Eastern Front and in the Balkans. 12 were later transferred to France and Italy in 1943.

A true european army!

...
the German Sixth Army at Stalingrad, where they added up to about 25% (50,000) of the front-line strength. Some German divisions had a higher ratio-for example, the 71st and 76th Infantry had parity between German and "Hiwi" manpower.[1]

Bratwurst Boy   
23 Sep 2010
Life / Why Polish people should be proud of being Polish? [370]

Why do you hate Poles so much? Why are you still here? Don't you have any better things to do?!

WOT???

Have you ever done anything to change it?!

Hey...I'm since 10,980 posts the main ambassador of Germany in often enough hostile polish territory!
I'm the number one contact person to discuss polish-german topics and to present the german side of the arguments and to negotiate understanding and compromises (mostly that is).

What have YOU done????

PS: Either the Poles have mellowed or I have...I remember the PF of my youth very much more aggressive and combat ready against everything german than today...hmmm...
Bratwurst Boy   
23 Sep 2010
Life / Why Polish people should be proud of being Polish? [370]

I agree that Poles can and should be proud of being polish, of polish history, of polish achievements...buuuut...what is this "especially polish thing"?

What makes you different to others??? You know...Germans the mechanics...French the cooks...Italians the lovers...Polish the...?
Bratwurst Boy   
23 Sep 2010
Life / Why Polish people should be proud of being Polish? [370]

*believe it or not - I've never stolen a car in my life! :)*

Aha...you are the one!

Besides - we are, on average, more intelligent, more honest, more handsome and spritually and morally superior to any other nation in the world (and that of course doesn't arouse warm feelings towards us in all those lesser nations).

Yeah...wishful thinking and all that but seriously now...

PS: And we are so much more handsome!!!! But believe it or not Germans suffer some bad stereotypes too...fat, hairy (the women), dour, humourless, arrogant...I wonder where they got that from..must be that mean polish propaganda! :(
Bratwurst Boy   
23 Sep 2010
Life / Why Polish people should be proud of being Polish? [370]

Why?

Honestly...most people have no idea about the grande time of the Polish/Lithuanian empire and the Szlachta and all that.

Modern people remember Poland as either partitioned (if they are interested in central european history that is) or occupied or commie...nothing of which speaks especially of freedom.

That many international Jews still hold a grudge against Poland beaten only by their grudge against Germany doesn't help either...nor does the millions of Poles EMMIGRATING from Poland away into the land of the free (the US and others) strengthen the impression that Poland is a country of freedom and tolerance itself.

Just my two pfennigs..
Bratwurst Boy   
23 Sep 2010
Life / Why Polish people should be proud of being Polish? [370]

don't forget leader-hose and yodeling ;)

*ignores that*

But we are not talking about national stereotypes here, BB.

I know...I just wanted to make it more clear what my question was about.
Bratwurst Boy   
23 Sep 2010
Life / Why Polish people should be proud of being Polish? [370]

That is uniquely polish???
Poland the "Land of the Free"??? ;)

Nah...don't think so....gimme something else..

Look I don't want to rouse a stink (honestly) but it's a question Germans ask themselves too and most other people do so too...

I for one find most stereotypes about Germans more or less fitting...and when they picture Germans as beer drinking, Bratwurst/Sauerkraut eating, meticulous, diligent, determined, philosophical mechanics I like that...that is something especially german I think (even as we have also a world to offer regarding music, art and literature).

(Not to forget that Nazi thing)
These stereotype is used the world over when people speak about Germans...so I think it could be seen as especially german.

So...what is this especially polish thing?
Bratwurst Boy   
23 Sep 2010
Life / Why Polish people should be proud of being Polish? [370]

“The soul of Poland is indestructible... she will rise again like a rock, which may for a spell be submerged by a tidal wave, but which remains a rock.” Sir Winston Churchill, Speech to the House of Commons, 1939

Erm...a nice quote and I'm sure you can find nice quotes about ANY country..so really...what does Poland stand for that is especially polish?
Bratwurst Boy   
17 Sep 2010
History / Should David Irving, Holocaust denier, be allowed to run tours to Poland? [246]

Interesting...I had no idea...

spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,716216,00.html

A Critical Look at Simon Wiesenthal

Examining the Legacy of the Nazi Hunter

Until his death in 2005, Simon Wiesenthal was the world's best-known Nazi hunter. But a new biography finds fault with the way he pursued his quarry and asks whether his "soaring ego" and "tendency to fantasize" actually got in the way of his mission.

I really thought he got some...

...It is practically impossible to verify whether Wiesenthal truly brought 1,100 war criminals to justice, as he himself claimed. He was always more of a PR man than a serious investigator -- perhaps his primary service to a society determined to forget the past.

Bratwurst Boy   
16 Sep 2010
History / Should David Irving, Holocaust denier, be allowed to run tours to Poland? [246]

I think, that even if he is biased, he is quite honest in his quest.

He sacrificed EVERYTHING on his quest....his name, his success, his money...he is practically fighting the whole world for years and he is dead serious about it, even his adversarys should acknowledge that!
Bratwurst Boy   
16 Sep 2010
History / Should David Irving, Holocaust denier, be allowed to run tours to Poland? [246]

In general, his hobby costs him money.

He has gone broke after his trial, hasn't he?

I wonder why he still does "it"...he was a renowned historian once...his book about Hitler and the third Reich had been a classic...then he chose the Holocaust as his next topic...and all went downhill for him since then.

Pariah in the historian community...trialed....broke...jailed...for decades now and still not giving up...like obsessed.

*shakes head*
Bratwurst Boy   
16 Sep 2010
History / Should David Irving, Holocaust denier, be allowed to run tours to Poland? [246]

I don't consider it a right to present to others one's warped, ideologically driven views as factual history.

But who is telling you what is warped and what is factual history?
Even as they burned Bruno the people then still fully believed the Earth is flat...

Yes I'm using Bruno with purpose to show that revisionism is as research is totally independent
from those who actually do it ...even as Irving is wrong with it's theories it is irrelevant to the neutral fact of research!
Bratwurst Boy   
16 Sep 2010
History / Should David Irving, Holocaust denier, be allowed to run tours to Poland? [246]

I disagree. Motive matters. And more often than not it predicates outcome. Therefore context is everything.

Well...the main motive for any revisionist would be to find out more about an event...maybe even finding new facts...solving more puzzles...isn't that was historians do?

After all who wants to read those big books whith only the same old stuff innit...

You know....I always compare that to my schooling in communist GDR...revisionism was forbidden.
The official narrative was the one and only allowed...dissidents where shunned or shot.
Still they lost and their story was shown to be one big lie anyhow.

I don't have to take that crap now either.

What revisionists think they found out is a matter of discussion...I don't care...but the fact that revisionism is part of our science and necessary is just that, a fact.
Bratwurst Boy   
16 Sep 2010
History / Should David Irving, Holocaust denier, be allowed to run tours to Poland? [246]

Saying that revisionism is a good thing when not knowing in what context you are talking about is silly.

Not silly!

I don't like that most people raise automatically their eyebrows if they hear only the word "revisionism" or that labeling someone "revisionist" is meant to be something bad, something despicable.

Without revisionism there would never have been any progress in any science at all...yes also in history!

So even labeling Irving as a revisionist means zilch...especially not as a derogatory comment.
His theories are another matter alltogether and up to criticism or ignorance (as with me) for everybody!
Bratwurst Boy   
16 Sep 2010
History / Should David Irving, Holocaust denier, be allowed to run tours to Poland? [246]

See the definition of Holocaust denial. Methods and extent.

That one?

Holocaust denial consists of claims that the genocide of Jews during World War II—usually referred to as the Holocaust[1]—did not occur at all, or that it did not happen in the manner or to the extent historically recognized.

And visiting the place where that happened would help support the denial how exactly?

*goes googling*
Bratwurst Boy   
16 Sep 2010
History / Should David Irving, Holocaust denier, be allowed to run tours to Poland? [246]

Yes there is.

No it isn't!

If new facts are found our evaluation of our knowledge of events needs to be revised...revisionism is actually needed and happens everywhere all the time..nothing inherently bad about it!

Only if the corrections are correct of course but that is the duty of the scientists and historians.