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I don't think banning symbols and certain topics is a good thing either.
But the allies started it during the occupation and later there was not much will/interest to go through the moves to "re-allow" it again.

I don't believe there exist a group which really could become dangerous, with Swastikas or without.
Not many people left who believe Hitler was a good thing for Germany in the end.
Without him we would had very probably reached our current status much earlier and more peacefully.


Well, GB and France started it with declaring war on Germany. YOU started the war Seanie! So...there...

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Good luck...:)

(It's quite nice and refreshing to talk to some real Russians instead of getting all the info solely from the media - the image one gets can become skewed easily)

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If history books for the young ones are changed and rewritten to paint a white washed, sanitized picture, then yes.

Would you accept if Germans would start differentiate the Nazi history and point out that most people liked actually living in the Nazi era and that Hitler had so much support till to the end and why? Officials praising Hitler in the media???

If Swastikas would be allowed etc.?

I could see Germany's neighbours getting nervous...so Russia must accept that their neighbours watch modern Stalin-praise equally suspicious.

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He was very sick at '45 already...he would had died soon and another one (more sane) would had taken over.

I don't think this "all Slavs would be killed" scenario would had come through...

There were to much initial support and collaboration only Hitlers madness failed to utilize but the commanders on the front had no problems to work with anti-soviet/anti-stalinist fighters, Slavs or not!

When you look at german propaganda of that time you will always read only about the fight against Bolshevism, not so much against an slavic "Untermensch"...

Victory or Bolshevism

Europes victory - your prosperity

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Of course...;)

But then I would not have liked to live as entrepeneur, academic or well off peasant under Stalin, it would have been very probably a miserable and short life.


Honestly I don't think so....it's a big "what if" and the Nazis used Slavs as helpers and willing collaborateurs too.


Agreed!

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I thought they met in Poland...

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Well, I personally don't think Hitler was worse than Stalin....he didn't prey on his own people at least and Stalin killed many more people!

But then...it's a matter of perception....

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I apologize!
But there is a certain amount of puzzlement in Germany, especially as in recent times (as the media reported) a kind of white washing of Stalin and his era in the history books and national discourse seems to take place.

I especially became puzzled as in the build up to the coming May party there were shown and interviewed people who had no problems to praise and to adore Stalin and his deeds, many of them old veterans. Excuse me for getting ideas...

(And you need more than just a handful of NKVD's to kill and to deport MILLONS!)

We are talking here a regime which killed MILLIONS of your own people Sasha.


Were they?

They wanted to remove Stalin and his regime, didn't they....

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Many of those fighted with the Wehrmacht later to have a go at their red oppressors, didn't they...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Liberation_Army

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Was there resistance? Who could have done the "removing"?

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Don't misunderstand me Sasha...it's not about me, my Opa or Germany.
We came clear with our past.

It's the russian way of thinking what puzzles me...you are the most opressed, murdered, abused people in Europe and instead of fighting this you still revere and honor your opressors!

We will see that in May again.

Many of those veterans were also part in killing Russians (I mean it wasn't the Marsians which killed and deported so many millions of your own), I'm sure of it....but you cheer them like...well....brain amputated, stockholm syndrom suffering, idiots, sorry to say that!

Stalin and his helpers killed much more of your own than the Germans ever could...

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At least he didn't concentrate on killing his own people..

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Well, you are right...as long as your people don't start yourself nobody can help you...
You have to live with it, not us! After all they oppressed and killed their own people more than any other...*shrugs*

PS: You would probably call the victims of Stalin's russian "Katyn" losers too... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Purge

Losers, yes?

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My opinion?

That isn't a matter of opinion...aren't you yourself not interested in finding out and punishing war criminals?

But then...most of your people were also murdered by your own people, not the Nazis, it must be hard for a Russian to accept that and ignoring that past and denying that must be much easier.

You are good at that!

How many of those still marching stalinist veterans had been in the murdereous NKVD? The plague of your own people for much longer than the the war and the Nazis existed!

You think you won? For Germany it was over '45, you got 50 more years of oppression, secret police and Gulags...

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How do you know? Where there any trials? Ever?


How do you know?

Were war criminals, murderer and rapists ever punished?

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I wonder how many of the old veterans marching in the victory parade every 9th May are war criminals, maybe even were there in Katyn or raping their way till Berlin...

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Very much appreciated, thank you!

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That and the time far back as they were all little...;)
I've read from alot of people who became history nerds just because of Hetalia!!! ;)

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You know Hetalia too? :):):)
You can watch over 50 episodes online now you know...

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Prussia lives on! In my heart!!! *wipes tear from eye*
One day it will rise again...jawoll!

...But no, today's Germany is not Prussia...to many Bavarians, Thuringians, Saxonians, Swabians and whatnot innit....

Of course the german national team wears still the prussian black and white colors...the sign of the army is still the cross of the order and prussian virtues are still seen as very admirable and are the base of many german stereotypes...the traces are all there...

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We know that in the case of Krakau and other towns that Germans were invited to settle here as the mongol invasions left these lands practically depopulated and devastated.

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I don't want to pick a fight with you...just asking because of honest interest as I don't see how you can only defend your interest and your culture using a western enemy. I just don't see Europe this way...it's not realistic in my opinon. Also good luck with trying to make all Slavs speaking with one voice! ;)

Good night :)

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That is easy!

Just make sure your countries get broke and Mama Germany will bail you out!

;)

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No problem! :)


I have not so much knowledge with this special case either but it seems as if the eastern countries worked together because they had the same base problems as rather less developed countries than the older members...not because they were Slavs!

See what I mean?


*phew*

:)

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Help me out here! :)
(I have no scottish book at hand)

I can't remember a scottish Empire and the last time I looked you melted into England...but maybe I'm missing alot here?

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The Coppi thread is this way =======>


Well...if you would be realistic then you would agree that this is never going to happen!
Not with Slavs, not with Germanics, not with Marsians, not within the EU, nowhere...

You just can't make millions of people speak with "one voice" (besides using draconian measures aka a brutal dictatorship).

You seem to have the opinion that the EU is against the "East", that the Slavs must unite to help each other against the West etc.

Why is that so? Can you bring some practical examples?


And then?

You prefer an unstable Europe? With every country out for it's own again? With alliances who gang up on others again? You miss the last century???

You liked war and unrest this much?

I'm glad the majority (yes, also the slavic majority in the EU) sees it differently...:)

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Ummm...out of interest here, what are you hinting at Seanie?
What have scottish warriors accomplished?

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Yup! :)


Only if you start to pay in like wise...

On the other hand, I doubt there will ever be a coherent alliance on the base of genetics possible.
Not slavic, nor germanic...
Every country has different priorities...sometimes they align with others, sometimes they do not.

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Well, another reason why it would be probably moot to staff every male and able Pole
with a rifle in these days...
A possible attacker would not lack this resolve!


Hitler never had the US on his "To do"-list, the same with GB...

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And nobody else did? ;)