UK, Ireland / Polish immigrants in the UK - victims or criminals?! [286]


They have to if a case is brought to them.


She would certainly be supported by Polish speaking police staff. London does not lack Poles, including people who have moved there and are serving as police officers. She would also be entitled to support from the Polish Consulate.


The police don't. The Coroner does, and it is a matter of public record. Coroner's verdicts canot be concealed. And of course all Death Certificates contain the cause of death.


Do you think they weren't?

Food / Polish cakes made in Poland [115]


I was actually going to say those as favourite however sadly I never see them in the shops and haven't for a long time. As a kid, I loved them. Especially the light and shiny biscuit part.

At home, it was mostly Rich Tea or 'Nice" which I never much liked. Sometimes ginger biscuits which I did.

I've never seen Royal Scot though Kerry Creams sound very much like one on sale in the Middle East which is nice. They also have Lime Wafers here which are pretty good!

UK, Ireland / Polish immigrants in the UK - victims or criminals?! [286]


Tough.

Any unexplained or sudden death in the UK triggers three things. Firstly, an investigation by the CID. Secondly a post mortem by a forensic pathologist. Thirdly an inquest held at a Coroner's Court.

It is worth mentioning that the deceased person's family are routinely involved in all three stages. If for any reason they are unhappy with the police investigation they can flag it to the IPCC. If they are unhappy with the results of the post-mortem they can ask for a second one. If they are unhappy with the verdict of the court they can raise an appeal. All of these things are free and are taken seriously.

There's also the Police and Crime Commissioner for the region as well as the Victims' Commissioner; they can both become involved at the request of a family member of a deceased person and they take things very seriously.


They certainly can, however the combined chance of police error, a forensic pathologist missing signs of a suspicious death and a Coroner's Court all getting it wrong are vanishingly small.

As I say, it's a non-story that is being pushed by a 'private detective'.

UK, Ireland / Polish immigrants in the UK - victims or criminals?! [286]


I had a feeling you would. That's why you posted a non-story.


How do you know? On the basis of something a grieving mother and her 'private detective' said?


To a camera crew? That's not how things work.

If there was the slightest possibility of a cover up, the media would be all over this. They love nothing more than suspicious deaths and ways to criticise the authorities. It isn't, and it's not even in the local news, however if you're concerned, feel free to contact the IPCC.

UK, Ireland / Polish immigrants in the UK - victims or criminals?! [286]


I doubt it. You probably mean the Metropolitan Police, and they (as well as the Coroner, a senior judge) have very strict protocols to follow.

The involvement of a "private detective hired by the mother" is a red flag here.


Why the hell should they?

This just sounds like a grieving mother unable to accept her daugfhter's death.

News / Poland's PiS party members and crime [346]

It seems the 'judge' who recently defected to Belarus had links to the PiS regime...

"In 2019, it emerged that a group of judges, including Szmydt, ran an online smear campaign against judges, prosecutors and others opposed to the then PiS government's policies. The group was allegedly coordinated by Łukasz Piebiak, a deputy justice minister.

The episode, which was dubbed the "hate affair" by the Polish media, allegedly involved using social media accounts - including one run by Szmydt's then-wife, Emilia (known online as "mała Emi", meaning "Little Emi") - to smear opponents."

notesfrompoland.com/2024/05/06/polish-judge-flees-to-belarus-seeking-asylum/

Food / Polish cakes made in Poland [115]

Does that exist?

I think it's raspberry jam.

My second favourite biscuits, after garibaldis.

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Off-Topic / thinking of writting a book about myself [219]


In what way?

Food / Polish cakes made in Poland [115]


Those look like scones.

These are biscuits:

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Polonia / Serbia`s free trade agreament with China, great chance for Polish business [31]


There's enough plastic tat from China (probably made by slave labour) floating around already without anyone needing more.

History / Pol-Shorpy Photo Thread [950]


Do people even play that game much?

Work / Starting a food truck business - Kitchen requirements for preparing food... HELP! [4]


This is very unlikely.

Travel / Kielce and the area - amazing Polish Pocket Knives live there [105]


There's the new generation of milk bars (a logical evolution) and there's also so ethical g else that you see in a few places. Sort of two-in-one or three-in-one places. One kitchen and a milk bar and one or two better places all adjacent. I used to live near one. The prices and appearance differed; milk bars have a subsidy and in Warsaw they usually accept food stamps, there was one with high tables, cheap set meals and beer next to it where people often just went for a drink, and there was a third with tablecloths and waitresses.


There are a few nice ones there, good atmosphere and very traditional.


Hopefully they'll open one. They really are good.

Off-Topic / thinking of writting a book about myself [219]


Colour means nothing, however I was struck by Irvine Welsh's description of Canadians as people who emigrated because they can't get on with their neighbours.

UK, Ireland / "Strange " English language.. [264]


What's a "true English accent"?

Ar there "u true" ones?


It isn't. Prince Albert etc had no effect on accents. If anything, RP is based on a fusion of speech patterns slightly to the north of London with those to the south of it. It's rather hard to know how people could mimic one individual's foreign accent when few had heard him speak. Early recordings of elderly people speaking g RP and born not long after he was suggest that their speech wasn't remotely "mimicking" a German accent.


Hard to know why you selected those places which are right down in one corner of the country. Ezra Pound used to affect a north east England accent something a bit like Teeside. I'd say that perhaps the "purest" is probably what you'd hear in rural parts of the East Midlands. That does not of course imply that any others are impure.


There are no "closed language clubs". There are however many mutually comprehensible dialects that make up English, and many subtle (and not unchanging) differences in accent. This is entirely normal for a language on its home territory being spoken where it has evolved and continues to evolve.

Law / Gun control in Poland: should Polish people be allowed to own guns? [1070]


Most of the world manages such matters without a collection of guns.

Even in those few places with gun proliferation, people don't have them with them 24/7 in case they need to kill doggies.

Off-Topic / Eurovision - Today I will be ashamed to be Polish [580]


That one was OK, and the first time a Eurovision song has had an aboriginal language in.


Nice kids usually.

UK, Ireland / "Strange " English language.. [264]


And it sounds so jarring.


That one too. And "trainings".


Chomsky and Krashen have been discussing that one for decades.


EFL learners? Yes, I agree. It would be a much better approach.

UK, Ireland / "Strange " English language.. [264]


What 'ignorance'?

I'd say that acknowledging that grammar is descriptive rather than prescriptive is the opposite of that.


It simply sounds coarse, a sort of shibboleth. Countability and headwords are a particular charcteristic of our language.

Off-Topic / thinking of writting a book about myself [219]

That's round about the time I moved there. A lot has changed since then.

Canada sounds a very different place.

Off-Topic / Eurovision - Today I will be ashamed to be Polish [580]

Yes.

The Polish entry was eliminated in the first semi-final due to being rubbish.

Apparently Switzerland is supposed to be a very good one and Slovenia sounds interesting.

Law / Gun control in Poland: should Polish people be allowed to own guns? [1070]


How would they "invade" your home?

UK, Ireland / "Strange " English language.. [264]

Or breaking them down which was rather the point in 70s and 80s South Yorkshire.

Nevertheless, some things are an integral part of the language and others are jarring. Using "less" where "fewer" should be used is chief among them.

Law / Gun control in Poland: should Polish people be allowed to own guns? [1070]

@gumishu
I've never heard of it happening either in Poland or in the U.K.

If random drunks turn up, who would let them in?

UK, Ireland / "Strange " English language.. [264]


So it's still correct and used by millions.


As far as I know it was a bigger thing on the western side of the ocean and persisted much longer, hence the prescriptive grammar there even today. At school, I didn't have even one lesson about grammar apart from apostrophes.

Off-Topic / Eurovision - Today I will be ashamed to be Polish [580]


Dressing up as devils sounds fun and is certainly nothing new in entertainment. I heard the Irish song and there's nothing sinister about it. Great fun.

At least r*SSia's out of it and can't fiddle the voting.

The Australian entry looks fun.

Life / Polish songs with religious motifs [23]


Of the Christian religion. Since they are taken from the Sermon on the Mount, they are common to all Christian denominations including RC.

And they are something that people (including a lot of churchgoers) would do well to remember.

UK, Ireland / "Strange " English language.. [264]

Here's a fun quiz in today's newspaper. Three of the questions (the football club, the Oxford college and the street in Edinburgh) are trick questions and you re ally need to know them however the other ones are good.

theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/may/07/apostrophes-possession-contractions-plurals-quiz

Off-Topic / Eurovision - Today I will be ashamed to be Polish [580]


That sounds great fun.


A quick look online says he was in a series called It's a Sin which was good.


I thought so too. Hopefully they'll be a nice dance routine however I don't think he'll win or come anywhere near the top, especially die to block voting. A catchier tune would be better.

Off-Topic / Let's talk about shoes [334]


Marks and Spencer sell a kid of men's shoe that I call "pensioners' specials".They don't look stylish but are crazy comfortable and good for people who have to stand up all day.