News / Poland in the European Union. Polexit? [559]


....or as Voltaire said so nicely:

"The Holy Roman Empire was neither holy, nor roman, nor an empire!"

News / Poland in the European Union. Polexit? [559]


How?


You mean soon Central- and south Europe will be split again into more than 500 tiny countries and Brussels as the main seat of power will be dissolved? :)


Which statelet will that be then?

News / Poland in the European Union. Polexit? [559]

What makes the german empires so different to...say...the spanish ones...or the french ones...or the british ones and their ambitions?

News / Poland in the European Union. Polexit? [559]

You should look into the "Hanse" instead maybe. The "Hanseatic League".

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanseatic_League

Now that was a german trading empire...economically extremely successful and with it also came with high german as the lingua franca...because of the wealth it brought the traders and the lands.

hanse.org/en



That would be more comparable to the EU...maybe...

News / Poland in the European Union. Polexit? [559]


....the foundation of the HRE was build in 800, that's nearly 1000 years of history and you bang on about the last few years?


What pattern?


Even if so, the HRE wasn't a german-only Empire...Germany wasn't even an idea for most f it's time....just look at the map.

I can't help it if you are fueled by anti-german paranoia but please leave the HRE out of it!

News / Poland in the European Union. Polexit? [559]

Definitely the decentralization.

In the todays german borders there are alone 7 cities which had been capitals at their times (Aachen, Magdeburg, Mainz, Cologne, Trier, Speyer and Nuremburg).

But that's only the Germans. Look at that:



That's why the HRE is a bad example to fight the EU. Not if you want to portray the EU as an opressive dictatorshipl

Actually the HRE was a good place to be, for most of the time, for most people, even Jews.

News / Poland in the European Union. Polexit? [559]

And you dislike the HRE why exactly?

News / Poland in the European Union. Polexit? [559]

Actually something like the HRE isn't that bad a goal...It was multi-ethnical and totally decentralized. About 500 independent statelets...flourishing, free (as these times permitted).


en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Roman_Empire

Alot of Germany's finest traits were developed back then...

If the EU would evolve into an Europe of Regions I wouldn't be averse to that.

It's the centralistic view of the Frenchies with one powerful seat to rule them all which I don't like...

News / Poland in the European Union. Polexit? [559]


Not now...it started in 1973.

swp-berlin.org/fileadmin/contents/products/research_papers/2017RP13_wep_EtAl.pdf


Who does it?


An Empire is historically a monarchy or an authocracy...never a democracy.

News / Poland in the European Union. Polexit? [559]


Yeah...I agree with that. That is very unlucky communicated. I remember as Austria elected once a far-right Jörg Haider. It was even tried to punish Austria for that election.

It was dumb back then and it is dumb now.

Since then Brussels has gained more experience now and/or has learned to sit out some problems and/or has just resigned. As long there is democracy politicians and govs change all the time.

PiS in a government ist not the problem!

But Poland as a country has subscribed to some plain written rules as it became a member of the EU. Without subscribing to them it would not had become a member in the first place, inclusive enjoying all the support and the advantages.

If there is a case that some of these rules are broken will now be reviewed. If that's the case there will be repercussions.

If they think they did nothing wrong they should be on the safe side, right?

News / Poland in the European Union. Polexit? [559]


Without PiS Poland could be a huge number today in Brussels...no empty slogan!

News / Poland in the European Union. Polexit? [559]


Now that's just not true.

Before PiS Poland was well on it's way to a leading member of the EU, there was talk of a new axis...not only Berlin and Paris, But Paris-Berlin-Warsaw. Poland was the up and coming rising tiger.

Thank PiS for isolating Poland, putting it on the fringe of the EU map again! But hey, for you all these polish politicians involved in Brussels had been traitors from the start anyhow, right? All slimers, brown nosers, commies even..

But it's like in real life, also in the EU you get only back that what you put in first...many countries are more involved in all things EU today than Poland...and their voice is in consequence bigger. Even countries much smaller than Poland...

News / Poland in the European Union. Polexit? [559]


Idealism? What for?

Leftist idealism? That we all are equal and dance together Kumbaya around a tree in some rosy future? You know as well as I do that this ideal can only ever end in a nightmare.

Authoritarian idealism? That somehow a strong leader will save us from all the headache and solve all our problems? Been there, done that..not thanks!

What idealism do you mean?

The only idealism I can accept in my position is actually the green variant! I can't stand the green party in Germany, because they are much to leftist for my taste, but to invest in and build a green tech industry to free ourselves and the planet from the yoke of the raw materials is a thing I very much support and are very much idealistic for.

So, what idealism do you think I'm lacking?

News / Poland in the European Union. Polexit? [559]


Naive?

Iron, I can compare!!!

I live in a rich country, I live a good life, and even if it wouldn't be that good anymore in the future because of a crisis or whatever I would still live better than the majority of this whole god forsaken planet.

I can be active politically without fearing a knocking in the night. I can live my individualist dreams, do what I want. I was never as free and well off as now!!!

Do you honestly think I would risk all this with sawing on the foundations of my good life?? To go back to what???

I remember and compare to the DDR...the difference to now is that everywhere else it's worse!

News / Poland in the European Union. Polexit? [559]


Who is they?

Poland is invited to shape the EU as every other member state ist. But of course, for that they would need to work hard diplomatically to gain support though, meaning becoming a valued and trusted member of the many commissions.

Pouting in a self made corner, threatening the unity, stomping their feet and playing the opressed victim of mean Brussels is not helping with any that. PiS only ensures that Polands voice in Brussels remains small and often enough unheard, if not ridiculed or plain ignored....

...which in turn serves of course PiS narrative of Poland the victim, oppressed by the meanies in the EU....it's a vicious circle, but information is a way out!

News / Poland in the European Union. Polexit? [559]


In Polands case, because of the economical connections, the Zloty would be most probably pegged to the Euro.

News / Poland in the European Union. Polexit? [559]

What exactly will be easier for Poland using the Zloty?

News / Poland in the European Union. Polexit? [559]


I don't think so....all things trade will be negotiated in Brussels, as one! That's the reason for being a trade union...the reason for joining a trade union.

Trump has problems to accept that too...he always wants to talk with Germany. German insider said it was extremely difficult to explain to him how the EU works...and it is doubtful he has understood that yet seeing how he singles out Germany for economical attacks...

News / Poland's Future in the EU under PIS [51]

Chances are that Poland is then in a similiar way interconnected with the other EU countries as Germany and France are. And as the Brexit just shows it's very hard if near impossible to cut all these fine and thicker strings. People will live all over the continent by then, they will study in other EU countries, work there, make business there, will intermarry, will enjoy their pensions in the warmer south etc...

Even more than GB because Poland isn't an island with dreams of getting back to a world spanning empire, they are as core Europeans like the others in central Europe.

Off-Topic / Social Media - who uses Facebook or similar? [45]

I have no idea about face book if I'm honest. I have avoided all that like the plague from the beginning...

Off-Topic / Social Media - who uses Facebook or similar? [45]

What did you do this time Milo? Accusing someone of "german arrogance", you little meanie??? ;)

*ducks and runs*

Life / Why do Silesians hate Poland? [41]

Thanks. That were some interesting insights...

Life / Why do Silesians hate Poland? [41]


Wow! That is new...


*waves back*

I dunno why I care here in Berlin, but somehow it's nice to know that some german-silesian has survived (or is revived) and didn't die with my grandparents and their folks...

Life / Why do Silesians hate Poland? [41]


That's interesting...some german has survived in Silesia after the expulsions? Awesome. But I wonder how that happened. The german Silesians were supplanted by Poles from farther East after all..they must have brought their very own dialects and traditions with them...

History / Is there a list of those in the Polish Army during WWII? [195]


Nope...it was as I said...you confuse


with the german army. There were a gazillion foreigners in the "Nazi forces" in support units and foreign legions...or whole armies like Vlassovs and what not...but the regular german forces like the Wehrmacht were german citizens only!

(Or whoever was declared as ethnically german like Volksdeutsche from Poland)

There were lots of those support units especially since the war in Russia from 1941 onwards...they were needed. I read that it were russian helper which showed the Germans how to keep their tanks going even in deep frost.

PS: In German these foreign volunteers were called "Hilfswillige"....at the height of WWII every third soldier for the Nazis was a foreigner.

As the number of the Wehrmacht during the war decreased to about 2,5 million the number of the Hilfswilligen actually increased by another million.

History / Is there a list of those in the Polish Army during WWII? [195]


Excuse me but only Volksdeutsche were eligible for the german forces. For that he had to register before in the "Deutsche Volksliste ". That was for sure an purposeful act, nobody would had been forced to. To the contrary it got the subscribers alot of privileges, but one could even be scratched from that list if found "unworthy". One of the drawbacks had been the possibility of conscription into the german army though.

The german forces had been generelly for german citizens only. Not to confuse with the support units made up of foreign personal or the foreign legions of the Waffen SS...

History / Whom do the people in Poland hate more: Germans or Russians? [871]


Then why is it that the Whites in the US are feeling threatened so much by them mooslims and illegals? Australia even closed itself off totally.

I think it's the underlying bad conscience and the fear to see the tables turned one day...

History / Future of Kaliningrad Oblast - is it possible to annex by Poland or will it become an independent country? [146]

Has it? I thought Stalin made sure of that being an impossibility....short of salting the earth like in Carthage...do you have some examples?

History / Whom do the people in Poland hate more: Germans or Russians? [871]


Yeah exactly....fool me once!


Who should have defined these "tolerable limits"? The Jews?


Well, besides the fact that Hitler himself had been an Austrian, the Austrians had been as enthusiastic as the Germans.

But the Czechs and the Poles are another matter altogether. One lesson of the Nazis is that you just can't build something lasting on the ashes

of murdered people...it's an illusion to think there had been ever a different outcome possible than what was. It might have taken longer if one cog

or the other would had been put differently...but this way could and did only point downwards.

History / Whom do the people in Poland hate more: Germans or Russians? [871]


Because the answer is clear....besides the women and girls raped by the Russians in Berlin, Hitler did cost us masses of territory, people, whole cities and our whole history. He ruined Germany...and that's purely from a german perspective, the Holocaust against Slavs and Jews not even part of it.

No enemy of the german people could have done worse! Not a patriotic thing to do if you ask me.....no detailing of history can change that.