News / THE ARMY OF POLAND - THE REALITY [493]


If you don't understand something, best not to comment on it.

News / THE ARMY OF POLAND - THE REALITY [493]


See - this is an argument. There is some meat on the bone. Something for us to discuss.

Not just hysteria.

Busy now, but will respond soon.

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Law / US Citizen has somewhat complicated travel problem. [6]

Ah alright then, good luck to you.

But just fyi, it doesn't matter if you kept exiting Poland, if you managed to accumulate more than 90 days within a 180 days period. You can go to Ukraine every other day, but your 90 day counter will still be ticking for every day spent in Poland within that 6 month window.

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What did this "volunteering" consist of?

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Life / Will Poland ever be multicultural like Sweden, Germany or France? [201]

What's amazing is that this epic level of corruption was still not enough to kill Illinois.

America didn't collapse when Jack Kennedy was President, his brother the Attorney General, and another brother was the Senate Majority Whip.

America didn't collapse when Trump started bringing his daughter to the G20, and sending his son-in-law to negotiate peace between the Israelis and the Saudis. It didn't collapse when the Saudis invested $2B into Jared's new investment fund, for seemingly no reason whatsoever.

It's just annoying when America comes into your house, and starts reading lectures about corruption and nepotism.

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News / Does Polish hotel have right to turn down Americans and Israelis? [73]

@Novichok

There is no Christian love in what Israel is doing to those poor Arabs.

News / Does Polish hotel have right to turn down Americans and Israelis? [73]


Please, even if you are angry... do not place us in the same category as those genocidal maniacs.

America is owned by them, so its behavior can be excused.

Russia owes Israel nothing. In fact, it is Israel that owes us.

Travel / Poles as tourists in foreign countries [93]


Nobody? I try to make brain pudding from rapist's cranium?

I know you love cops, just understand the love is not widely shared.

So many among them, are strange people with a hero complex. But as mentioned, firemen and ambulance workers for some reason do not act as if they are gods walking among mortal men - even though their profession is much more noble.

Recently, a cop told me - "If a cop tells you to do something, you do it!". I complied of course (don't wanna get deported on account of this troll), but was a little bewildered at how this guy manage to graduate the academy.

I don't like interacting with people with low IQ, high testosterone, and a child's conception of self.

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Кони жрут мясо.

**** Spartak. Buncha homosexuals.


The topic was relationship of "small man" and power.

You tried to draw some caricature of Russia straight from Dostoyevsky and Chekhov.

I'm telling you it is the same everywhere.

Hello?

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I hate cops.

Only a loser becomes a cop.

You have to have a strange family to be a cop.

You have to have a strange moral/ethical coordinate system to be a cop.

Instead - be a fireman. Be an ambulance driver. Anything... just don't be a cop - because then you are not my brother anymore.

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Is it not the same everywhere?

In my 20s, living in America and driving around a lot, I would get stopped by police quite often because I was an idiot. However, I probably only paid 2 tickets in my whole life. I used the skills developed with Russian traffic police, to similarly avoid problems with American cops.

Here are my tips:

1) It really goes a long way, to spend a little bit of time memorizing military (state troopers) and police ranks. When you address someone as "trooper", "sergeant", "lieutenant", rather than just "officer" or even worse... "hey" - the treatment is immediately different.

2) Don't interrupt them, even if what they are laying out is orthogonal to the truth.

3) Apologize for causing extra work (because that's what they really hate)

4) Be absolutely honest about why you f*cked up (because more than anything they hate lies, since everybody is lying to them 24/7)

Nobody likes law enforcement, nobody likes the taxman, nobody likes bureacrats - and they are all perfectly aware of this. They pay "the people" back with the same kindness. So if you treat them at least a little bit like a figure of authority with a minimum modicum of respect, then the results are usually magical. If you talk to them, as if you are talking to an animated pig - then the results are predictable.

So yes, talk to humans as "humans", and not as pigs.

News / THE ARMY OF POLAND - THE REALITY [493]

There are many, many, many genuine patriots of Russia in Russia.

Not as many as the the turbo-patriots - but enough to still give this ship some adequate sense of direction.

News / THE ARMY OF POLAND - THE REALITY [493]


If an actual combat veteran describing his experience of employing various machines is "manipulative" and "propaganda"... then I don't know how to help you.

This is a thread about the "reality" of the Polish armed forces.

You should thank me, but instead you go into patriotic psychosis like my own compatriots that think it's some kind of betrayal to admit that the West does some things better.

You cannot hope to become stronger, or even more - overcome, if you insist on maintaining this blinkered approach. The only way to improve, is to stare the unpleasant facts in the face. At least for Russia, that is the prescription/cure. Maybe you can afford to hide the EU and NATO, and never have to admit a single flaw...

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I'm the biggest specialist on Ukraine here.

I have family in Ukraine.

I dated a Ukrainian girl for seven years.

I read/watch probably 1-2 hrs of Ukrainian media per day.

Finally, I speak Ukrainian.

What you have is some GW and Onet articles that are 200 words long - and from which you form your opinions.

News / THE ARMY OF POLAND - THE REALITY [493]


It may be cynical for Poles to muse out loud about this subject... but my question is who the hell is going to pay for this corruption bonanza?

Will it be Russia's frozen $300B?

Different organizations, such as the World Bank, have already estimated the reconstruction bill to be in the $700B to $1T range. Where's the rest of the money gonna come from?

Maybe kind Papa Biden will come, and shower everybody with freshly printed dollars? What's another trillion to him, when he's regularly minting US budgets with deficits in excess of a trillion dollars?

If you expect Russia to pay a single cent towards reconstruction of anything which is not under our control, then you should see a psychiatrist.

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Ukrainians never had a high opinion of Poland.

Don't show me any polls/surveys - it's simply a fact.

There was a moment where it seemed there was a chance for friendship, but then it reverted back to the historic norm.

Ukrainian hate ranking:

1) Russians/Poles
2) Jews
3) Gypsies
4) Magyars
5) Turks

Depending if they come from the Left Bank of the Dniepr, or the Right Bank, they will hate either Poles or Russians more.

Russia is hated because it is the "butcher", the "invader".

Poles are hated in part due to history, but also due to envy. Ukraine's national idea between 1991 and 2014 was catch up to, and overtake Poland. They want Poland to once again be smaller economically and in population than them.

News / THE ARMY OF POLAND - THE REALITY [493]


They say German armor only, can stop loitering drones. Thanks to so called "hedgehog" armor.

These Germans, maybe they are more clever than you?

Photos:

P.S. can't post photo for some reason, but you can see in Ukrainian-language article above.

You boys are engaged in same game that Russian "patriots" are engaged in.

News / THE ARMY OF POLAND - THE REALITY [493]


Stop it.

Remember these are men using your equipment.

Not fat bureaucrats stuffing their pockets.

They are telling you objective criticism of your machines. It would be prudent to listen, instead of falling into patriotic psychosis.

News / THE ARMY OF POLAND - THE REALITY [493]


Poles, if going by their ancestry, would make not great artillery men - but great storm troopers.

Perfect for battles like Bakhmut, Soledar, Lisichansk, Severodonetsk, Avdeevka and Chasov Yar.

A proper use of their retarded heroism and bravery.

Can you imagine the joy on both sides if a Polish battalion-sized assault occurred against a Ukrainian trench line?

Even a Russian, would probably sit down on a nearby stump, light up a cigarette, and simply observe the unfolding glory.

News / THE ARMY OF POLAND - THE REALITY [493]

@Crow

Bottom line of my post is that Poles cannot make a decent self propelled artillery, because their arms grow out of their ass and their level of engineering is reflective of this pathology.

Apologies for the automated translation from Ukrainian into English above. It was such a long quote, I was too lazy. Substitute "car" for "machine", and "climbed inside" for "fit into".

How proud Kania was of these SPAs! Hahaha!

And Pawian - he was telling me it was the pinnacle of artillery design!

Btw, this Ukrainian was wrong - there is a system better than the PzH 2000 - and that is the even newer Koalitsiya. Also with autoloader, also with great armor, also with great ammo location, but higher rate of fire, and faster deployment.

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Ukrainian artillery men are sh*tting on the AHS Krab self propelled artillery, manufactured by Huta Stalowa Wola (HSW).

They state that the German PzH 2000 is light years ahead of the Polish creation. Across the board - in terms of ease of use, armor, barrel lifetime, and ultimate crew survivability.

Direct and rather lengthy quote from Andrey Kobzar, commander of a PzH 2000 unit in the 43rd Artillery Brigade:

Ну я вам так скажу: я не залазив в AS-90, я під-час БД не залазив у М109, проте це простіші машини. От у що я залазив з машин подібного класу - це у AHS Krab. Я його бачив, і одразу хочу вам сказати: це недороблена, непродумана і дуже сира машина. Її поляки "допилювали" 20 років і так її й не доробили. В ній хаотично розтиканий БК, тонка броня. Це провал.

Ліпше за PZH-2000, яка чудово захищена, з значним модернізаційним потенціалом, та АВТОМАТИЧНОЮ ПОДАЧОЮ СНАРЯДІВ немає нічого. Якщо у тебе прямі руки, й ти достатньо обслуговуєш всі необхідні механізми, то до снарядів ти доторкаєшся лише тоді, коли вантажиш БК в САУ. Після того можна стріляти як завгодно, проте до снаряду доторкатися не доведеться. А в Крабі такого немає, там ти все ручками тягати, що вже говорити про простіші машинки.

А якщо є бажання загалом порівняти Краб та PzH-2000, то зайдіть на Oryx та порівняйте втрати. Верифіковано втрату 28 Крабів, а їх було 80. Втратили третину, третину! І якщо поглянути на фото уражених машин, то дуже частим явищем є детонація САУ, разом з екіпажем.

А от Панцергаубиць 27 штук, скільки з них знищено? Немає таких. Про пошкоджені я знаю, але їх кількість можна перелічити на пальцях однієї руки. А такого, щоб БК детонував чи хтось з членів екіпажу загинув - та ніколи. Тут вже питання грамотності компоновки САУ.

English translation:

Well, I'll tell you this: I didn't fit into the AS-90, I didn't fit into the M109 during the DB, but these are simpler cars. This is what I climbed into from cars of this class - this is from the AHS Krab. I saw it, and I want to tell you right away: this is an unfinished, ill-conceived and very crude machine. The Poles spent 20 years finishing it and never finished it. It has random ammo and thin armor. This is a failure.

There is nothing better than the perfectly protected PZH-2000 with significant modernization potential and AUTOMATIC SHELL FEED. If you have straight hands, and you sufficiently maintain all the necessary mechanisms, then you only touch the shells when loading the ammunition into the self-propelled gun. After this, you can shoot as you like, but you won't have to touch the projectile. But in Crab there is no such thing, there you carry everything with your hands, let alone simpler machines.

And if you want to compare the Crab and PzH-2000, then go to Oryx and compare losses. The loss of 28 Crabs was verified, and there were 80 of them. We lost a third, a third! And if you look at the photos of the affected vehicles, a very common occurrence is the detonation of self-propelled guns, along with the crew.

But there are 27 Panzerhowitzers, how many of them were destroyed? There are no such. I know about the damaged ones, but their number can be counted on the fingers of one hand. And such that the ammunition detonates or one of the crew members dies - and never. There is already a question of literacy in the layout of self-propelled guns.

Sources:

PL: polon.pl/news/ukrainski-dowodca-o-polskim-krabie-niedorobiony-nieprzemyslany-prymitywny/

UA: drukarnia.com.ua/articles/intervyu-z-andriyem-kobzarem-dosvidchenim-artileristom-i-komandirom-rozrakhunku-panzerhaubitze-2000-OULoB

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I have a literal Polish plumber in my building, a guy named Anton.

Well, he always tells me he is a Slovak, that grew up in Poland, but for me he's a Pole.

Let me tell you - I'm so afraid of Anton, that unless I know there is a risk of flooding other people I don't call him.

Dealing with Anton is quite a bit more stressful than dealing with some of my counterparts.

With Russians, we say, they are slow burning and then finally they explode.

Poles - first they explode, then they burn.


Acceptable.

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@Torq
Erasing Poles through some nuclear holocaust would be the greatest ever Russian foreign policy mistake - in all of our nation's history.

Poles and Russians are brothers - this much is clear to me.

Catholic, violent, and emotionally unbalanced - but still brothers.

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Muahahahaha

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Ahhhh, home!

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Have not heard this one, but I like it!

There was a family ahead of me. Father, mother, three small kids.

He was very fit, and made me feel a little self conscious.

But she was amazing... Thin, tall, and with the most amazing smile. Kids from another family would dive under the divider, and play with her kids - and she would light up with a smile that made the heart sing.

Then, when some Polish babushka had trouble understanding the black guy working for LOT in Newark, she stepped in and translated with the most delightful accent.

I was looking at them, and thinking... is this really who we are to drop some nuclear bombs on???

Good people.

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@Torq

So no protest at you having big noses?

The person I was with, though from Ukraine, has always claimed to me to be Polish by blood.
In that line, she told me - look they all have big noses like me!

Big, impressive noses.