History / Polish attitudes towards ex-Soviet republics joining NATO [116]


Why?

Can't you be proud of your country without denigrating and fighting others?

Patriots can work together with other patriots to the best advantage of all, nationalists can't and won't....it's always "Us vs Them".

News / Years of Poland in the EU - assessment of pros and cons [1199]


How so?

Because as I see it...the EU will only then break apart when all it's member states are taken over by nationalists.

Now I would want to see trade negotiations between a bunch of hostile nationalist governments....then it's back to the old pecking order, the bigger ones trampling down on the smaller ones, who have to take what is being offered. (Not really negotiations between equals).

That's my opinion, you must have a different outlook or you wouldn't follow that path and wish for it to come true. So please, explain it to me...

Where do you see Poland?

News / Petition for War Crimes Reparations for Poland [126]


Do you remember how Greece looked like before the EU membership? They used donkeys on dusty streets...till 1974 they were ruled by a military junta ffs.

Without the EU and the EURO they would still look like this! They don't need anybody to be corrupt and a failed state.

News / Petition for War Crimes Reparations for Poland [126]


*nods and follows Dolno into the next pub*

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He is a nationalist, like you! :)

News / Petition for War Crimes Reparations for Poland [126]

Wessis make jokes like that about us Ossis too, you know.....

News / Petition for War Crimes Reparations for Poland [126]


Isn't that what the Single Market is for? :)

News / Petition for War Crimes Reparations for Poland [126]


What do you mean with "it doesn't exist"?

News / Petition for War Crimes Reparations for Poland [126]

The so called "Prussian trust" and the west german Vertriebenenverbund was actually a big feared thing back then in Poland. Hence the urge to get that treaty about the Oder-Neisse-Border officially done...I remember weakly...

News / Petition for War Crimes Reparations for Poland [126]

Everybody who supports such claims supports also populists, they are fattening their numbers. Keeping old grievances with their neighbours alive with purpose has only nationalist reasons and is only supported by people who would love to throw every unity which has been achieved in the last decades happily under the next bus.

I'm suprised to find you in their corner Jon...

News / Petition for War Crimes Reparations for Poland [126]


It has all to do with the reparations....Poland didn't put a claim up then and now its to late. This conference in 1990 was the time and place to do it, the polish government wanted the Oder-Neisse-Border secured and they got it.

There was no other demand and then it was settled for good. THAT was the polish-german treaty which cleared the last questions. Money wasn't part of it. Done!

News / Petition for War Crimes Reparations for Poland [126]

But I did that already...

un.org/Depts/los/LEGISLATIONANDTREATIES/PDFFILES/TREATIES/DEU-POL1990CF.PDF

PS: Poland never lodged any formally demand, even as they bring it up again and again, and my guess is they never will....it's useless...it's all only hot air for people like you!

Again show me your seriousness and ask Moscow for reparations...for their own and a share of the german ones...

Till then, I will file it under dishonest and hypocritical, so forget about it!

News / Petition for War Crimes Reparations for Poland [126]


Love you too Iron, but that "jabbing" really happens only in these forums where some can't help themselves and bring this topic regularly back on the table.

Internationally nobody jabs (beside eye rolls and head shakes and some groans inbetween)

1953 reparations were decided. 1990 was the day all rest demands was talked over and were decided...Poland got its Oder-Neiße-Border, Greece didn't show up and that was that then...

A few years later Poland (not having any open disputes anymore with other EU members) became member of the EU and the rest is history.

Nobody could have someone like K. many years later on the radar...but there is really no way for him and his friends to breath any life in that dead horse...it is dead and stays dead!

News / Petition for War Crimes Reparations for Poland [126]


There is, in the accession protocol....."no running conflicts with neighbours" :)

News / Petition for War Crimes Reparations for Poland [126]


So we are all lucky in that regard! :)

But I'm fairly sure would you become elected prez of Poland you would very soon learn that nothing is that easy as it first sounds. In consequence you would have to bin most of your election promises/threats immediately after taking office and coming round to the thinking that maybe having good relationships with Germany is not a bad thing at all...happens all the time! :)

News / Petition for War Crimes Reparations for Poland [126]


Not really...actually only 2. The one who wants money and the other who pays it (or not).

I rather think PiS believes Germany as weak and soft, they try for their pound of flesh as long as they think they can get away with it.

Otherwise it is illogical why they don't grate on Moscows nerves too at the same time. They fear Russia more than Germany...

It's abit schizophrenic....Germany is an partner and an ally, a good, peaceful neighbour, sharing most unions and treaties...so they look for any things to pelt Germany with.

Russia is feared and depised, hated even...seen as an enemy....not a bad word from Warsaw, and for sure no demands!

Maybe Germany should become abit harsher? :)

News / Petition for War Crimes Reparations for Poland [126]

It get's boring...there are just no new arguments or facts or anything else what would demand a re-consideration. It's done!

Greece wasn't even part of the treaty talks in 1990, they even get less from Germany as in:

"*shrug*

Your fault that you weren't even there. You failed to put in your demands then, now it's to late. Sorry!"

News / Petition for War Crimes Reparations for Poland [126]


*sigh*


bgbl.de/xaver/bgbl/start.xav#__bgbl__%2F%2F*%5B%40attr_id%3D%27bgbl253s0331.pdf%27%5D__1555800148125

You could find it all by yourself, you know...don't play daft!

It began in 1953 in London and ended 1990 in Berlin as also Poland subscribed to make the after-war Oder-Neiße-Border officially and acknowledged for good by Germany.

de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oder-Nei%C3%9Fe-Grenze#Die_Oder-Nei%C3%9Fe-Grenze_als_Grenze_zwischen_Deutschland_und_Polen

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German%E2%80%93Polish_Border_Treaty

un.org/Depts/los/LEGISLATIONANDTREATIES/PDFFILES/TREATIES/DEU-POL1990CF.PDF

You really want to resuscitate that old dead horse?

News / Petition for War Crimes Reparations for Poland [126]

And aslong as some nutters only always claim reparations from Germany and not from Russia likewise too, the whole thing just smells rotten anyhow....

News / Petition for War Crimes Reparations for Poland [126]


Just in case you missed it the first 325 rounds before:

"According to a statement made by the German government on the issue, the reparations issue was resolved in 1953 as Poland declined receiving any payments from Germany."

That is the one and only answer Poland will ever get. Believe me...and come another election with K. and his followers slowly dying out that all will also fall into the fog of long gone history.

News / Petition for War Crimes Reparations for Poland [126]

Sure....it wouldn't be the first time...this topic pops up regularly....

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_reparations#Poland

There has been compensations, there has been treaties...if Poland today wants to disrespect them then everything else will to...then Silesia needs to be re-negotiated not to mention the billions of EU-funds pouring into Poland...not to mention opening up an interesting case for others who have historical beef with Poland.

It's a two-sided sword and in Europe nearly everybody can play that game!

So, nobody will do anything about it...only nutters on some internet forum or politicians hoping to win some brownie points with a small portion of the electorate for domestic reasons.

That is not really a topic any longer at all!

News / Petition for War Crimes Reparations for Poland [126]

But reparations have, especially if there has been compensations and subscribed treaties about it...

News / Petition for War Crimes Reparations for Poland [126]

@Weimarer

That means nothing for Germany....be it Greece or Poland such actions are meant for the home population, for domestic reasons only like an upcoming election battle...to seduce possible voters with a show of dicks...

Once that is over that reparation demand is forgotten like any other pre-election promise! It's a game...

History / What do Poles owe to Germans? [451]


I call it Germolia...my polish friend prefers Gerpolia...so the decision on the name is still out! :)

History / What do Poles owe to Germans? [451]

Now THAT is nice! Thats how I would like to see our both countries...

History / What do Poles owe to Germans? [451]

...my memory is getting foggy! :)

History / What do Poles owe to Germans? [451]


*nods*

Or Vietnam! They were always in need of some parcels. I remember THAT! :)

History / What do Poles owe to Germans? [451]


Mind you...I somewhat doubt that my East German overlords would waste their school kids time to send humanitarian aid in a roundabout way to support the Solidarity uprising in the "socialist brother country" Poland...I wonder where else the parcels were send to...


I don't remember! :(

History / What do Poles owe to Germans? [451]


Thats all I ever wanted! :)

Interesting....I too remember faintly packing such parcels with my school class, it was an organized action after school and all classes did it...but I don't remember where they were send to....

There is even a movie about the West German help for Poles during that time:

dw.com/en/new-film-recalls-german-aid-during-polands-solidarity-uprising/a-15595396

History / What do Poles owe to Germans? [451]

Yeah....well....that doesn't count...we got it from the Spaniards who brought it back from South America before...

How about sausages?