News / WOSP in Poland [161]


You must live in an alternate reality then if you think that Poles don't notice the failings of Polish healthcare system or you live in the woods with no contact with people or you're deaf.


You're going too far with this, imho, you don't know that. The damage to the organs could be too severe.

Gregy, thanks for the link.


Again, we don't know that.
I've seen how he was taken down the stairs from the stage by the security guards - on Polish TV his face was blurred but not on BBC. The scene was filmed by Polish TV. He didn't look beaten up for what I could see. Then he was quickly passed on to the police so the security guards wouldn't even have much time to beat him up.

For all we know he could get hurt when he was thrown down by the technician to the floor face down and the knife was taken away from him. Would you complain then that the technician wasn't gentle enough with a guy waving a combat knife on a stage where children were present?

News / WOSP in Poland [161]

OK, gregy, now I understand what you mean.


Any links to that info?


I did hear yesterday on TV that he was isolated from other prisoners because he was brutal in prison or sth.


Yes, that's very true - once when I ended up in hospital I could see medical equipment from WOŚP everywhere. And that was in Kielce, PiS' stronghold. They help everyone, no matter the political allegiances.

News / WOSP in Poland [161]


Aww, are you turning into a "libtard snowflake" who's calling people "Nazis" when they disagree with you? Shame on you, gregy, shame on you!

I only wrote that the guy is dead no matter whether his killer is sane or not. Psychopats aren't exactly sane, as far as I understand, but, as far as I know in the US they end up in prison on death row. What if he's a psychopath? I'm not sure how it works in Polish law but I imagine his lawyer will have to prove that he was mentally ill during the attack during a trial?


The last I've heard he was in a police arrest and the police mentioned that he will be questioned and his mental state will be assessed by psychatrists - a standard procedure in such situations.


Then let us wait for it, shall we?

We don't know whether the killer was mentally ill or not at the time of the attack. It will be determined.
I don't know whether the organisers "broke the law" or not but I know that the police was present, the security firm was hired and they failed (which is being investigated).

And it looks like you want to put all the blame on a charity. It looks pretty ugly to me.

Btw, mods, I think it would be nice if the posters from the US stayed on topic this time, for a change (I mean Rich Mazur's comment).

News / WOSP in Poland [161]


It looked like a conscious decision to me. And planned too. It wasn't a crime of passion or whatever. Sorry, I'm not a native English speaker, but the guy got stabbed in heart and other places by a knife 14.5 cm long, he left behind a wife and two children, he's dead, no matter whether it was a "murder" or a "killing" and whether the killer was sane or not (which is going to be determined by psychologists). He seemed sane enough to serve his previous sentence in prison, not in mental hospital.

Btw, the police for now classified it as "zabójstwo":

fakty.interia.pl/polska/news-adamowicz-nie-zyje-prokuratura-zmieni-kwalifikacje-na-zabojs,nId,2782721


Yeah, sure, gregy lol
I have no words. And you have no shame, it seems.

News / WOSP in Poland [161]


It happens when they kill someone. This is what it's called - murder. No matter whether the killer is sane or insane person, whether it's a Muslim terrorist or some anti-PO or anty-PiS fanatic. Also, it is up to specialists to determine whether he was sane or not during the attack. The attack was clearly planned, prepared and thought through. The people who know him said that he radicalised in prison.


Where do I call for killing mentally ill people? Again, I ask: wtf is wrong with you?

News / WOSP in Poland [161]


There was police nearby, like always during such events - surrounding the area of the concert and patrolling the city nearby. The police presence in the city was increased because of the WOŚP finale from 100 to 300 policemen on patrols. The organisers didn't ask for police presence but it was provided anyway out of the police's own will - so was said on Polish TV by some representative of the police in Gdańsk, as far as I remember.

During such events the organiser hires a private security firm which secures the event itself on site, including the stage. WOŚP hired such firm, but it looks like those security guards weren't present at the stage during the attack. The killer was apprehended by... a stage technician who was present at the stage at that time. Before that happened the attacker managed to walk around the stage gesturing triumphantly with a knife in his hand and to deliver an explanation of why he did it through a microphone:

"My name is Stefan W(...). I was sent to prison despite being innocent. I was tortured by Civic Platform. This is why Adamowicz is dead."

Only after that two security guards rushed to the stage and took him away. He was immediately passed to the police even before any call about the attack was made because the police was nearby.

The police will investigate, among others, the behaviour of the security guards during the attack.
I've seen an interview on TV with a former spokeperson of the Warsaw police, who said that he'd been warning for years about the poor quality of the security provided during such events like concerts, football matches, etc. by private security firms. People working there are often random people not trainded for such kind of situations.

I think we have to also keep in mind that such things simply don't happen in Poland, especially not during such events like charity concerts and it caught everyone off guard. That doesn't justify the failings of that security company, though (especially considering all those terrorist attacks in the West). A mayor of a major city was killed in front of cameras and thousands of people, including children, during the most famous charity event in Poland. I imagine that heads will roll.


Wtf is wrong with you?

Btw: tvp.info/40845437/

One Polish internet user made a following comment: "Jaśkowiak (mayor of Poznań) and the president of Wrocław should get it too... They are becoming the victims of their leftist and Godless attitude towards their public functions."

He's been arrested by the police today, I've heard.

USA, Canada / Would a Polish woman marry to get into the USA? [41]

"worn-torn Syria"

war-torn, sorry! lol

USA, Canada / Would a Polish woman marry to get into the USA? [41]

@Cms neuf, exactly, not only the West of Europe is closer to Poland than the US, but a Pole can go and work there legally without any visas - one doesn't have to get involved in some kind of sham marriage in order to get into a country.

As for "Russian brides", I've seen a documentary "States of Undress" not long ago - an episode about Russia - it's about clothes and fashion, but it also focuses on the society. There was quite a bit about a situation of women over there. I was shocked by the disparity between the number of men and women in Russia. A greater disparity nowadays is only in worn-torn Syria. It started with the losses during WWII and it never got rebalanced. I know that there is probably quite a number of Russian gold diggers out there, but, to be honest, I wouldn't be surprised if many normal Russian women were looking for a partner outside of Russia for this reason. Especially considering the attitudes and high expectations of Russian men towards their women (if you ever wondered why Russian women dress in such a sexy way - to some "trashy" - and wear make up all the time - I know why now).


I literally KNEW that one of you misogynists will show up in this thread and come up with some kind of prejudiced bullsh1t that will make men look better and women worse even in the face of results of a research lol Rich Mazur wrote one really prejudiced comment which turned out to be a LIE and now you're just following in his footsteps.

Tell me, Dirk, what do you base your claims on? Don't tell me that on "your experience" or on experience of your probably equally prejudiced pals. Give me evidence, statistics, research results about women's vs men's lies.

Here you have some insight on the differences: dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2713862/Men-lie-women-study-reveals.html

Btw, if you think that "I only had 3 beers" lie is such a "stupid sh1t" then go and talk to a wife or a child of an alcoholic. It won't be such "stupid sh1t" for them, trust me. The lying and cheating of alcoholics about their drinking is one of the worst things for their families.

And how can you even claim that men don't lie about important things? Are you serious? Do you think that me or other people are stupid? That we don't know life? I'm not some silly goose that you can sell such crap to.

Men lie about the same things and some other ugly stuff: I'm single, I'm divorced, I'm separated, I'll leave my wife for you, I swear I don't have herpes, I've never been with a prostitute, I don't have sex with prostitutes, I always use a condom but with you it's different, I love you/you're special/I've never fealt like this with anyone before/you're not just a piece of meat/spermbag for me (being said in order to have sex with a woman/girl and then dump her), I've never cheated on you, I'm not cheating on you, I'd never cheat on you, my ex means nothing to me, I don't want to have sex with my ex, my coworker, your sister, your friend, etc. I'm not interested in girls below 18 years old (in case of adult men), I wouldn't like a threesome, I wasn't flirting with her, I came to Poland to work/for a longer period of time (while they came here for two weeks only as sex tourists), I'm not trying to get you drunk and take advantage of you - I'm not that kind of a guy, how could you even suggest that?! (lol), I go to Thailand for the food and culture (lol!), I'm a monogamist, totally!, we didn't visit any strip clubs, I'll still respect you if you do this (concerning sex or sth sex related), I'm not with you to be able to rape your child, I'm not raping/molesting our child, grandchild, niece, etc. and I'd never do that, I'd never hurt you, I wasn't checking your messages, I've deleted my profile on that dating site, I don't have a drinking/drug/gambling/p0rn problem, I've never been married before, I don't have kids from a first/second/third marriage, I'm not watching p0rn (lol), I like our sex life, I don't have any weird fetishes, etc. etc. etc.

Dirk, if you'd bother to check the link that I've provided you'd see that the only important lie that women tell on that "top ten lies" list is "Nothing's wrong, I'm fine". It's on the first place. In case of men it's on the second place, so the difference isn't that big.


You've just proved that the results of that research are true.

@dolnoslask, that's why I stressed the fact that he wrote that he's leaving the forum - so he couldn't go back on that. He was probably long gone when I wrote my comment anyway, I didn't write it only for his benefit, tbh. I have enough of the comments of a few individuals here who write about women as if we were some kind of subhumans and the fact that none of the men here is challenging them on that. Do you all share their views? Wait, why I even bother asking... I'll probably be "fed some bullsh1t" anyway...

USA, Canada / Would a Polish woman marry to get into the USA? [41]

@Rich, actually, before you'll leave this forum (hopefully forever), I'd just like you to know that according to various research and articles that I've read men lie more than women (even despite the fact that women talk more!) and they feel less guilty about it:

telegraph.co.uk/news/science/science-news/7733510/Men-lie-more-than-women-finds-survey.html

And RubasznyRumcajs, is right, I think, the US isn't such a popular destination for emigrating Poles anymore.

History / Whom do the people in Poland hate more: Germans or Russians? [871]


What do you care, anyway? You detest Poland and its people, the US is your country now. Why don't you spend your days on American sites advocating "a reasonably good relationship" between Russia and the US?


They aren't the same but Poles don't like the attitudes that Russian authorities and many Russians have towards Stalin, towards what tsarist Russia and the Soviet Union did to Poles and others (if they even know what it did) and towards what was happening in the Soviet Union itself. They don't like the red stars on their buildings.

Poles don't like the attitudes Russian authorities and many Russians have towards Russia's neighbours and towards the countries in Russia's "sphere of influence".

They don't like what's going on in Russia too. They don't like the way Russia is TODAY. Or at least majority of them didn't, now - I'm not so sure considering "Russian-like" attitude towards democracy and other stuff of the current Polish government and part of the society.

Still, if you think that Poland can have "a reasonably good relationship" with Russia after what it did to Ukraine then you're probably detached from reality. It was a red line that Russia crossed confirming in this way Poland's worse fears about this country.

Work / I'm a graphic artist. How to get a job in Poland ? [10]

@Hamination, according to the site barometrzawodow.pl there's a deficit of graphic designers in Poznań but to be one in Poland in many cases it would be good to know Polish language. It wouldn't be a must in case of game developers but they're usually placed in Warsaw. If you want to pay for your studies by working in Poland I think it would be wise to apply for work first and see if you can get a job or not.

But to apply for work you have to have a portfolio and that brings me to:


Where are your works? I can't see them... Is this what you're going to do to your prospective employers? You'll tell them to look for your works on the internet and if they're lucky they'll find them? lol

Life / Why is circumcision not practiced in Poland? [701]


Where did I write that or even suggest that? :D

@Johnny_reb, not necessarily - I think hormonal contraception for women (pills) may cause dryness, also hormonal problems and some other heatlh conditions can cause dryness too. And menopause, of course.

Life / Why is circumcision not practiced in Poland? [701]


That must be in the US. There's almost no circumcised men in Poland so there can't be any "preference" :)
I've actually read some articles about this once and apparently sex with circumcised men may be more painful for women due to the unnatural friction stemming from the lack of the right lubrication provided by the foreskin or something, as Jaskier already mentioned.


Apparently lack of foreskin makes the penis less sensitive - men get less pleasure from sex, so maybe circumcised men can last longer thanks to this. I don't know what man would want to feel less pleasure from sex though, tbh. I wouldn't do something like that to a son of mine.

Also, looking from both the woman's and the man's perspective - one can play with the foreskin (I guess those men who have it know what I mean) - if I were a man I wouldn't want to resign from this just to be able to shower less often... lol

I don't know, it just boggles my mind that people do it...

@Johnny, are you saying that you don't shower daily? o_O My cousin from Chicago takes a shower twice a day.
Btw, a healthy vagina is much more clean than any mouth, there's a lot more bacteria in a human mouth, so spit isn't the best lubricant from the perspective of the woman's health, I think.

Law / Weapons laws in Poland. Carrying a concealed handgun? [918]


Dirk, the problem with this argument (which sounds rather heartless, tbh) is that regular people usually stay away from neighbourhoods where there are some kind of gang wars going on (in Chicago it's apparently near the south side of the city?), unless they're unlucky enough to live there.

But as far as mass shootings done by psychos are concerned - it can happen anywhere. You won't know what place to avoid. You would have to stay put at your house and not go anywhere - not send your children to school, highschool, university, not go to the cinema, to a club to have some fun, to a concert, to the church, etc.

It's not only about numbers of people killed but about the sense of security and psychological comfort.

It's the same with terrorist attacks in Europe. More people die in car accidents or from smoking or whatever than in those terror acts but you guys make a big deal out of it. And the media make a big deal out of it. Because it's not only about the numbers, but about the sense of security, it's about being able to go about your everyday lives, about going to a shop to buy groceries or to a cafe to drink some coffee with your friends without the fear of getting a round of bullets in your body or of being blown up into pieces.

You could argue in boh cases (mass shootings and terrorist attacks) that it's about "feelings and emotions" and not about "reality, facts, statistics, logic".

Both are unpredictable and can happen pretty much everywhere, it's difficult to predict and counter them and both induce fear, terror and panic in ordinary people who are just going about their daily lives and minding their own business...

Classifieds / Help With Translating Handwritten Polish Records [18]

You're welcome, Rick :)

Classifieds / Help With Translating Handwritten Polish Records [18]


Yes, all the scans are in Russian. I've noticed some Polish names written in Latin alphabet ("Józefу z Prusów", "Jan") as kaprys mentioned, but that's it, so you need a Russian translator, probably someone who has some experience in translating archives from the past or at least someone who has a Russian philology degree (since some of the language may be outdated), I guess.

Classifieds / Help With Translating Handwritten Polish Records [18]

@Rickzawadzki, at the time that territory where your great-grandfather was born was part of the Kingdom of Poland (also known as Congress Poland) which was a puppet state of the Russian Empire:

upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/38/Administrative_divisions_of_Congress_Poland_in_1830_ENG.png

My region was also part of Congress Poland at that time and my family's church records are also in Russian (my aunt got them translated).

History / 75th anniversay of Dr Janusz Korczak's death - a true Polish hero [26]


I know where you're coming from Lyzko - after all, the Brontë sisters chose masculine sounding pen names because they were worried about prejudice. However, kaprys is right - it was a requirement of a contest that made him use a pen name for the first time. It wasn't "Janusz Korczak" back then, but "Janasz Korczak". This name originated from the book "Janasz Korczak and the Pretty Swordsweeperlady" (Historia o Janaszu Korczaku i o pięknej Miecznikównie) by Józef Ignacy Kraszewski. Later on he changed it into Janusz Korczak. He wasn't the only Polish writer who used pen names and who is known better for his pen name than his real name. Aleksander Głowacki, for example, chose a more "non-Polish" surname for his pen name than his own - he called himself "Bolesław Prus". He chose it because it was the coat of arms of his family. Why Korczak chose the name of that character - I don't know. Maybe he liked the character or the story. I am not aware if it had anything to do with anti-semitism, if that's what you're implying.

Ktos, I just hope you won't procreate :)

Love / What do Polish girls think about dating Asian guys? [134]

OK, I think I have to step in here, not only as a Polish woman, but a woman in general... lol
I've been reading this exchange and scratching my head wondering why on Earth all of you jumped on sunwooz like that.
First of all, he didn't attack Polish men in general but those racist posters whose comments were as if taken out of a Nazi textbook (did you guys read this whole thread?) He didn't write that he's taking Polish women away from Polish men, like Bieganski suggested, but that it's the way racists see it, because they see women as objects (and as their property, I imagine). So why the hate?

Second of all, he didn't write that he dates only white women or that his society is perfect.
He also didn't write nor did he imply that he's some kind of a irresistible stud or a "magnet" to women and that all Polish women are tripping over themselves to get to him lol

He wrote, I quote: "All the Polish girls that I have dated tend to have an interest in Asian culture." And then he added: "If they express interest in any of these things, then you can definitely get a first date, contingent on if she finds you physically attractive."

That's all.
It means that women who are interested in Asian culture are more open to a possibility of dating an Asian, especially if he's attractive enough.


Polish women, like all human beings on this planet, aren't a copy of one another and they may have different preferences, like everyone.
I knew personally two Polish females (one teenager and one adult woman) who were interested in Asian culture and were swooning over South Korean male signers and they made me even watch some TV shows where those signers were guest stars or sth lol Not my cup of tea but I did watch it with them in order to be polite and out of curiosity. The teenage girl will maybe grow out of this but the adult one ended up on Japanese studies so I guess she's hooked for good :)

Also, Justin Bieber isn't only popular (or was, I don't know) only in Asia, is he now? So, clearly, tastes vary.

Of course, the fact that a woman is interested in some culture doesn't have to necessarily mean that she's attracted to men from that culture. I must say that despite the fact that I was interested in Japanese culture and I still value the visual aspect of their culture, for example (many European artists were influenced by Japanese culture during Art Nouveau period, so it doesn't have to be about "marginalized nerd interests like anime and K-pop") I'm not particularly attracted to Asian men. However... After seeing some beefed-up Chinese Americans (or with some other Asian backround maybe - I don't know) I changed my mind somewhat... I guess a handsome well-built man is a handsome well-built man - no matter the race :)

Someone mentioned Filipinos here. They can be handsome too - I did some googling:

He's cute :)

And look at this guy:



OK, he's half-Filipino, half-white and has "American" written all over his face but that makes him a walking commercial for race mixing lol Hot! :)


Well, I doubt Wulkan is mad that Polish women are being "stolen" by anyone - he lives in the UK, he's in a relationship with a British woman and thinks that Polish women are worse than British ones on all levels :) So I honestly don't understand what he's doing on this thread in the first place.


I don't think he's a troll and to me his credibility isn't zero at all. He also doesn't give an impression of a "very sad and negative individual" as Wulkan claimed.

I can't blame him for thinking that men here jumped on him because of their insecurities, as Bieganski clearly overreacted and didn't even read with understanding what sunwooz actually wrote.


Like you, Iron? :)


Guys, I don't even know what sunwooz looks like but I'd rather date him rather than any of you already. At least he seems normal in this thread and he can read (sorry for being blunt, but that's how it looks).

Imho, you should all take a step back and chill. And then maybe read sunwooz's first comment again...:

https://polishforums.com/love/girls-think-dating-asian-guys-26249/4/#msg1587376

I don't know, I'm not a man so maybe I'm missing some "podprogowy przekaz" is his post, but to me your reaction is pretty mental, guys o_O

Just saying (from a woman's perspective)...

News / Polish MEP Korwin-Mikke's latest outrage, insulting women [216]


It's so funny to hear something like that from someone living in a country where someone like Margaret Thatcher was a Prime Minister lol The Leader of the Conservative Party, The Iron Lady, supporter of liberal economy. I've talked to English men from the North of England who still hate her for "closing down coal mines and taking away free milk from children at school" lol:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thatcherism

"Thatcherism represented a systematic, decisive rejection and reversal of the post-war consensus, whereby the major political parties largely agreed on the central themes of Keynesianism, the welfare state, nationalised industry, and close regulation of the economy."

And another one:

"Thatcherism has been described by Nigel Lawson, Thatcher's Chancellor of the Exchequer from 1983 to 1989, as a political platform emphasising free markets with restrained government spending and tax cuts coupled with British nationalism both at home and abroad."

Theresa May is also a conservative politician and she doesn't seem to be backing away from Brexit.


No, I don't "get it". You assume that men with left wing and liberal views get elected only because women have voting rights.
But you haven't proven to me in any way that women always vote for leftist/liberal politicians and that men always vote for right wing politicians.

You also haven't proven your claim that the vast majority of men are right wingers and women are leftist.

It often happens in democracies that right wing and liberal/leftist parties win interchangeably. One time right wingers win, another time - liberals or leftists. So what does that mean, according to you? That in those years when right wingers win mainly men vote and in another years mainly women vote? lol

What happened in the US then that Trump got elected? Women suddenly stopped voting? lol
Poland was one of the first countries in Europe to grant women voting rights. Why then it still is one the most religious countries in Europe and still pretty conservative?

I'm sorry but your theory makes no sense.

It's also peculiar that you deny manhood to men with leftist views (Hollande). According to you Lenin and Stalin were "feminized fags" who were afraid to make decisions too? lol


I'm sure they were - for white men with your views. The West still is a paradise if you compare it to the rest of the world (Central and Eastern Europe) included. If it wasn't, 1 mln of Poles wouldn't be living in the UK and people from around the world wouldn't be there either, including you.


I've discussed this with a Pole who lived in Sweden and he explained that Sweden has simply a different qualification of rape and they're counting offences in a different way nowadays than the rest of the Europe or sth, hence the high statistics of rape in this country.

News / Polish MEP Korwin-Mikke's latest outrage, insulting women [216]

Iron, I'd like to comment some more on this, because I think you may not realise something:


As much as cruel and genocidal the Khmer Rouge regime was, its rule lasted for a short period of time, especially if you compare it to half of a century of communism in Poland, 70 years of Soviet rule in Russia or still ongoing communism in China.

In 2012 74% of Russians declared themselves as Russian Orthodox. Putin (former KGB agent - don't forget) worked hard for this.
Cambodia may not be as religious as it was before the Khmer Rouge rule but it doesn't have to mean that it isn't a patriarchal, traditional, conservative society nowadays. The fact that Theravada Buddhism is the official religion of Cambodia already tells you something. The fact that men believe in ridiculous superstition (passed on to them by older generation) that sex with a virgin makes them younger and more healthy also shows how traditional (and backward) that country is. What I wrote about women being second class citizens didn't come from Wikipedia but from an older Cambodian lady in one of the documentaries that I've watched. She lives there and she's a woman so I guess she knows better than you or me, right?

And the fact that women are second class citizens means that it's a patriarchal society no matter how religious or non-religious it is.

Chinese society has traditionally valued boys over girls. Gender-selective abortions spiked after the introduction of the one-child policy in the late 1970s, and again following the introduction of ultrasound technology. China outlawed sex determination in the late 1980s to stop parents from finding out the gender of their child and abort or abandon girls. Doctors are forbidden by the state to tell the sex of unborn babies. But the practice still goes on. And deeply entrenched traditional ideas about female inferiority prevail, especially in rural provinces. This has led to skewed sex ratio in China. According to a 2014 census data there were nearly 116 men for every 100 women. This led to another pathology - men from rural areas kidnapping women from different regions and from cities and imprisoning them as "wives" (I've even seen a Chinese film about this on Polish TV). The same problem exists in India, a very conservative, traditional and religious country - boys valued more than girls, gender-selective abortions targeting female fetuses, shortage of women in more traditional, conservative regions, men from those regions with greatest shortage of women kidnapping or buying girls/women as "wives".

Despite China being communist for years it didn't manage to root out this traditional attitude towards girls/women so I'm not surprised at all by what's going on in Cambodia.

Also, I'd like to ask about this:


Right about what, Iron? That if real men were in power rapist pedophiles would be nailed by their balls to nearest bridges? Where are those "real men" then - in which countries? And what gregy741 means by the term "real men"? Judging by his views real men would be those who think women are less intelligent than men and that they shouldn't have the right to vote, which is a basic human right. He also apparently thinks that "women destroy nations/civilizations" lol Do you think that if men with such Taliban-like mentality would rule in the West it would make Western societies better? lol Do you want to live in Afghanistan?

The retarded ways of how the West is handling its issues with its minorities doesn't have anything to do with women and their voting rights but everything to do with their colonial past and the trauma after the atrocities of WWII. As far as I remember from my history classes at school black males got voting rights before white females in the US. That really tells you a lot.

News / Polish MEP Korwin-Mikke's latest outrage, insulting women [216]


Iron, you wrote why you think Wikipedia is wrong about this. I'm sorry, but what you think is not enough for me. Provide other data and a source to back them up. I want data, statistics, some kind of proof, OK?


So what do you want from me exactly? You want me to explain it to you what my aim was in writing about what "real men" are doing to 12-year-old girls in Cambodia? But you just wrote that my aim is to prove "nothing at all" lol So now you're interested in my answer after all?


You know, I have an impression that according to you even if I sneezed I would prove him right about everything... You have your mind made up already, it seems.


So what do you think I think I'm doing (that I'm not doing)? ;D


Nope, they aren't pointless nor random.


And what is my premise?


If I gave you the same advice would you stop writing about Poland and Polish politics? :)


I don't live in the West.


And what about Nazism?


There are countries where women have it not only worse but much worse then men. Are you denying this?

News / Polish MEP Korwin-Mikke's latest outrage, insulting women [216]


Why not? According to Wikipedia 87.5% of Poles are Roman Catholics. You think Wikipedia is also wrong on this one? :)


;D
Iron, I'm afraid that trying to have an adult, normal, constructive discussion with you is absolutely pointless :) First you ask me what I'm trying to prove and then you answer on my behalf to yourself: "Nothing at all!" lol Maybe simply stand in front of the mirror and discuss with yourself? At least you won't be wasting my time.


As I wrote - if you have another information and a better source then provide it.


This is true, I was thinking about it too. However, Cambodia is just one example. I could also write about other patriarchal, conservative, traditional, religious countries. That's why I wrote that gregy741 probably wouldn't like me to go there (in that direction). India is a great example... Supposedly developing and pretty successful country. But the stuff that's going on there as far as women are concerned... No comment... Really depressing.


Indeed. Although poverty is definitely one of the things that make the virgin trade possible.

News / Polish MEP Korwin-Mikke's latest outrage, insulting women [216]


Of course. I've also watched the film "The Killing Fields"...


The Khmer rule lasted from 1970 up until Vietnamese invasion and occupation in 1978, I think.
In 1993 monarchy was restored in Cambodia.
According to Wikipedia "Theravada Buddhism is the official religion of Cambodia, practised by more than 95 percent of the population with an estimated 4,392 monastery temples throughout the country."

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambodia#Religion


Why, do you have other information? If yes, then please provide it and a source.


I don't think he would look good as a woman lol


Um... What? lol O_O'

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Sweetie, you can't even do this. Even the basic info about the difference between the brain size of men and women you gave was incorrect.

I feel like I'm discussing with a 12-yeard-old (I'm being generous now) and you're telling me about adults lol


Oh, you don't want me to go there, gregy741, trust me. Want to talk about Cambodia where "real men" are in power and about what they are doing to 12-old-girls? You see, men in Cambodia believe in a superstition that having sex with a virgin gives them youth and health. Of course, you can ba a virgin only once and what's more there's another problem - because of the extent to which men in Cambodia are whoring around without using condoms there's a problem with AIDS among prostitutes. So they go for younger and younger girls because the younger they are the more likely it is that they are HIV-free virgins.

So, very young girls are in demand but, of course, what girl in her early teens would like to be a prostitute, right? But where's demand there's a way. There is a lot of poverty in Cambodia and many poor families (sometimes parents do it consciously, sometimes close relatives claim they can get work for them in some menial jobs in a different town but sell them to men as sex slaves) sell their daughters to those pedopohiles and ephebophiles. Those men rape them for a week or two and after that they give/sell the girls away to brothels. In one of the documentaries about Cambodia that I've watched a 13-year-old girl was sold by her aunt to a brothel where she was raped by up to 20 men every night. When she asked the human traffickers for a time off because she wasn't feeling well she was beaten and made to drink water with shards of glass. All of that at the age of 13. Just imagine that.

Even if the girls escape their lives are pretty much over because for a poor girl the only future is marriage and men want only a virgin for a wife.

So they end up as prostitutes, they get AIDS and they die. Then another generation of young girls arrives, they get AIDS and they die. And this is how it goes.

In theory the equality of men and women is enshrined in Cambodia's constitution, but in reality women there are second class citizens. And prostitutes are simply treated as subhumans (I'm being generous again, because I have an impression that even animals in Poland are being treated better). Which is of course bitterly ironical because many of them, if not most, are victims of human trafficking and should be helped and shown empathy.

It often happens that when a prostitute meets the client it turns out that there are other men present, his buddies, and they want some too and so the prostitute is raped by all of them and paid only for one client. Gang rapes are a problem too. There's a lot of porn in the country, men simply watch it in pubs, bars, etc. it's everywhere. So they go in groups to bars, watch porn and then they want to try it out - whatever they've seen in the film. They go out, grab some girl, usually those selling beer in bars and rape her. Prostitutes also say that, unlike Western men, Cambodian men like to do it in groups. I guess it's a kind of group entertainment for "real, brave men".

One activist (a Western man) said that there was a case in which a 16-old-girl was gang raped, raped with a knife (with the sharp end) and then her breasts were cut off. She bled out to death in the street. It also happens that bystanders are joining in the rape, btw.

I think one of the most shocking things that I've ever heard on a documentary was a story of a Cambodian prostitute who was raped by 50 men during one night. First they raped her at some house/shed in the village. Then they dragged her to the fields and continued raping her for the rest of the night. She passed out a few times. After some time one of the rapists said to her: "We will f*ck you until you die". At that point she got a stroke.

When she was telling about it I noticed scars in neat rows on her forearms - she was cutting herself.

This hell on Earth for girls and women takes place not in some "libtard" Western country with "feminist politics", not even in a Muslim country, but in a patriarchal, conservative, traditional, 96.4 % buddhist Cambodia.

I'm sorry, but what I've noticed is that the more patriarchal the country is the more f*cked up it is. And not always only girls suffer from this. I'll mention just one thing, connected to Afghanistan - bacha bazi. If you don't know what's that all about then google it and if you have a chance - watch some documentary.


Judging by the article in Wikipedia they were given sentences from 5 to 20 years in prison (for me that's not enough for raping children, btw).

Gregy, in my opinion it's the other way around - the law isn't "feminist" enough in this respect.
In Poland a man for a rape often gets a year in prison. A year! It's as if he stole a car or sth! It even happens that they get suspended sentences. Can you imagine? How women are supposed to feel safe after testifying against rapists in court if the rapists don't even make it to prison?

You think that women like such situation? That this is what they're voting for? Poland is a Catholic country, it's still pretty conservative by Western standards, it's not a haven for "femi-nazis", I'm sure you know this.

Look at this:

tvn24.pl/lodz,69/gwalcil-trojke-dzieci-corka-popelnila-samobojstwo-jest-wyrok,672009.html

This Polish man raped his two daughters for years, one of them couldn't take it anymore and committed suicide.
He got sentenced to 11.5 years in prison and he can't get anywhere near his other daughter, his son and wife for 5 years lol
Look at the comments:

kamikadze75:
For such a crime such low sentence is laughable and a tragedy!!! In the US he wouldn't get out of the prison for the rest of his life, because they would sum up the sentences for him. In Poland for good behaviour he will get out after a few years and he will have a laugh at the justice.

I often read such comments under Polish articles about rapes in Poland both from men and women. Sometimes they cheer each other up by saying that at least the rapist will be treated "accordingly" in the prison by his fellow inmates (the urban myth says that rapists are raped in prison by inmates on regular basis, but I don't know if it's true).

Women in both Poland and the US can vote so why such difference (at least perceived) in sentences?


All those presidents, prime ministers and MPs in Parliaments, city mayors, town mayors, etc. It's not only that - most of the police are men, the same with judges.Those are the people who make laws and who execute this law. And they are mostly men.


You would have to prove it with statistical data.


Again - prove it with data.


Mental differences lol Gregy, you would have to show data for this :) Show me statistics proving that majority of men are right wingers and majority of women are leftists (for example by showing voting patterns or sth among the two sexes).


Gregy, gregy... lol Communism was invented and implemented in the most cruel ways by men. You talk a lot of bullsh1t.


Wow, so Jesus was a woman? :D


Oh, silly boy, I know how important economical independence was (and still is) for emancipation of women :)


What on Earth are you talking about? ;D Taxes are paid by both men and women and they existed long before anyone could even dream about women's emancipation lol Also both men and women get welfare benefits, so what are you on about?


Only rich states can afford to support their citizens with welfare benefits and what not and do that no matter whether they're "libtard & feminist" Western democracies or extremely patriarchal and conservative Saudi Arabia, for example (which was referred to as a "Welfare State" since citizens of the kingdom were at one time heavily subsidized by oil income by the royal family of Abdullah - but that's apparently all changing with increased population).

I would recommend to you to read stuff, watch documentaries, visit other countries - maybe you'll learn something about the world, life and people and you'll widen your horizons.


Funny, it's usully women who want to get married and have a family and men, at least that's the stereotype, avoid it like fire lol Men are using exactly the same word as you - that marriage is putting "chains" on a man :)


You want me to watch something titled: "Why Women DESTROY NATIONS * / CIVILIZATIONS - and other UNCOMFORTABLE TRUTHS"?? :D
Why on Earth would I waste 18 minutes of my life on watching this? Have mercy lol I've wasted enough of my time with you and I bet this video is as "factual" as your comments lol

I don't know, maybe if I provided you with link to a video containg 18 minutes long rant titled "Why men are MONSTERS and other UNCOMFORTABLE TRUTHS" then you would watch it with great interest but I'll pass for the time being, sorry... I've read a lot of comments on Rooch V forum and blog + your comments, I'm afraid that an overdose of similar content would make me hate and despise men.


What one can be sure for certain is that Tusk isn't a woman (look at the thread title, Crow).

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Btw, in case someone didn't believe me about this:


edition.cnn.com/2013/08/13/world/meast/saudi-woman-everest/

"I think she was 13 or 14 years old ... saying 'I just wanted to tell you that after hearing your story I found the courage to ask my father for a bicycle.'


It doesn't seem to me that you know much about anything, tbh. Let alone about women or their fate throughout centuries... I don't know where your issues with women came from but you're clearly deeply prejudiced.


Well, Ziemowit, looks like he does qualify as nothing more than a male chauvinist.


Ah, men raping girls in Rotherham is women's fault - interesting "logic" lol
You know, politics are still vastly dominated by men and Marxism and utopian socialism were all invented by men. I'm afraid you're probably giving women too much credit right now :)


"Interesting" conspiracy theory - makes no sense though since women don't need to leach on the society or their husbands for that matter because they can work nowadays and they do work. At least in Poland (you can't usually raise a family on one salary in Poland, you know). I don't know what it's like in the UK but I doubt it's that much different.

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Napoleon, just like other male rulers, profited from millennia of patriarchy before him. During his time societies were still patriarchal and so men usually ruled.

Btw, he declared Joan of Arc a national symbol of France. Have you heard of her?


Of course it had everything to do with allowing. You think gorilla packs are patriarchal because gorilla females care about "shoes and handbags"? lol And what do male spotted hyenas care about? Fast cars, beer and porn? lol

Women in Great Britain had to throw themselves under horses during horse races and burn buildings in order to get voting rights and you tell me about shoes and handbags lol Idiot...


That's what women are allowed to do nowadays (still not everywhere though) and what they are doing nowadays (except for walking on the Moon, but Mars awaits :D).


No, it isn't wrong. The first female students were allowed in 1894, but only at the pharmacy course. They were allowed on other courses later on.

Here's an article about those first students and what it was like for them:

wyborcza.pl/alehistoria/1,121681,18170349,Studentki_w_gorsetach__Pierwsze_Polki_na_uniwersytecie.html

Tell me, gregy, you claim that men ruled in the past because "they were smarter, better organised, had better charisma, were more intelligent, more willing to risk, more willing to sacrifice their life and they didn't care about their shoes and handbags" (this cracks me up, btw, do you know how French men dressed in the 18th century, including kings, for example lol).

So what's your explanation for the fact that women weren't allowed to study at universities in the past and weren't allowed to vote but men were? Was it also because men were "smarter, better organised, had better charisma, were more intelligent, more willing to risk, more willing to sacrifice their life and they didn't care about their shoes and handbags"? :) Or was it because men ruled and they didn't allow women to attend universities and to vote?


Did he even own a telephone? lol


Of course, gregy was there and knows it all *smh*

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You know, you're so silly that it's almost adorable :D How old are you?


That was because men held power since the very beginning and they held power not because they were smarter than women but because they were physically bigger and stronger than them. It's a well researched correlation in the animal world - species with males bigger than females are patriarchal (like gorillas, for example) and those with females bigger than males are matriarchal (like spotted hyenas).

Those who have power do what they want and take what they want, they can decide about they own fate and the fate of those subjected to them (women in this case), they can take privileges for themselves and can take take the roles they feel like taking.

Nowadays physical strength doesn't matter as much as it used to, the world has changed and so the tide has turned in favour of women who are physically weaker than men. Now it's brains that counts, not muscles. At least in those more developed parts of the world.


You can't be THAT ignorant O_O Did you even attend school?
Usually only men were ALLOWED to rule.
Don't you remember to what great lengths Henry VIII went to have a legitimate male heir? He even broke with the Vatican and changed the country's religion + beheaded his wife to get a new one lol

Sometimes women were allowed to rule either on their own, like Cleopatra VII Philopator, Elizabeth I of England, Catherine the Great or together with their husbands, like Isabella I of Castile and probably others that I'm not aware of. But that happened usually because there was no other choice.

And don't forget that behind every man there was usually a wife. Wives or even lovers of kings could have some influence on what was going on in the country, like in the case of Hürrem Sultan, also known as Roxelana, for example (she came from Poland, btw). She started the Sultanate of Women:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sultanate_of_Women

"Many of the Sultans during this time were minors and it was their mothers, the Valide Sultans, or their wives, the Haseki Sultans, who effectively ruled the Empire."

The TV series "Wspaniałe stulecie" or "The Magnificent Century" rings a bell? It's pretty popular in Poland.


I don't think I remember any names of any math scientists, tbh, be that men or women. Well, maybe besides the ancient ones ;)


If you read the article in Wikipedia about Nawojka you would know that the Jagiellonian University did not allow women to study until 1897. At that time Skłodowska was already starting her research for her doctorate at the Sorbonne in Paris :D The same year she gave birth to her daughter, Irène Joliot-Curie, the future laureate of the Nobel Prize for Chemistry :)

In Poland she did study at Warsaw's clandestine Floating University, though.


Wow, I really didn't realise the extent of your prejudice, stupidity and ignorance. Now I see it in full glory and it hurts my eyes lol:




Civilizations were created by human beings in general, women had some part in this too, despite being restricted by men to a great extent.
You mean brands like Chanel? lol
And inventions:
mentalfloss.com/article/53164/19-things-you-might-not-know-were-invented-women

buzzfeed.com/hannahjewell/inventions-by-women-that-changed-the-world


Yes, and because "millions" of men have done it in the past it wasn't so unusual. Maria Curie was the first woman to win a Nobel Prize in Science and the only woman to ever win two Nobel Prizes. So obviously she's famous - precursors always are. She made history. It's also nothing unusual for teams of scientists to get Nobel Prizes - it happens all the time nowadays. This doesn't mean that she was "an average chemist" (she graduated from her studies in physics at first place and in mathematics at second place at the Sorbonne).


In what way was it "political"? It didn't cross your mind that she was overlooked at first because she was a woman? After all, those were the times when women in most countries didn't even have voting rights. They weren't treated seriously or considered equal to men. Even nowadays they aren't considered equal by some men, including you...

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Hahahaha... Good Lord, it's so funny that I feel like crying :D :D
Sorry if anyone already commented on this - I'm toot tired to read the whole thread... In case noone have:
First of all, they're 8% smaller, not 30% :D
Fun fact - neanderthals had bigger brains than homo sapiens :D Were they smarter than us? Nope - evolution doesn't lie, I think. Of course, elephants and whales have bigger brains too but I don't see them flying to the Moon and stuff ;)

Another fun fact - Einstein's autopsy revealed that his brain was smaller than average.
Also:

telegraph.co.uk/women/9905587/Women-have-more-efficient-brains-than-men.html

"Now a study by universities in Los Angeles and Madrid have shown that for women, brain size does not matter because they are more efficient."

In case your big brain had problems with digesting this info I've prepared some visuals for you:

Big computers (brains):
thecomputercoach.net/assets/images/WITCH_COMPUTER.jpg

Small computers (brains):
brickhost.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/laptop-trade-in.png
Yay!


I don't know whether it was based on facts but I remember watching a film about courtesans in Venice - they were the only women allowed to use men's libraries (wives could only read the Bible lol).


One British MP in, I think, 19th century cracked me up - he claimed that women shouldn't attend univerities because they could hurt their brains :D


No, no, you can't be THAT stupid... lol
1000 years of history lol When women couldn't even attend universities?? :D Is this some kind of sick joke?!
We've learned about this girl at school:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nawojka

It reminded me of this Pakistani girl:
bbc.com/sport/get-inspired/24084101

Plenty of girls and women around the world STILL can't do what boys and men are allowed to do only because they're of the opposite sex than them and you have the audacity to write something like this?

First all women around the world would have to have AT LEAST equal rights and opportunities with men (or more rights and opportunities than men in order to copy the situation in which women had to live in the past) and then we would have to wait a few millennia to see what women are REALLY capable of. IMHO.

Btw, funny thing, probably you don't know much about Polish art or art in general for that matter, but I do know a bit and I can tell you that the only Polish painters that are recognised/known in the world that I know of are women. I've seen paintings of Olga Boznańska in Musée d'Orsay in Paris and maybe also in Louvre but I don't recall seeing works of any Polish male painter. And, of course, there's Tamara de Łempicka:

dziennikpolski24.pl/artykul/3266792,polska-malarka-tamara-de-lempicka-trafila-do-grona-najdrozszych-artystek-swiata,id,t.html

I somehow doubt that even with your bigger brain you'll ever be able to produce anything that will be regarded as worthy of 111,1 mln dollars... Of course you can prove me wrong, but I won't hold my breath :P

Btw, I remember reading about a female math scientist, I think, who couldn't even attend a university library to read her own works that were available there because only men could enter lol How ridiculous was that?

And as for Polish science... Maria is facepalming at you, obviously...:



Btw, Olga Boznańska couldn't attend a Fine Arts School because she was a woman. She had to pay for private tutors. Imagine how many talents and brilliant minds were wasted in the past by sitting at home and doing embroidery...


Gregy lives in the UK and, tbh, I've always had an impression that he's Russian rather than Polish. Bieganski lives in the US, as far as I remember, and probably was born there. Ironside also doesn't live in Poland and I think he has spent a lot of time abroad. The only Polish guy on this thread that probably spent the most time in Poland is Wulkan, I suspect, and he also doesn't live in Poland.

So I wouldn't put it that much on Polish men. Those on this thread don't really represent Polish men living in Poland, at least not in my experience.

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Interesting, do you have some kind of a different type of the internet in Jordan? No Google or what? o_O
All I did was typing "can a foreigner open a company in Poland" into Google search box, hitting "Enter" and here's what came up (both in Google Poland and Google Jordan):

migrant.info.pl/conducting-business-activity-in-poland-by-foreigners.html

web.gov.pl/eng/ecosystem/675_4444_a-foreigner-s-guide-to-starting-a-business-in-poland.html

justlanded/english/Poland/Poland-Guide/Busine ss/Starting-a-business-in-Poland

lawyerspoland.eu/open-a-company-in-poland

foreignersinpoland/start-business-poland

doingbusiness.org/data/exploreeconomies/poland/starting-a-business

companyregistrationsworldwide. com/jurisdictions/poland

(Mods, sorry for multiple links, I don't know whether the info is being repeated in those articles or not - I have no time for relieving a troll, who pretends that doesn't know how to use Google, of reading stuff - Christmas is in just two weeks, so, forgive me, please, too much more important and pleasant stuff to do in real life :))


What if his university library has poor resources and not up to date?


If he's too lazy to google stuff then stocking shelves on the night shift at Biedronka may be too much of an effort for him, I'm afraid...

Or he's simply a troll - in which case we're both wasting our lives typing this :)


lol