Life / Vandalism in Poland: Has it always been this way? [80]


Not according to the initiators of the project :) I posted two links, you know Polish, you can read them. Did you read them?

Life / Vandalism in Poland: Has it always been this way? [80]


The idea behind the rainbow benches? "To make the public space more colourful" - according to what's written in the project itself:

budzetobywatelski.kielce.eu/zobacz-szczegoly-projektu-po-ocenie-komisji-1400791644-1400794443-70771294596c0eacd1e05dacc993220c.htmlfbclid=IwAR1K27dqsKBIpO7UsoPat3n2QQ5vYUM7q60zX1ouy5veUd5zhy6CiPGBTxg

Everything is explained in more detail in this article:

kielce.naszemiasto.pl/teczowe-laweczki-w-kielcach-co-mowia-inicjatorzy-projektu/ar/c1-7414550

The initiators of the project are a group of friends, young, private people, not any organisation, who would like to stop people from leaving Kielce. I know what they're talking about - I remember quite a few years ago I took a taxi and the taxi driver was complaining about young people leaving Kielce. He said: "Soon only old farts like me will live in this city". It's probably more women leaving my city than men, because there are less women than men here, which is unusual considering that in Poland in general there are more women than men.

Quote from the initiators of the project:
"Kielce is gray and we should make it joyful, more colourful, more infantile. (...) Rainbow is simply beautiful and we should be able to see it more often, not only after the storm."

Btw, besides the benches the project included waste segregation bins, bicycle holders, bowls for dogs, planting trees, etc. but everyone focused on the benches because of the colours. The initiators seem to be surprised that this became such a "national problem".

1300 people voted for the project.


Haha, don't be silly... ;D I can take it ;) What is it? "The Pogrom City"? "Scyzorykville"? ;)))
(Yes, I'm from Kielce :))

I think I messed up the first link, so I'll post it again:

budzetobywatelski.kielce.eu/zobacz-szczegoly-projektu-po-ocenie-komisji-1400791644-1400794443-70771294596c0eacd1e05dacc993220c.html?fbclid=IwAR1K27dqsKBIpO7UsoPat3n2QQ5vYUM7q60zX1ouy5veUd5zhy6CiPGBTxg

Btw, as for scyzoryki...:

kielce.naszemiasto.pl/teczowe-laweczki-w-kielcach-i-szokujace-slowa-ksiedza-w/ar/c1-7412394

Life / Vandalism in Poland: Has it always been this way? [80]

Those colourful benches were a citizens' project approved by the city - in the same way a parking lot near my block of flats got renovated (enough people had to sign the petition).

Pawian, Kielce is a city, not a town (even if it's provincial ;)). Btw, what kind of bad reputation Kielce is being haunted by? (I won't get offended, I'm just curious)

Love / Cheating from spouses. Is cheating very common in Poland ? [116]

I'm sorry, guys, but I'm not Chairman Kaczyński and I can't be convinced that black is white and white is black. Everyone who is being cheated on simply has the right to know that the're being cheated on. Who gave YOU the right to take that right away from them? It's their right to know and it's up to them what they're going to do with that knowledge. It's not up to us to decide in such situation what's best for them, for their marriage or their children. The're adults and it's their life (and they have only ONE life), their marriage and their children. And their right to know.

You know what all this talk about "sticking your nose in where it does not belong" reminds me? People who say, for example, that domestic violence (which is a bad thing too) is "family business" and when some psychopath is beating the crap out of his wife and kids other people (neighbours, the police) should look the other way because "it's not their business". You know what kind of people say such things, right? Usually those who, as Joker put it, have some skeletons in their closets - who like to beat the crap out of their wives and kids themselves. I think you can imagine what I think about them and their opinions?

Another thing - I really doubt that you would react the same way as towards Adel if it was a guy who would come here asking how to tell a man he knows and likes that he's being cheated on by his "slutty" wife in the most "creative" ways and this very nice guy seems to be totally unaware of what she's doing. Would you also be writing stuff like that you "pity" the male poster, would you be writing about "minding his own business", calling him "a self appointed busy body", "a self appointed home wrecker" and asking him what his "pet sin" is? Would you give a guy the same "warm" welcome if it was about a "slutty" cheating wife? Yeah, I don't think so.

@Joker, there would be nothing to "meddle with". I'm a hardcore monogamist - I can't help it even if I wanted to, I guess I'm "wired" this way. I've never cheated on anyone in my life. I've also never been "the other woman". So no skeletons in my closet, sorry to disappoint you :)


lol Iron, you never give up, do you? :D

I'll try to comment on the rest some other time, I have no time for all of this right now.

Love / Cheating from spouses. Is cheating very common in Poland ? [116]

@johnny reb, how would I "shame" you by writing what I think after reading your comments to Adel? Your and Joker's reactions to Adel's post were too emotional and agressive. Adel is clearly a decent person who'd like to do the right thing. Cheating on your spouse is a bad thing. Telling someone that they are being cheated on is a good thing. So, such knee-jerk reaction on your part (attacking Adel) looked weird and suspicious to me. It's likely to mean you identify yourselves with that cheating husband because you're cheaters yourselves - this is a simple psychological mechanism. The other reason for your reaction may be that you're identifying yourselves with the children because your parents got divorced, but, tbh, I suspect that the first option is more likely...

I'm not fishing for anything - you mentioned your wife at least twice on this forum, then some time later you wrote about some woman in her forties, I think, who was interested in you and you were thinking that maybe you'll go for it, lately you wrote that you're looking for a friend for post-pandemic orgies... lol I don't know if you're married or divorced and to be honest whatever you would write on this matter - I wouldn't believe you with such track record so what's the point of fishing?

I didn't infer anything, I've asked you a simple question that you avoided to answer. You wrote that things must work differently in Poland than in the US. You suggested that someone who would tell another person that they're being cheated on would have their nose broken for that or even worse. That's why I asked you that question - whether you'd break your buddy's nose for telling you that your wife is cheating on you. Or maybe you meant sth else - that in the US Adel would get her nose broken by the cheating husband for telling the truth to his wife?

As to your question - I've already answered it in post nr 40. Do you have a memory of a butterfly?

Wow, drinking, seriously? lol I've noticed that people like to accuse others on PF of drinking during posting, but you couldn't choose a worse target for this. No, I didn't drink - the only alcohol I drink is a glass or two of champagne on New Year's Eve, sorry :)

I was simply sleepy and as I use my phone as an alarm clock and keep it beside my pillow I was writing on my phone. I don't know how to quote on my phone for the life of me either, so I'm sorry if I wasn't "sharp" enough for you while being half asleep and in a hurry to end this increasingly pointless exchange... Even now I can't be bothered to turn on my computer so sorry for lack of quotes and any spelling mistakes...

Love / Cheating from spouses. Is cheating very common in Poland ? [116]

@johnny, it's late and I'm getting too sleepy to deal with your sudden "amnesia" and playing dumb. That's really lame even for you...

My question was - if your buddy told you your wife was cheating on you, would you break his nose for telling you about this or not? Act like an adult and answer the question already.

I wrote that I have a feeling that you and Joker are cheaters. That it's my gut feeling. I never wrote that I know this for sure.

As for women cheating only for sex then how am I supposed to know if it's as much of a betrayal for men too? I'm not a man. You tell me...

Love / Cheating from spouses. Is cheating very common in Poland ? [116]

Ah, I didn't notice that Ironside got involved in the discussion and I addressed johnny_reb twice instead of Ironside by mistake - sorry about that...

Love / Cheating from spouses. Is cheating very common in Poland ? [116]

*break your buddy's nose, sorry lol

and fundamentals, not foundaments, I guess

Love / Cheating from spouses. Is cheating very common in Poland ? [116]


Where does it say in the article?

Johnny reb, I doubt I'd complain about people on the bus telling me that I'm being pickpocketed or if I didn't have to talk a witness of a car accident into waiting for the police after she saw a driver hitting a young girl after he didn't stop at the lights... I meant stuff like this. No, I wouldn't complain about people being "oppressively suffocating" then. Would you?

That's basic human decency in a civic society, imho.

And don't be lame, noone informed me about me being cheated on and I've never been cheated on (as far as I know, of course). I wrote that my experiences had nothing to do with cheating.


OK, johnny, I do think that you're hypocrites and probably cheaters too. I'm basing this on your first reactions to Adel's post. The fact that you're not even willing to answer my question about your buddy' s broken nose proves you're a hypocrite. I have no proof that your're a cheater, obviously, that's my gut feeling based on your reaction to Adel's post and your behaviour on this forum.

Now, your turn. Would you brake your buddy's nose or not? No weaseling out this time.

Btw, I'm not going to get involved into an endless discussion about differences between men's and women's cheating. Marriage is about sex too. It's one of it's foundaments. So even if it's "only" about sex for men - it doesn't matter - it's still a betrayal and it hurts. And, yes, I was talking about one night stands (you mentioned a bar yourself) and everything else.

Love / Cheating from spouses. Is cheating very common in Poland ? [116]

@johnny reb, if you googled it then what's the percentage in case of husbands? How many of them don't know?

As far as going to a bar - for women such kind of adventure may not be very safe and probably not very satisfying. Also, unlike prostitutes, men talk... Someone she knows may see her in the bar, etc. etc.

You know what, I think that by claiming that you would know about your wife's cheating you're trying to weasel out from answering my question.

Would you brake your buddy's nose or not? Simple question.

"you know how weak us males are when it comes to younger women in their prime." - I do know, so don't go on and tell me that I'm "a feminist of the worst kind and think the worst of men", etc., because you know very well what I'm talking about...

Love / Cheating from spouses. Is cheating very common in Poland ? [116]

@johnny reb, me being a victim of social apathy explains why I care for other people being in similar situation when other people are too indifferent to react.

Well, I think I trust more a research than your guessing and I think it's a bit of a wishful thinking on your part that you would know if your wife was cheating on you...

Maybe the percentage would be similar in case of husbands being cheated on and not knowing about it - I don't know, I haven't seen such research. Men do have more opportunities though, I think - with all those brothels around and sites where you can order prostitutes like pizza :)

So, johnny reb, what you're saying is that, if you were being cheated on by your wife and you wouldn't know about it because your "slutty" wife would be so "creative" about it, and your buddy would come to you and tell you what's going on, instead of thanking him you would brake his nose??

Love / Cheating from spouses. Is cheating very common in Poland ? [116]

@Lenka, I wouldn't mind if a complete stranger approached me about sth like this. I'd be very grateful because I've seen how indifferent or cowardly or lazy people can be and they don't intervene when sth bad is happening - I was also a victim of such indifference/cowardice/social apathy. It didn't have anything to do with cheating, but it can make you lose faith in people.

Now imagine the wife finds out when she's after 50 or 60... (whole life wasted) or when she contracts some nasty venereal disease from her husband...

I understand what you're saying, there's always a small chance (20%) that she knows, but if her husband's cheating isn't "extremely painful and embarrassing" enough for her to dump him, then I doubt she'd die from shame if someone told her about it...

Pity that the wife doesn't know English - she could try to find out for sure then if she knows about cheating or not...

If that story is even real, that is, and we're not being trolled... :)


Then I'd rather my husband didn't visit your hotel ;))

@cms neuf, then I guess - your hotel - your rules, my hotel - my rules :)

@johnny reb, what about the kids? You think I'd want my mother to be married to a cheater? Besides, the pair could go to counseling and that could help their marriage - not everyone divorces over cheating.


Hypocrites. Come on, don't tell me you wouldn't want to know that your wife is cheating on you.

And as I wrote already - 80% of wives who are being cheated on never get to know. Men have their ways to hide this stuff, trust me, their impunity can be astounding...

Love / Cheating from spouses. Is cheating very common in Poland ? [116]

I don't see it as "messing" with someone's private life in such circumstances - the wife has been her hotel's client for years and it looks like she's grown to like her... For me ignoring sth like that, especially in such situation, is simply cold and cruel. I think there are some limits to being "professional". I wouldn't take such decision lightly and it wouldn't be easy for me to tell someone about sth like that, but I hope I would have the guts to do it. I personally definitely wouldn't fire anyone for something like that.

Love / Cheating from spouses. Is cheating very common in Poland ? [116]

So you personally would fire someone for telling one of your clients, a very nice person, that her husband, a father of her kids, has been cheating on her for years?

Love / Cheating from spouses. Is cheating very common in Poland ? [116]

@cms neuf, do you work in a hotel too?

Well, as I wrote, if she decides to tell her, she can add that one sentence to the note and hope that the wife won't blab it out to anyone about who told her the truth... But that's her decision - whether she's willing to risk her job or not...

Life / Territorials - Polish National Guard [57]

Maybe those boy scouts know what they're doing... They could throw those cookies at Russians... As every Ziemkiewicz knows, Russians would be willing to live in mud huts and eat only potatoes so only Mother Russia could afford lots and lots of rockets... So, in case of a war with Poland Russians attacking Polish territory would be starving... They would throw themselves at those Diversion Cookies and Polish boy scouts would be able to capture them in a humanitarian way, because Russians would be, understandably, completely disarmed by the extra chocolate :))

Joking aside, I hope Polish kids won't have to fight enemies of Poland ever again... That's what army is for, and now - also Territorials...


I googled a bit because I was confused myself about what those Territorials are about and I found an article which explains it, I think. It's an interview with Col. Grzegorz Kaliciak, who was the commander of the defence of Karbala city hall in 2004 (there's a Polish film about it, btw). Now he's a commander in Territorials.

Territorials are Wojska Obrony Terytorialnej (Territorial Defence Force). It means they are to defend Polish territory, people and infrastructure in case of an armed conflict on Polish territory only and even then they'll be more of a support for the proper army forces, if I understood the interview correctly. If there's going to be no war on Polish territory (and I doubt it will come to this in our lifetime - hopefully not...) then it's going to be as Atch wrote - Territorials' main role will be helping out during floods, epidemics, etc. When my father visits a hospital he said a soldier stands in front of an entrance to the hospital and takes his temperature every time. I'm guessing he's a Territorial. I've also seen a fragment of a documentary about them and it seems they're also being trained to aid the police in the search for people in difficult terrain.

So, I guess Territorials are for people for whom taking part in real combat isn't a priority - you won't be sent on a mission to some God-forsaken country like Afghanistan, for example...

The interview:
defence24.pl/plk-kaliciak-zolnierz-ot-nigdy-nie-bedzie-specjalsem-wywiad


I don't think snipers have some kind of super eyesight - normal, healthy eyesight is enough... Snipers in the US army can even wear glasses. It's more about having particular character traits and, of course, being willing to do that kind of job, because it isn't easy...

Anyway, I hope that whatever career path in the military you'll chose, you'll succeed :) Good luck!

Love / Cheating from spouses. Is cheating very common in Poland ? [116]

Really? Why is that? After all, both the husband and wife are clients of the hotel...

But if that's the case I guess if she decides to tell her she can add to that note the following sentence:
"Please don't tell your husband who told you about it because I may get fired from the hotel for this."

Polish translation:
"Proszę nie mów swojemu mężowi kto Ci o tym powiedział, bo mogę za to stracić pracę w hotelu."

Love / Cheating from spouses. Is cheating very common in Poland ? [116]

The husband is the homewrecker, not her.

Adel (Amber?), write her a note in Polish - "Your husband has been cheating on you for many years. I've decided to tell you because you're a very nice person. I'm really sorry, I think you deserve better than this."

My translation to Polish:

Twój mąż zdradza Cię od wielu lat. Postanowiłam Ci o tym powiedzieć, bo jesteś bardzo miłą osobą. Bardzo mi przykro, uważam, że zasługujesz na coś lepszego.

Put that note in an envelope maybe and give it to her when the husband isn't around and make sure that she understands that this note is for her and it's important for her to read it.

If she's in her forties she still has a chance to find someone for herself. By not telling her you're wasting her time/life. I personally would prefer to know if my husband was cheating on me.

Guys, I've seen research showing that around 80% of wives who are being cheated on by their husbands never find out about it. So it's possibile that she doesn't know.

Joker, johnny reb, I think both of you are hypocrites. I bet that if your wives were cheating on you you would want to know. I have a feeling that you're cheaters yourselves and that is why you wrote such comments. Men like you make me sick, tbh.

Life / Territorials - Polish National Guard [57]

Pity he ended up being such a nutcase...

I remember there was an article about Territorials and PiS' plans behind that formation: "Fabryka oficerów Macierewicza" (Macierewicz's officers' factory).
And here's another one:
money.pl/gospodarka/wiadomosci/artykul/wot-mon-blaszczak-kadra-oficerska,3,0,2413827.html

Btw, Mr Grunwald, is there a particular type of forces you'd like to join?


Have you thought about becoming a sniper maybe?

Life / Polish Ice Hockey [17]

I think mafketis is right...
Also, I suspect it's the same as with figure skating - it's gravely underfunded, both are difficult sports, expensive and the eternal problem in Poland - very few ice rinks, especially good quality ones...

You can read an article about it here, I imagine pretty much the same thing can be said about ice hockey in Poland:

przegladsportowy.pl/sporty-zimowe/lyzwiarstwo/lyzwiarstwo-figurowe-w-polsce-umiera-przez-brak-pieniedzy/dm3g66q

Life / Territorials - Polish National Guard [57]

To be honest, when I first heard about plans for creating Territorials it sent chills down my spine - the way PiS behaved made my think that they were going to create their own fanatical and faithful militia that would be ready to quench any dissent in case the police or the army didn't agree to do it...


You know, pawian, when last year I was reading your farming thread I remember thinking that maybe you missed your calling and should've gone into the military - with your energy and zeal... I can easily imagine you digging trenches all day long with a smile on your face ;D


But there are less "regular" forces in the military...

History / Poland rightwingers` bonds with PRL communist regime [191]

@Vesko Vukovic, Of course that Russia is ready to invest money and other resources into changing governments (or keeping them), in media propaganda, in manipulating public opinion and so on - it has proven this more than once.

Also, you didn't do your research - RT has been available in Poland for quite some time now - I've had it already on two different cable TVs.

Love / Why do Polish guys stare a lot? And what does that mean? [14]


OK, first I'm going to write something for the sake of all the women out there dealing with Polish men.
It took me a while to realise this, but where I live men are doing something that I'd call "testing the waters". I don't know whether it's "a typical trait of Polish guys", I've never lived abroad, so I can't say, but I think it's possible that Polish men are less bold than men in some other countries. So, they often don't hit on you right away, first they try to make an eye contact to check if you're interested (I'm mainly talking about everyday situations - at work, at the store, at the doctor's, etc.). If you look away looking indifferent they interpret it as lack of interest and they can get sad, offended or angry even. It's sometimes small things that can put them off and you may get surprised how petty and vindictive men can get, so it's better to be careful, especially with co-workers who are higher on the hierarchy ladder at work.

And now I'm going to write something for the sake of Polish men out there.
If a woman doesn't seem to reciprocate your interest when you're giving her "the look", don't take it so personally. Do you know how many such looks women get? A lot. I'm guessing that the more attractive the woman is the more such looks she gets. We can't possibly date or get interested with every random guy that looks at us in the street, at work, at the store, at the dentist, etc. We don't smile not because we're b1tches or think we're too good for you, but because we don't want to encourage you to hit on us and get rejected and get hurt as result. Also, women have boyfriends, partners. The fact that she isn't wearing a ring doesn't mean that she's necessarily single. So, again, don't take it personally.

One guy in particular got stuck in my head. I was waiting for a visit at the dentist. He went out of the dentist's office, saw me and his face was immediately like "OMG, A WOMAN!" lol So I assumed my poker/indifferent b1tch face and pretended that I went back to my nap. He started to put his clothes on and when I looked at him again he looked like a puppy who got kicked in the stomach. He looked so sad, like he was thinking "I'm not going to get a woman ever in my life". I really felt sorry for him, I felt like hugging him almost and saying that he'll find someone for himself :/ Because of such reactions (and the angry, entitled ones) I get somewhat tense if there are men in a waiting room at the doctor's or other such places where you have no other choice but to look at other people. I don't want to hurt or offend anyone so I often pretend that I'm taking a nap or letting my eyes rest (my usual strategy lol).

There's another thing. Women can be shy too. And they often have a lot of complexes concerning their looks, especially Polish women apparently. We aren't telepaths so more than just one look may be needed to make us realise that you're interested. Don't give up so easily, guys.


Ask people at work who know him what happened to him and whether they can help you to contact him.

Genealogy / What are common Polish character traits? [425]

No probs, Torq. I've been around here for all this time more or less so I know what's going on in here...

Genealogy / What are common Polish character traits? [425]

@Torq, johnny_reb is a Polish-American... But a special kind... A sociopathic kind :) Don't try to keep track of his claims and opinions, views, etc. or it will then get very confusing... and frustrating :))

Genealogy / What are common Polish character traits? [425]


Johnny, now calm down, read my comment again, slowly, and then get back to me and tell me where did I write that you don't like or like something.

All I did was pointing out the hipocrysy of ultra-patriots (including yours, btw - because you often attacked Harry and others for being "anti-Polish" so spare me this self-righteous indignation now, please :)).


That was what I and other Poles were called by the British here in the past. Minus the "Pollack". By the same Brits you deplore so much and call "anti-Polish".

FYI.

@Thanks, Atch, but I'm probably too "borderline normal" to spend extended periods of time on this forum :) I have low tolerance for stupidity and all kinds of other things that are going on here. Maybe I'll visit from time to time though.

I won't write what this forum has always needed because I'd probably get a ban for that :))

Genealogy / What are common Polish character traits? [425]

Oh, yes, what would we have done without them??

Btw, thanks, Torq, I had fun lol You and pawian are becoming my favourites on PF :) This place really needed some humour... (and the return of "the old guard", apparently :))

Genealogy / What are common Polish character traits? [425]

Spot on, Torq, we Poles are simple people, it's just all too complicated and confusing for us, I'm afraid... lol

Genealogy / What are common Polish character traits? [425]

Atch, I'm afraid I don't know whether you're being honest or ironic British/Irish style... I'm Polish, you'll have to forgive me... :))

Genealogy / What are common Polish character traits? [425]

Haha, Torq... lol I'm afraid you're not being obvious enough for our johnny here... It's probably because of his Polish genes... Poor fella...

Atch, maybe you have some Polish roots too that you don't know about? :))


Lol We do, terri. You have quite a bit of display of irony and sarcasm by pawian and Torq on PF lately. Haven't you noticed? Or maybe you don't get it? ;)

As for that football player it is possible that you didn't indicate with your tone of voice that you're being sarcastic or that someone who was at that moment emotionally invested in the game didn't catch on it. Did you speak in English?

There may be some cultural differences too - Poles are more direct and upfront than the English, they don't veil everything so much.
To be honest, terri, your comment looks pretty prejudiced/ignorant to me. I don't know of any nation that wouldn't get irony. In my discussions with Russians, for example, I've noticed that they often employ irony and sarcasm in their responses to Russophobia.

Btw, you know what's really ironic, guys? If it was Harry, delph, Dougpol or jon who would write such comments like johnny_reb or Rich Mazur about Poles in this thread they would be labelled as Pole-haters and told to gtfo from Poland if they don't like it and Poles so much, etc. etc. It would be the same if such comments were written by a "libtard" Pole - the difference would be probably that he or she would be also called a traitor.

So where are the ultra-patriots now? All I can hear is crickets and all I can see is tumbleweeds rolling across the street... :)