Love / How do Polish men feel about gender equality? [780]


Control what and be held responsible for what? And again - do you have any proof for that claim? Any percentage, statistics, polls, research confirming this?


She must be lovely, dolno... :) But I guess good men end up with good women :))

Love / How do Polish men feel about gender equality? [780]


Haha... dolno... lol I don't have any problem with you as far as attitude towards women goes, so, yes, you can join my team :))


Gee, why am I not surprised... lol But thank you at least for admitting it. I wish more misogynists were more... open... about what they really think, like you :)


1. Unlike men? You have any proof for that claim?
2. You're a funny man, Rich. First you advocate for women to stay home and men to work and now you claim that when those stay-at-home women spend the money of their working husbands they're somehow "evil/immoral"? Logic doesn't seem to be your forte.

Love / How do Polish men feel about gender equality? [780]

@Lenka, you're welcome :) By now I've learned to double check whatever Rich is writing.


Johnny_reb, I'm deeply moved by your and Rich's genuine care for the fate of women and I'm greatly impressed by your profound insight into the plight and quality of their life during the times when they had no right to vote and nowadays. Your selfless attitude has inspired me to better myself and care more about the fate of men in return! Therefore, I've come to a conclusion that men should be stripped of their voting rights. Yes, sir, you're reading it right! No voting rights for men! If it was so great when 50% of the adults in the society had no voting rights, I'm sure it can be great again, but this time - with men not being allowed to vote. I think men should be able to experience the bliss of not having to decide about the fate of the country they're living in. Also, it would probably be better if they didn't work outside the house either. Men are so overworked and stressed out by work nowadays that more and more of them have problems with "getting it up" or simply don't want to have sex altogether. So, stay-at-home dads sound like a great idea, right? I'm sure they'll fall in love instantly with cooking, cleaning and taking care of kids 24/7 for the rest of their fascinating lives :) I would also go a bit further than you and say that men shouldn't be allowed not only to smoke but also to drink alcohol. Both are unhealthy and alcohol destroyed so many families - I'm sure you'll agree! Of course, since, we, the women, will be the only ones bringing the money home, you, men, will have to repay us by being our wh0res in the bedroom :)

How do you like my ideas? You aren't hypocrite, so I'm sure you're loving it, right??


I wasn't asking about competing in sports, I asked whether you recognize that women are as good as men morally. You wrote that you're recognizing how equally evil women are. Are they also equally as good as men then, according to you?


No, it isn't pointless, because if both parents work and after work they're equally tired, but only one of them is doing all the house chores and is taking care of their children then it's simply unfair and exhausting. And if the husband expects "rose petals and passionate sex" then he should relieve his wife by doing his share at home too, so she wouldn't be so "desperate not to fall asleep in the process".


I've posted those links to show you and other right-wing men that it's not only women who are pro-abortion, but also men. Especially Rich likes to write how evil women are for being in favour of having the right to abortion. However, those polls show that in Poland, which is a Catholic, conservative country, not only majority of men are pro-abortion and supported womens' protests, but also more men than women are in favour. How do you explain this?

Btw, Spike31, you don't have to convince me about anything because I'm against abortion "on a whim", not only for religious, but mainly for ethical reasons.

Love / How do Polish men feel about gender equality? [780]

Rich, how about recognizing how equally good women are? Are you even capable of that?


I don't know about the US, but in Canada:

news.uoguelph.ca/2015/10/new-study-compares-mothers-fathers-who-kill-their-children/


It matters though, since if you know why, you can prevent it. Women are more likely to experience psychiatric illness after childbirth than at any other time in their life (Kendell et al, 1987). In the month following childbirth, women are up to 25 times more likely to become psychotic (Marks, 1996).


I remember reading an article showing poll results stating that in Poland more men support abortion than women.
Also more men than women supported the latest protests against changing the abortion law in Poland:

rp.pl/Spor-o-aborcje/201109951-Sondaz-Polacy-popieraja-protesty-Glownie-mezczyzni.html

Rich, in Poland there's something called "Niebieska Karta" (The Blue Card):

pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niebieska_Karta_(procedura)

It documents the history of domestic violence in a family over the years and is seen as evidence in court during divorce, for example. And molesting your child is a serious crime - the child has to be questioned by a specialized psychologist to determine whether the accusations are true. Isn't it the case also in the US?

Love / How do Polish men feel about gender equality? [780]


Yes, you did: postpartum psychosis:

healthychildren.org/English/ages-stages/prenatal/delivery-beyond/Pages/Understanding-Motherhood-and-Mood-Baby-Blues-and-Beyond.aspx

"The symptoms of postpartum psychosis typically begin during the first 4 weeks after delivery and may include:
(...)
Thoughts of hurting yourself, your baby, or others"

I'm not sure what does it have to do with your false claim that men only kill but women also torture their victims?


And do you want me to write about how only fathers (and men in general) rape little kids to the point they bleed to death or need stitching?

Whatever you find - I can find something similar or even worse. But what's the point? Do you really want to go there?

Love / How do Polish men feel about gender equality? [780]


No, your post was much more general than that:


So - as I wrote before: bullsh1t.

Love / How do Polish men feel about gender equality? [780]

Iron, if you see it this way, then it's your problem. Maybe you have some kind of chip on your shoulder, I don't know. Perhaps you should take your own advice: "Talk with a shrink I think you need one."

And what is the "right" way of giving examples of fathers killing their own children? lol Please, enlighten me.


Another bullsh1t. There's plenty of examples of male serial killers torturing their victims and even getting sexual excitement from it. How f*cked up is that, Rich?

Love / How do Polish men feel about gender equality? [780]


You're welcome.


No, Iron, I've left many of Rich's idiotic, untruthful, unfair comments about women on this forum without a reaction and enough is enough. You've argued with him too on this forum, so you can do it, but I can't? I have the same rights on this forum as you do, so you wake up.

Love / How do Polish men feel about gender equality? [780]


Iron, are you high on something?
It's a normal response. Rich wrote that he doesn't "know of any man who would murder his own small kids, with full premeditation, because he felt bad that day". So I gave him an example of such a man. Then Lenka gave another example. Then I gave another.

So, now Rich knows of three such men. There are more such examples but I think it's enough.

Love / How do Polish men feel about gender equality? [780]


As usual you're hysterically yapping and offending people without reading the whole discussion, apparently. It was our response to Rich's comment:



OMG... Lenka... ;D You and kaprys are the best lol

News / Hołownia - a rising star in Polish politics? [94]


And a cool wife - a MiG-29 jet fighter pilot and a first lieutenant in the Polish Air Force!


And me :)

Love / How do Polish men feel about gender equality? [780]


I haven't heard about this one, but this case immediately comes to my mind:

dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2224977/Father-stabbed-people-including-wife-children-death-island-Jersey-jailed-30-years.html

He stabbed his little son 13 times... Jesus... He didn't kill himself though...


I'm sure to people like you it does matter... lol

Love / How do Polish men feel about gender equality? [780]


Not all, but in Poland majority of them are (probably simply because they were raised like this) and it looks like you and some other men would like it to stay that way.

I didn't need to see those statistics because I live here and I know this from real life... but I'm posting them for those male supremacists who live in their American La La Land where women spend their husbands' money away and are more violent than men by attacking them with their 2-inch stilettos... lol

CBOS research from 2018 - table on page 2 compares data for years 2002, 2006, 2013 and 2018:

cbos.pl/SPISKOM.POL/2018/K_127_18.PDF

House chores in Poland in 2018:

cooking - only women - 65%
washing dishes - only women - 56%
cleaning - only women - 61%
thorough cleaning (washing windows, beating the rugs, etc.) - only women - 57%
doing the laundry - only women - 82%
ironing - only women - 81%
everyday shopping - only women - 37%

In addition it's mainly women who take care of children here. You also have to take into account the fact that majority of women work in Poland (not "some", but majority).

So, to sum it up - women work, cook, clean, are doing the laundry, take care of children, etc... and what men do?


Paw, you're seriously my personal hero right now... :)
Btw, my mother, who's from countryside, always repeated that I should learn to cook so I could cook for my husband. She never told my brother that he should learn to cook too. The irony of this is that he learned to cook before me... in the army lol So it was the army that taught him this basic life skill and not my mother. Go figure... And good that he did learn, because his wife doesn't exactly excel at cooking ;)) I think his time in the army made him more independent in general and thanks to this he isn't such a momma's boy like many men here are, who can't (or are unwilling) to do anything around the house.

Has anyone seen that show "Tata w tarapatach" ("Dad in trouble")? A grown man doesn't know how to operate a washing machine and how to do the laundry - his 5-year-old daughter had to help him... Pathetic...


You know very little about this world then. Try watching one of those crime and investigation channels. One case from Australia that shocked the whole country - a father killed his little daughter to get back at his ex-wife (there were also his sons in the car, but he chose the girl):

dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1375624/Australian-man-threw-daughter-bridge-jailed-32-years.html

Btw, the child survived the fall at first, as far as I remember, but died later on - they couldn't save her...

Life / Vandalism in Poland: Has it always been this way? [80]

And the fact that a vandal interprets rainbow colours on a bench as some kind of LGBT statement isn't a proof of anything yet either.

Life / Vandalism in Poland: Has it always been this way? [80]

And what does "F*ck Kaczyński" prove? That he's gay?? :D

Life / Vandalism in Poland: Has it always been this way? [80]


From what I know one got destroyed and at least two were painted in Kielce's colours:

wydarzenia.interia.pl/swietokrzyskie/news-kielce-teczowe-lawki-zniszczone,nId,4941068

ttps://kielce.naszemiasto.pl/nie-daja-spokoju-teczowym-laweczkom-w-kielcach-tym-razem-je/ga/c1-8070231/zd/58939411

Btw, before the first one got ripped off someone wrote on it in one handwriting:

"F*ck LGBT
F*ck faggots
F*ck the police
F*ck PiS
F*ck Kaczyński"

I guess someone hates many people lol

Life / Vandalism in Poland: Has it always been this way? [80]

Rich, you asked, so I found out for you - who those people are and what was their idea behind those benches. I'm not in their heads so I don't know whether they were being truthful or not with their explanations. 1300 people voted for the project, the benches are nice and colourful, so I like them. And I live here and I want the city to look nice, obviously. You don't live here, so I can't say I care what you think about those benches or the idea behind them, tbh.


Gays should take the song "Over the Rainbow" as their anthem... lol "Sooomewhere ooover the rainbow..." :D

Life / Vandalism in Poland: Has it always been this way? [80]


Not according to the initiators of the project :) I posted two links, you know Polish, you can read them. Did you read them?

Life / Vandalism in Poland: Has it always been this way? [80]


The idea behind the rainbow benches? "To make the public space more colourful" - according to what's written in the project itself:

budzetobywatelski.kielce.eu/zobacz-szczegoly-projektu-po-ocenie-komisji-1400791644-1400794443-70771294596c0eacd1e05dacc993220c.htmlfbclid=IwAR1K27dqsKBIpO7UsoPat3n2QQ5vYUM7q60zX1ouy5veUd5zhy6CiPGBTxg

Everything is explained in more detail in this article:

kielce.naszemiasto.pl/teczowe-laweczki-w-kielcach-co-mowia-inicjatorzy-projektu/ar/c1-7414550

The initiators of the project are a group of friends, young, private people, not any organisation, who would like to stop people from leaving Kielce. I know what they're talking about - I remember quite a few years ago I took a taxi and the taxi driver was complaining about young people leaving Kielce. He said: "Soon only old farts like me will live in this city". It's probably more women leaving my city than men, because there are less women than men here, which is unusual considering that in Poland in general there are more women than men.

Quote from the initiators of the project:
"Kielce is gray and we should make it joyful, more colourful, more infantile. (...) Rainbow is simply beautiful and we should be able to see it more often, not only after the storm."

Btw, besides the benches the project included waste segregation bins, bicycle holders, bowls for dogs, planting trees, etc. but everyone focused on the benches because of the colours. The initiators seem to be surprised that this became such a "national problem".

1300 people voted for the project.


Haha, don't be silly... ;D I can take it ;) What is it? "The Pogrom City"? "Scyzorykville"? ;)))
(Yes, I'm from Kielce :))

I think I messed up the first link, so I'll post it again:

budzetobywatelski.kielce.eu/zobacz-szczegoly-projektu-po-ocenie-komisji-1400791644-1400794443-70771294596c0eacd1e05dacc993220c.html?fbclid=IwAR1K27dqsKBIpO7UsoPat3n2QQ5vYUM7q60zX1ouy5veUd5zhy6CiPGBTxg

Btw, as for scyzoryki...:

kielce.naszemiasto.pl/teczowe-laweczki-w-kielcach-i-szokujace-slowa-ksiedza-w/ar/c1-7412394

Life / Vandalism in Poland: Has it always been this way? [80]

Those colourful benches were a citizens' project approved by the city - in the same way a parking lot near my block of flats got renovated (enough people had to sign the petition).

Pawian, Kielce is a city, not a town (even if it's provincial ;)). Btw, what kind of bad reputation Kielce is being haunted by? (I won't get offended, I'm just curious)

Love / Cheating from spouses. Is cheating very common in Poland ? [116]

I'm sorry, guys, but I'm not Chairman Kaczyński and I can't be convinced that black is white and white is black. Everyone who is being cheated on simply has the right to know that the're being cheated on. Who gave YOU the right to take that right away from them? It's their right to know and it's up to them what they're going to do with that knowledge. It's not up to us to decide in such situation what's best for them, for their marriage or their children. The're adults and it's their life (and they have only ONE life), their marriage and their children. And their right to know.

You know what all this talk about "sticking your nose in where it does not belong" reminds me? People who say, for example, that domestic violence (which is a bad thing too) is "family business" and when some psychopath is beating the crap out of his wife and kids other people (neighbours, the police) should look the other way because "it's not their business". You know what kind of people say such things, right? Usually those who, as Joker put it, have some skeletons in their closets - who like to beat the crap out of their wives and kids themselves. I think you can imagine what I think about them and their opinions?

Another thing - I really doubt that you would react the same way as towards Adel if it was a guy who would come here asking how to tell a man he knows and likes that he's being cheated on by his "slutty" wife in the most "creative" ways and this very nice guy seems to be totally unaware of what she's doing. Would you also be writing stuff like that you "pity" the male poster, would you be writing about "minding his own business", calling him "a self appointed busy body", "a self appointed home wrecker" and asking him what his "pet sin" is? Would you give a guy the same "warm" welcome if it was about a "slutty" cheating wife? Yeah, I don't think so.

@Joker, there would be nothing to "meddle with". I'm a hardcore monogamist - I can't help it even if I wanted to, I guess I'm "wired" this way. I've never cheated on anyone in my life. I've also never been "the other woman". So no skeletons in my closet, sorry to disappoint you :)


lol Iron, you never give up, do you? :D

I'll try to comment on the rest some other time, I have no time for all of this right now.

Love / Cheating from spouses. Is cheating very common in Poland ? [116]

@johnny reb, how would I "shame" you by writing what I think after reading your comments to Adel? Your and Joker's reactions to Adel's post were too emotional and agressive. Adel is clearly a decent person who'd like to do the right thing. Cheating on your spouse is a bad thing. Telling someone that they are being cheated on is a good thing. So, such knee-jerk reaction on your part (attacking Adel) looked weird and suspicious to me. It's likely to mean you identify yourselves with that cheating husband because you're cheaters yourselves - this is a simple psychological mechanism. The other reason for your reaction may be that you're identifying yourselves with the children because your parents got divorced, but, tbh, I suspect that the first option is more likely...

I'm not fishing for anything - you mentioned your wife at least twice on this forum, then some time later you wrote about some woman in her forties, I think, who was interested in you and you were thinking that maybe you'll go for it, lately you wrote that you're looking for a friend for post-pandemic orgies... lol I don't know if you're married or divorced and to be honest whatever you would write on this matter - I wouldn't believe you with such track record so what's the point of fishing?

I didn't infer anything, I've asked you a simple question that you avoided to answer. You wrote that things must work differently in Poland than in the US. You suggested that someone who would tell another person that they're being cheated on would have their nose broken for that or even worse. That's why I asked you that question - whether you'd break your buddy's nose for telling you that your wife is cheating on you. Or maybe you meant sth else - that in the US Adel would get her nose broken by the cheating husband for telling the truth to his wife?

As to your question - I've already answered it in post nr 40. Do you have a memory of a butterfly?

Wow, drinking, seriously? lol I've noticed that people like to accuse others on PF of drinking during posting, but you couldn't choose a worse target for this. No, I didn't drink - the only alcohol I drink is a glass or two of champagne on New Year's Eve, sorry :)

I was simply sleepy and as I use my phone as an alarm clock and keep it beside my pillow I was writing on my phone. I don't know how to quote on my phone for the life of me either, so I'm sorry if I wasn't "sharp" enough for you while being half asleep and in a hurry to end this increasingly pointless exchange... Even now I can't be bothered to turn on my computer so sorry for lack of quotes and any spelling mistakes...

Love / Cheating from spouses. Is cheating very common in Poland ? [116]

@johnny, it's late and I'm getting too sleepy to deal with your sudden "amnesia" and playing dumb. That's really lame even for you...

My question was - if your buddy told you your wife was cheating on you, would you break his nose for telling you about this or not? Act like an adult and answer the question already.

I wrote that I have a feeling that you and Joker are cheaters. That it's my gut feeling. I never wrote that I know this for sure.

As for women cheating only for sex then how am I supposed to know if it's as much of a betrayal for men too? I'm not a man. You tell me...

Love / Cheating from spouses. Is cheating very common in Poland ? [116]

Ah, I didn't notice that Ironside got involved in the discussion and I addressed johnny_reb twice instead of Ironside by mistake - sorry about that...

Love / Cheating from spouses. Is cheating very common in Poland ? [116]

*break your buddy's nose, sorry lol

and fundamentals, not foundaments, I guess

Love / Cheating from spouses. Is cheating very common in Poland ? [116]


Where does it say in the article?

Johnny reb, I doubt I'd complain about people on the bus telling me that I'm being pickpocketed or if I didn't have to talk a witness of a car accident into waiting for the police after she saw a driver hitting a young girl after he didn't stop at the lights... I meant stuff like this. No, I wouldn't complain about people being "oppressively suffocating" then. Would you?

That's basic human decency in a civic society, imho.

And don't be lame, noone informed me about me being cheated on and I've never been cheated on (as far as I know, of course). I wrote that my experiences had nothing to do with cheating.


OK, johnny, I do think that you're hypocrites and probably cheaters too. I'm basing this on your first reactions to Adel's post. The fact that you're not even willing to answer my question about your buddy' s broken nose proves you're a hypocrite. I have no proof that your're a cheater, obviously, that's my gut feeling based on your reaction to Adel's post and your behaviour on this forum.

Now, your turn. Would you brake your buddy's nose or not? No weaseling out this time.

Btw, I'm not going to get involved into an endless discussion about differences between men's and women's cheating. Marriage is about sex too. It's one of it's foundaments. So even if it's "only" about sex for men - it doesn't matter - it's still a betrayal and it hurts. And, yes, I was talking about one night stands (you mentioned a bar yourself) and everything else.

Love / Cheating from spouses. Is cheating very common in Poland ? [116]

@johnny reb, if you googled it then what's the percentage in case of husbands? How many of them don't know?

As far as going to a bar - for women such kind of adventure may not be very safe and probably not very satisfying. Also, unlike prostitutes, men talk... Someone she knows may see her in the bar, etc. etc.

You know what, I think that by claiming that you would know about your wife's cheating you're trying to weasel out from answering my question.

Would you brake your buddy's nose or not? Simple question.

"you know how weak us males are when it comes to younger women in their prime." - I do know, so don't go on and tell me that I'm "a feminist of the worst kind and think the worst of men", etc., because you know very well what I'm talking about...

Love / Cheating from spouses. Is cheating very common in Poland ? [116]

@johnny reb, me being a victim of social apathy explains why I care for other people being in similar situation when other people are too indifferent to react.

Well, I think I trust more a research than your guessing and I think it's a bit of a wishful thinking on your part that you would know if your wife was cheating on you...

Maybe the percentage would be similar in case of husbands being cheated on and not knowing about it - I don't know, I haven't seen such research. Men do have more opportunities though, I think - with all those brothels around and sites where you can order prostitutes like pizza :)

So, johnny reb, what you're saying is that, if you were being cheated on by your wife and you wouldn't know about it because your "slutty" wife would be so "creative" about it, and your buddy would come to you and tell you what's going on, instead of thanking him you would brake his nose??

Love / Cheating from spouses. Is cheating very common in Poland ? [116]

@Lenka, I wouldn't mind if a complete stranger approached me about sth like this. I'd be very grateful because I've seen how indifferent or cowardly or lazy people can be and they don't intervene when sth bad is happening - I was also a victim of such indifference/cowardice/social apathy. It didn't have anything to do with cheating, but it can make you lose faith in people.

Now imagine the wife finds out when she's after 50 or 60... (whole life wasted) or when she contracts some nasty venereal disease from her husband...

I understand what you're saying, there's always a small chance (20%) that she knows, but if her husband's cheating isn't "extremely painful and embarrassing" enough for her to dump him, then I doubt she'd die from shame if someone told her about it...

Pity that the wife doesn't know English - she could try to find out for sure then if she knows about cheating or not...

If that story is even real, that is, and we're not being trolled... :)


Then I'd rather my husband didn't visit your hotel ;))

@cms neuf, then I guess - your hotel - your rules, my hotel - my rules :)

@johnny reb, what about the kids? You think I'd want my mother to be married to a cheater? Besides, the pair could go to counseling and that could help their marriage - not everyone divorces over cheating.


Hypocrites. Come on, don't tell me you wouldn't want to know that your wife is cheating on you.

And as I wrote already - 80% of wives who are being cheated on never get to know. Men have their ways to hide this stuff, trust me, their impunity can be astounding...

Love / Cheating from spouses. Is cheating very common in Poland ? [116]

I don't see it as "messing" with someone's private life in such circumstances - the wife has been her hotel's client for years and it looks like she's grown to like her... For me ignoring sth like that, especially in such situation, is simply cold and cruel. I think there are some limits to being "professional". I wouldn't take such decision lightly and it wouldn't be easy for me to tell someone about sth like that, but I hope I would have the guts to do it. I personally definitely wouldn't fire anyone for something like that.