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Warsaw Rising 1944 - National Disaster or Triumph of Spirit ?


delphiandomine  86 | 17823
2 Oct 2019   #271
About 80% of the city and Germans have still not returned many Polish historical artefacts that they stole.

I had a chat with one expert in this field, and she reckons that a large amount of it ended up in the USA after the war. It seems to be backed up by the way that stuff keeps appearing for auction over there...
OP pawian  221 | 25287
5 Oct 2019   #272
Hmm, the reason might be different - the robbed items surface in American auctions more frequently coz owners are not aware of the origin of what they want to sell. In Europe it might be different - owners keep their dubious belongings to themselves and rarely show them to public in fear of consequences.
OP pawian  221 | 25287
1 Aug 2020   #273
I was waiting till now to see if all those mock "Poles" who boast of their immense patriotism and love for Poland will mention the anniversary. No, they didn`t. Shame on them.

The march organised by nationalist groups is passing through Warsaa centre.
The German embassy lowered its flag.


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Mr Grunwald  33 | 2133
1 Aug 2020   #274
@pawian
I was busy helping out the family and commemorating it with a good meal.
Good initiative Pawian
1-0 to Pawian
OP pawian  221 | 25287
1 Aug 2020   #275
Here`s a list of Polish celebrities who fought in the Warsaw Rising.

plejada.pl/zdjecia-gwiazd/ii-wojna-swiatowa-zakonczyla-sie-75-lat-temu-te-gwiazdy-walczyly-na-froncie/cxg72nv#slajd-4

E.g.,
Alina Janowska - Poles must know her from Wojna Domowa series or Moralność Pani Dulskiej film.

She was arrested on the night of 23 April 1942, accused of collaborating with the underground and helping a Jewish family. She was imprisoned for 7 months in Pawiak in Warsaw.[3] She was a member of the Warsaw Uprising, acting as a liaison official for the Battalion "Kiliński"


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OP pawian  221 | 25287
1 Aug 2020   #276
The march


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OP pawian  221 | 25287
1 Aug 2020   #277
About 1000 Warsaw insurgents still live.


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Crow  154 | 9303
1 Aug 2020   #278
Triumph of Spirit ?

Triumph.

But to those who organized WWII it was a mere social experiment. As we all are.
jon357  73 | 23112
1 Aug 2020   #279
it was a mere social experiment.

It wasn't.
delphiandomine  86 | 17823
2 Aug 2020   #280
The march

Wow, people still wear those "patriotic" clothes.
kaprys  3 | 2076
2 Aug 2020   #282
There are posts on Facebook (and probably on other social media )that try to ridicule the W hour in Warsaw. They say that the decision to start the uprising was a tragic one.

Personally, I think people want to pay their respects to the victims and survivors. That's how I feel about it.
OP pawian  221 | 25287
3 Aug 2020   #283
the decision to start the uprising

Well, we have discussed it in this thread since the very beginning. Some people support Warsaw Rising as a Triumph of Spirit, other condemn it as a disaster.
OP pawian  221 | 25287
1 Aug 2022   #284
if all those mock "Poles" who boast of their immense patriotism and love for Poland will mention the anniversary. No, they didn`t.

That`s the comment from last year. It seems I will post it every year. :(:(:( "Patriots", where are you?

A few photos from the Rising - female participants


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Novichok  5 | 7885
2 Aug 2022   #285
If my task was to write the stupidest thing on the subject of the Warsaw Uprising, I would write this:

To prevent the Red Army from occupying more of Germany and to make sure Germans who just killed 17% of Poland's population felt better when the war was over, it was good and proper to pull off a suicidal stunt in Warsaw in August 1944 that led to the death of 200,000 Poles and the city in ruins.

The short version of the above: I should die now so Germans are happier later.

That's what one poster here claimed as one of the reasons for this idiocy.

Patriots and heroes die first. Often referred to as useful idiots or tools.
Cojestdocholery  2 | 986
2 Aug 2022   #286
Only cowards and thugs are wise, just pick bones of those falled idiots and sh't on them with their usful skills as liars, thieves and chancers.
Novichok  5 | 7885
2 Aug 2022   #287
There are two kinds of heroes: (1) firemen who risk their lives to save others and (2) those who risk their lives for ideas and don't give a damn how many die along with them.

We mourn when the good heroes die. We should celebrate when the idiots do.
Cojestdocholery  2 | 986
2 Aug 2022   #288
Go to Arlington Cemetery and sh't at all those idiots.
Novichok  5 | 7885
2 Aug 2022   #289
They don't bury there private volunteers like those a-holes who go to Ukraine. They bury there those who were drafted by force and those who enlisted voluntariiy, took a chance and lost. They didn't pick and choose their missions and causes. They were doing what they were told.

Their deaths are regrettable outcomes of the insane policies coming from DC.

These are not the people I have a problem with. I have a big problem with private zealots that kill for principle or for a "cause", not to defend their own. AK was not defending anyone. All they had to do is wait and watch the Germans run. In that sense, AK was the aggressor.
Cojestdocholery  2 | 986
2 Aug 2022   #290
All they had to do is wait and watch the Germans run.

That is the reason they say that ignorance is a bliss. You are ignorant as to facts and that let you think up imaginary scenario.
Novichok  5 | 7885
2 Aug 2022   #291
There was only one thing that mattered - my 2-year-old ass. I almost died because of that stupid uprising. The rest was irrelevant crap and just another game of chess. What the idiots overlooked was that the Soviets are much better as chess players. So AK and 200,000 Poles lost.

While I am on the subject...Memo to the Germans who didn't let me starve and took me to safety: Thank you, guys.
Cojestdocholery  2 | 986
2 Aug 2022   #292
I almost died because of that stupid uprising.

See and you claim it was stupid. It was good for humanity. Germans recognized evil in you and came to your rescue.
Novichok  5 | 7885
2 Aug 2022   #293
It was good for humanity.

What was?

Germans recognized evil in you and came to your rescue.

I didn't care what Germans recognized. I cared when I recognized food and the roof over my head.

Humanity could then and can now go to hell as far as I and my "loved ones" are concerned. Would you put your life on the line for "humanity"? That was a rhetorical question. I hope you are not as stupid as your debating buddy.
Cojestdocholery  2 | 986
2 Aug 2022   #294
What was?

your early demise.

I didn't care what Germans recognized.

I'm sure you don't care about a reason. That is not what I'm talking about.
Novichok  5 | 7885
3 Aug 2022   #295
I am going to shock you...I said it all on this subject and have nothing to add. If you want to be cute I am cool with that. There is always pawian...
mafketis  38 | 10989
3 Aug 2022   #296
I said it all on this subject and have nothing to add

A likely story.....
OP pawian  221 | 25287
22 Aug 2022   #297
There is always pawian..

Present!

A new monument is unvelied every two, three years. . This one honours the youngest insurgent - Wojciech Zalewski, aged 11.
pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wojciech_Zalewski_(powstaniec_warszawski)

After the outbreak of the Warsaw Uprising on August 1, 1944, he volunteered as a liaison officer for the 3rd platoon of Major Sgt. "Grzesia" - 5th company - 2nd Battalion "Lech Grzybowski" - Group "Chrobry II" - 1st District "Radwan" (Śródmieście) of the Home Army (he was the youngest soldier of the assault group of Sergeant "Grzes"). Despite his young age, he gained recognition from his comrades-in-arms when, on August 2, he broke through the German lines to the heavily manned Main Railway Station , from where he returned with a report about the forces, type of armament and grouping of enemy troops.

He died on August 21, 1944. His body was pulled out from under German fire by his comrades-in-arms, which was recorded by filmmakers from the Information and Propaganda Bureau of the Home Army Headquarters . The insurgent funeral of Wojtek Zalewski took place in the yard of the house at ul. Ceglana 3 [1] . After the war, his body was not found and exhumed.


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Lyzko  41 | 9604
22 Aug 2022   #298
At the risk of repeating myself, clearly the Warsaw UPrising,was a triumph of the spirit, no two ways about it.
Cojestdocholery  2 | 986
22 Aug 2022   #299
There is nothing to commemorate victory over red Russia in 1920.
jon357  73 | 23112
22 Aug 2022   #300
There is nothing to commemorate

There is currently a competition organised by the city to design such a monument for erection in Warsaw.

There are also monuments relating to individual battles in that war. They are in several cities.

This is however a thread about another matter; the Warsaw Uprising. Why not start a thread about the 1920 war if that interests you.


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