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Poles organized the first strike in US in 1619


ConstantineK 26 | 1,299
6 Sep 2010 #61
People who pretend like you that Stalin changed something for their country are simply lazy, betraying, worthless piece of scum which haven't died under his regime just because of their nature - being a scum. Stalin liked thoughless, brainless, scum-looking and thinking homo sovetici which (not who!) still bog down most of the former republics of the Soviet Union.

Ho-ho, your wish for generalisation, Nathan, is excusable. It is natural for human to generalize everything in rush. But please stop for a moment and try to think. Why you blame leaders in everything? Submarine sunk - it is Putin, summer heat and fires - it is Medvedev whom you blame? You are like children, by Jesus!

Sure it is not the same with Stalin and I cannot deny all his... mistakes. But in the same time you should take into account position of Soviet Union in those time, open attempt of GB, France and Poland to set Germany against Soviet Union, general tension in the political sphere of this time. Blame GB, France and Poland, they have started this war.

How can one call a genius someone who caused starvation of 10,000,000 Ukrainians

mmm, Ukranians? What is this? Is it people who lives "на Украине"?

How can one call a genius someone

Easily, believe me Nathan.
jeden - | 226
6 Sep 2010 #62
washington slaveholder??;)
For Stalin all of you were slaves, people who admire him are really crazy. If you were my friend and told me that stalin is your idol, I would hit you in the face.
ConstantineK 26 | 1,299
6 Sep 2010 #63
Ha! You see, you see!!! Here you can observe typical, blindfolded pattern of western propaganda! He cannot think by himself, he uses cliche only. He cannot even perceive that human never will be a onecolour being. That even tyrants has their own positive sides! And besides this breed of people are aggressive, they are even prepared to force you to take their point of view! I wouldn't wonder that someday they will burn people only for slight difference in opinion.

My dear, there is one simple truth, the man who kills the dragon gradually turns into dragon himself. You should keep your feelings in check. And even Hitler has his right to be viewed from both sides.
Nathan 18 | 1,349
6 Sep 2010 #64
Why you blame leaders in everything? Submarine sunk - it is Putin, summer heat and fires - it is Medvedev whom you blame?

Read my post like you are willing to understand English and then try not to turn their meaning around.

mmm, Ukranians? What is this? Is it people who lives "на Украине"?

It is: "Who are they?" and they were Ukrainians as an ethnic group.
Here is an article I have recently read about Holodomor. The full you may read from the link I provided below; the second is Google translation:

In addition to the arguments being made by prominent lawyers, I would still stay on the facts, which shun those who deny the special swing famine in Ukraine. In particular - the Russian part of Ukrainian historians and politicians stresses: famine swept the entire USSR, and from it equally affected all nations. Of course, you can not deny the criminal nature of the Stalinist regime, and that victims were most people who lived in the communist empire. It is known that from hunger died and representatives of other nations. However, the scale of losses in various nations differ significantly. It's enough to analyze the data that became available recently obtained by the Soviet census of 1926 and 1937. If the number of Russians within the Soviet Union during these eleven years INCREASED by 20%, Ukrainians DECREASED by 15% (from 31 to 26 million). Out of ten most numerous peoples of the USSR Kazakhs too suffered huge population losses - 28%.They also have every reason to raise the issue of genocide, organized by Moscow.

If you accept the view that equally affected all nations, it is not clear why the borders were blocked between Russia and Ukraine, who were in one state. There are many documented recollections of eyewitnesses who described the ban to leave the famine affected areas and move to Russia, where the situation was not good, but hunger is not reached this level. Nowadays there is discovered directive letter of 22 January 1933, prepared personally by Stalin, in which he ordered to prevent a massive exodus of peasants from Ukraine and Kuban (region in Russian Federation heavily populated by Ukrainians since XVII-XVIII centuries) in other regions of the USSR. Pursuant to this document to give local leaders have denied any travel documents for the peasants, however, setting the curtains on the railway and water transport, as well as taking control of soil roads.

Without the ability to travel outside Ukraine, people roamed this country. This is how a foreign communist who visited Ukraine while the territory was covered by the famine: "Dirty crowds filling station, heaps of men, women and children, waiting for God knows what train. They are chased away, but they return without having neither money nor tickets. They sit down at any train which stops and remain there until they are thrown out. They are silent and passive. Where are they heading? Just in search of bread, potatoes or work in factories ... Bread - this is a great driving force of people ... "

Hungry villagers tried to reach any cities, but found no salvation there. On the streets you can see terrifying scene. People, as usual, hurried on their cases, and among them, on the ground, crawled children and adults, enfeebled by hunger. One witness for the commission of US Congress told about this episode, which was, incidentally, in Enakievo: "Me and my brother go and we look: under the fence is a woman. She is half-recumbent, half-sitting.. Dead. We approached - and saw her baby.The woman is dead and baby alive. And she was so up to one year. Maybe a year, maybe a little less, maybe a little more. And it pulled in her mother's breast and sucks. But its mother is dead. And my brother and I, we were crying ...We feel sorry for the child because it does not know. Sucks and does not understand that there is nothing inside. So here goes sanitary machine that picks up the dead bodies. And they always went there because a lot of corpses lying. They grabbed, the two men, the dead women by her feet and child and threw both where the corses lie. They drove away with the woman and a alive kid and the rest bodies to the common ditch at the cemetary."

zaxid.net/article/73823/

So having the richest lands in the former Soviet Union, Ukraine's population decreaded 15% in 1926-37 interwar period, while Russians increased 20%. It is 6 million people!!! The number is still worse - it reaches 10 million offset by births of newborn.
ConstantineK 26 | 1,299
6 Sep 2010 #65
So having the richest lands in the former Soviet Union, Ukraine's population decreaded 15% in 1926-37 interwar period, while Russians increased 20%.

Simply the fled to towns in Russia. You know there was a lot of huge building project in this time.

It is: "Who are they?" and they were Ukrainians as an ethnic group.

You mean Malorossiyane?
isthatu2 4 | 2,694
11 Aug 2012 #67
It was the first

Not one Id heard of TBH. Nice one though, its sad to see how the Americas were MORE democratic when the English were still in charge ,probably due to our long history of Peasants revolting,as oppossed to revolting peasants ;)
OP pawian 224 | 24,484
25 Aug 2012 #68
probably due to our long history of Peasants revolting,

Funny. For my Polish mind "long history" suggests continuous action which lasts for a long time.

But there was just one peasant revolt in England, the one with Wat Tyler.
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,854
25 Aug 2012 #69
is that right? Pawian your knowledge of British history astounds me.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diggers
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Levellers
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Cade
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy_Fawkes

it might have been more accurate to state...
Wat Tyler is the only insurgent to have made it into mainstream books on British history.
OP pawian 224 | 24,484
25 Aug 2012 #70
Wow, thanks for those links.

Actually, only Guy Fawkes is taught in Poland.

The rest are pretty unknown.

But now I know where some British rock groups` names come from: Levellers, New Model Army.....

Funny, in Polish google Levellers as a rock group come before Levellers political movement. :):):):):)

(levellers in Google search)

No wonder that

Wat Tyler is the only insurgent to have made it into mainstream books on British history.

rozumiemnic 8 | 3,854
25 Aug 2012 #71
The rest are pretty unknown.

oh here as well, pawian,that's what I meant about mainstream history books.
I too can only recall Wat Tyler from school, the rest I have learnt about since....
good stuff!
OP pawian 224 | 24,484
25 Aug 2012 #72
Shyt! Does it mean that English history is more complex than Celts, Boadica, Norman invasion, the Lion Heart, Wat Tyler, War of the Roses, 100 years war, Spanish Armada, Cromwell??????????


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