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Poles organized the first strike in US in 1619


Pinching Pete - | 554
5 Sep 2010 #31
Alexis de Tocqueville

A little antiquated, maybe.. Besides he was a French aristocrat. What would you expect? "Mediocrity" was a sickening thought for somebody like him.. as was the idea of work and commerce in general.

However, he did write a lot of complimentry things about the US too.
ConstantineK 26 | 1,284
5 Sep 2010 #32
However, he did write a lot of complimentry things about the US too.

You find them complimentary? Oh, nothing have changed, Americans are the same....
Pinching Pete - | 554
5 Sep 2010 #33
Americans are the same....

Same with Russians.. I will look for more of your articles in Pravda.
ConstantineK 26 | 1,284
5 Sep 2010 #34
I will look for more of your articles in Pravda.

Boy, wake up! You are still living in 80-th. Pravda is not so popular today in Russia, it is barely a newspaper now. I deserve better one! Are you watching Fox and are you fan of Sara Palen? It is so american!
Pinching Pete - | 554
5 Sep 2010 #35
Are you watching Fox and are you fan of Sara Palen?

Nope.. and nope. Voted for Obama. And the sky is not falling over here.. rivers running with blood. Things will be bad (by our standards) for another 3 - 5 years. Don't be so sure Palin or Republicans get elected in 2012. She's a joke in many circles.

You have a weird, dipsh*t view of the US. Everyone is a troglodyte or scheming Jew, etc.. no in between. I find it strange that Russian and Europeans always brag about how intellectual they are.

There's inequities here but there's also a lot poor people who end up making a lot of money, live nicely. However, please continue with your own special "statistics".
ConstantineK 26 | 1,284
5 Sep 2010 #36
Everyone is a troglodyte or scheming Jew, etc.. no in between.

Well, nope, American Poles are between them, though they are close to "troglodyte" extremum.

I find it strange that Russian and Europeans always brag about how intellectual they are.

I can't say it for Europeans mostly they are gays without any sublime traits, but, Russians obviously stand a level higher.

Things will be bad (by our standards) for another 3 - 5 years. Don't be so sure Palin or Republicans get elected in 2012.

She is quintessence of your national spirit, don't forget here John
Pinching Pete - | 554
5 Sep 2010 #37
Europeans mostly they are gays

lol.. well moving right along.

though they are close to "troglodyte" extremum

Hmm, as soon as I get done picking bugs from my hairy back I will give a good response.

She is quintessence of your national spirit

.. and Stalin is yours??
ConstantineK 26 | 1,284
5 Sep 2010 #38
.. and Stalin is yours??

Don't touch him. He was genius. We have two men who changed nation entirely Peter I and Stalin. We should thank them many times. Your perception of Stalin is quite distorted
Pinching Pete - | 554
5 Sep 2010 #39
Don't touch him. He was genius

??? Look man, you going on a vodka bender you should alert the forum.

Palin is stupid no doubt but probably I don't spend 18 months in a gulag for being late to work .. once. Unlike your "man of steel".
ConstantineK 26 | 1,284
5 Sep 2010 #40
I don't spend 18 months in a gulag for being late to work .. once. Unlike your "man of steel".

Sure, those times were not vegetarian, you are right. However, let's forget about gulags for a moment, it was merely a tool. Let's scrutinize the result. What though many men had to die to achieve these results?
Pinching Pete - | 554
5 Sep 2010 #41
Let's scrutinize the result.

<<Shrugs>>> the result is you end up choosing democracy.. or at least your form of it.

Truth is you wouldn't go back to a time machine to the 30's - 60's. We both know it.
ConstantineK 26 | 1,284
5 Sep 2010 #42
<<Shrugs>>> the result is you end up choosing democracy.. or at least your form of it.

The same Tocqueville truth - Russia and America are on the different poles, however they are moving towards the same point. America gradually reducing democracy while Russia getting more open.
Pinching Pete - | 554
5 Sep 2010 #43
America gradually reducing democracy while Russia getting more open.

Maybe.. probably have to reduce some democracy.. all things can't be permitted. Russia seems more open. WTF I don't know??.. never been there. American media likes Russians now. They are in a lot of our shows as good guys not as villians. Russians I meet here I like in general.

Not like this so much.. haha

This was an actual cartoon that portrayed russians this way.

However, we will probably always be enemies a little bit. Too bad.

The same Tocqueville truth

He was right about a lot. America does celebrate mediocrity. There's lot of idiocy here. What can you do?
OP pawian 221 | 23,980
5 Sep 2010 #44
Nothing beats a beautiful, well oiled, smooth running machine...

You probably imagine a German crematorium now..... :):)

It might seem strange to you, but I feel no fear. Why?

Because Russia is getting more Polish every year. People have learnt how to stop fearing the state and its representatives. :):):)
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,739
5 Sep 2010 #45
You probably imagine a German crematorium now..... :):)

Nah...we would build it much more prettier today..."Vorsprung durch Technik! Jawoll! :)
OP pawian 221 | 23,980
5 Sep 2010 #46
Don`t forget that Hitler Kaputt!! :):):)
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,739
5 Sep 2010 #47
Erm...
Are you obsessed with Hitler in some way???

But yeah...the world was impressed by the well oiled german machinery back then too! ;)
ConstantineK 26 | 1,284
5 Sep 2010 #48
He was right about a lot. America does celebrate mediocrity. There's lot of idiocy here. What can you do?

Honestly I adore tyranny, because it forces people out of politics into more intimate spheres like art and science. For example, both Russian and Polish cultures deeply rooted in tyranny of 19-th century. And I despise democracy for it can bore only species like Sara. That is rule.

Because Russia is getting more Polish every year. People have learnt how to stop fearing the state and its

I hope I will die before it will happen. Poles need another Nicolas I
Pinching Pete - | 554
5 Sep 2010 #49
into more intimate spheres like art and science.

Sure, Beethoven was a commoner after all.. relegated to playing rich people's houses. He couldn't even get custody of his child because he had to use a peon court. Do you think his genius wouldn't have surfaced had their been a decent middle class then?

Aristocratic rule? Probably does breed more excellence.. a lot more hardship as well.. as well as bloody revolutions. French .. and you know about one in 1917. Good times, huh? Nothing like a Jacobin and a guillotine.. mass executions.. but hey as long as you get a new ballet, opera or symphony.

And I despise democracy for it can bore only species like Sara.

..and species Reagan, Roosevelt, Lincoln, Jefferson, Washington. Palin is not in a position of power right now. You know this, right?
OP pawian 221 | 23,980
5 Sep 2010 #50
Erm...
Are you obsessed with Hitler in some way???

Me? No. But I thought you are....

But yeah...the world was impressed by the well oiled german machinery back then too! ;)

Yes. In result, its creators got special prizes in Nurnberg. :):) Hey, BTW, I am reading Speer`s diary now. He got 20 years for developing the machinery.
ConstantineK 26 | 1,284
5 Sep 2010 #51
Reagan

Senile

Roosevelt

Invalid

Lincoln

Demagogue, deserved to be be shoot by Booth

Jefferson

Slaveholder

Washington

Slaveholder with bad teeth
Pinching Pete - | 554
5 Sep 2010 #52
Slaveholder with bad teeth

.. you left out indian killer.

You strike me a Nietzsche worshipper.. all this Uberman-like speeches.. you're probably in the early stages of syphillus too.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,739
5 Sep 2010 #53
Me? No. But I thought you are....

Why???

Hitler didn't have the monopoly on smooth running, sleak, disciplined, beautiful machinery! :)

Hey, BTW, I am reading Speer`s diary now. He got 20 years for developing the machinery.

And you are still reading him...even after so many years! ;)
OP pawian 221 | 23,980
5 Sep 2010 #54
And you are still reading him...even after so many years! ;)

It belongs to my studies on the dark side of the German soul.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,739
5 Sep 2010 #55
Oh come oooon...Speer on the "dark side of the german soul"????

He would be a feted economy and architecture expert today too..:)

Yeah...I know...you are a Pole but let me tell you success doesn't mean automatically something "dark" and "sinister" !

;)
OP pawian 221 | 23,980
6 Sep 2010 #56
Oh come oooon...Speer on the "dark side of the german soul"????

He would be a feted economy and architecture expert today too..:)

They didn`t teach you in German schools about millions (7) slave workers in Nazi Germany? Speer was one of those who supervised labour issues and was directly responsible for slaves` misery.

What did he get 20 years in Nurnberg for after all, huh? Any idea? Just because he was unlucky to be on the losers` side? :):):):)
Nathan 18 | 1,349
6 Sep 2010 #57
What though many men had to die to achieve these results?

Here are just a blink of the results:
Russian Federation which occupies 1/9th of the dry land and flies into cosmos doesn't have masks (10 cents a piece) to give to its dying from fires and smoke citizens. Country which is able to flood the world with oil doesn't have enough to gas its helicopters and planes to extinguish the fire which destroys its homes; country, which became so "advanced" because of Stalin that it let die its 122 navy soldiers because of lack of the equipment to pull the submarine out and so proud not to ask a tiny Norway for help which could have saved them and which is 100 times more advanced, civilized and no doubt proud - because it really has a lot to proud of. People who pretend like you that Stalin changed something for their country are simply lazy, betraying, worthless piece of scum which haven't died under his regime just because of their nature - being a scum. Stalin liked thoughless, brainless, scum-looking and thinking homo sovetici which (not who!) still bog down most of the former republics of the Soviet Union.

He was genius.

How can one call a genius someone who caused starvation of 10,000,000 Ukrainians, signed execution of 41,000 people personally, ordered execution of 22,000 Polish military elite, destroyed the SU's the highest military command in 1937-38, caused death of million soldiers on the battlefields, built hudreds Gulags and extermination camps in Siberia...............???????
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,739
6 Sep 2010 #58
They didn`t teach you in German schools about millions (7) slave workers in Nazi Germany? Speer was one of those who supervised labour issues and was directly responsible for slaves` misery.

Well..someone had to do the work as all our able bodied men were on the fronts!

After the war alot of our men had to do slave labour in other countries...such were the times!

What did he get 20 years in Nurnberg for after all, huh? Any idea? Just because he was unlucky to be on the losers` side? :):):):)

Absolutely!
In the beginning he was thought to get a place on the death row too but that was crap as he was only an architect after all and to not to be seen as totally ridiculous they had to give him a 20 year sentence and yes, he just got it because he was on the losers side.
MediaWatch 10 | 945
6 Sep 2010 #59
Here are just a blink of the results:

ConstantineK:
He was genius.

How can one call a genius someone who caused starvation of 10,000,000 Ukrainians, signed execution of 41,000 people personally, ordered execution of 22,000 Polish military elite, destroyed the SU's the highest military command in 1937-38, caused death of million soldiers on the battlefields, built hudreds Gulags and extermination camps in Siberia...............???????

I don't know how anybody could like Stalin or Stalinist Soviet Russia.

During the early years of WWII, Soviet Russia had a LOVE AFFAIR with Nazi Germany and gave Nazi Germany unlimited war supplies including tons and tons of minerals, oil and food. Soviet Russia even had its fellow communist parties throughout Europe SUPRESS anti-Nazi movements.

Russians and Ukrainians were starving in those days but the Soviet Russian government made sure it gave as much food as possible to the Nazis. Go figure. I don't know why the Russian people tolerated this insanity of their leaders when they were suffering themselves.

Check out "The Soviet Story". You being a student of East European history and being of Ukrainian ancestry, I'm sure can relate to it a lot.

"Soviet Story"
Nathan 18 | 1,349
6 Sep 2010 #60
I'm sure can relate to it a lot

Thanks a lot, MediaWatch. There were different time and those who opposed the forceful collectivization or the communist regime in general were tortured and executed. The problem doesn't lie why people lost the spirit to rebel (they were hungered, demoralized, turned into zombies by systematic destruction of human in humans). The problem for me lies in the fact that we are living 70 years after these horrors occurred and there are people like ConstiantineK who have read and know what happened there, but whose shallow worthlessness pretends to be daring, bold or maybe, even sickly funny by making retarded comments of the kind.


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