Poles in the Crusades to the Holy Land

I'm having trouble finding some kind of secondary source to learn about Polish knights (from Polish knights Hospitallers, or Order of Malta) who took part in the Crusades to the Holy Land. Whether that be the first, second, third, fourth etc.. does not matter. Anyone come into contact with such a book?

Thank you.

Do you mean Polish knights who were members of these orders (Knights hospitallers etc/). I thought the only Polish order (founded in Poland) was the Order of Dobrzyn, which was concerned with the Northern Crusades (Prussia/Lithuania)

Trevek, either or. Polish knight serving in foreign orders, or Polish orders themselves (but only if they relate to the Crusades to the Holy land, (not Northern Crusade against *pagans* in the East)

Interesting.

I took a quick look, there were many crusades


Crusades(Wiki)


So maybe Poland was not part of the crusades to Jerusalem?

I would have to read more about it but this is a very interesting topic, nice one.

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Wiki

The Teutons were in the Holy Land before heading to the growth industry of the North. Perhaps German speaking Polish knights rode with them.

According to the mighty wiki, the Order of Dobrzyn was the only military order founded in Poland.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_Dobrzy%C5%84

I somewhat have the feeling that Polish knights, if they did serve, would have served under the order of a foreign order. Whether that be because the King feared the loss of these nobles and their men might weaken the kingdom, or if he simply did not want these close contacts with an enemy (Germany-Teutonic knights etc), I don't know.

Or maybe they simply were not invited by the Pope? :) Or not worthy enough Christians?

Try this: chivalricorders.org/orders/smom/maltpold.htm

Poles were not participating. Had enough trouble with border conflicts. Imagine moving the knights down south - who would mind the border?

I am not sure they did serve anyone.


Sounds more like pillaging than converting, it didn't work not then anyway by the looks of it.


/wiki/Northern_Crusades#Wendish_Crusade

I believe this also includes Poland.

Come one by one if you can please. lol

In March 1095 at the Council of Piacenza, ambassadors sent by Byzantine Emperor Alexius I called for help with defending his empire against the Seljuk Turks. Later that year, at the Council of Clermont, Pope Urban II called upon all Christians to join a war against the Turks, promising those who died in the endeavor would receive immediate remission of their sins.[17]

I do know that the early ancestors of the Polish Dabrowa clan fought in The holy land.

When this early ancestor of the Clan Dabrowa distinguished himself by his courage at Jerusalem, Godfrey de Bouillon, was King of Jerusalem. This gallant foreign knight had bestowed on him, via Godfrey Bouillon, a new coat of arms. The coat of arms was a rendition of Calvary Hill (Golgotha). Golgotha was the hill upon which Our Lord Jesus Christ's was crucified with two thieves. The new arms would bear three crosses patée, in the center; and one cross patée fitched on each side of the middle cross. These crosses were called "Dabrowa," in Polish.

After this knight returned from Palestine, he took the same path through Poland. He was fond of the scenery so he settled in Poland and his descendants still exist there today

angelfire.com/mi4/polcrt/DabrowskiClans.html

But i don't know about any book...

That's a good one:


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Here's a book:

Orders in Poland (in Polish).
opoka.org.pl/biblioteka/D/DZ/marecki/bracia_dobrzynscy.html

There were orders of the Hospitallers in Silesia, Poznan and elsewhere.

Were there? From what I am reading now it seems that


opoka.org.pl/biblioteka/D/DZ/marecki/bracia_dobrzynscy.html - (Book) Orders in Poland[/url]

Maybe they were not created and formed in Polish lands?

Story about Leszek the White and telling the Pope Polish knights couldn't crusade cos there was no mead in Holy Land beer100.com/history/meadhistory.htm

No way Slavs participated in crusades.

It was the only order formed in Poland but the other orders had branches.

This book has a few interesting chapters

books.google.com/books?id=1m4fbJyQ4pkC&pg=PA433&lpg=PA433&dq=Polish+knights+crusades&source=bl&ots=YSWUiz7sHm&sig=jw0aMg2eR_yRhGbcIolh4KKI9BE&hl=en&ei=sle_TMXzBIWXOu32xTI&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=5&ved=0CC4Q6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=Polish% 20knights%20crusades&f=false

Interesting comment in first paragraph about lack of interest in crusades by Polish society

web.ceu.hu/medstud/events/ev004/starnaw.htm

Turks were in defence when crusaders came. That is from 1095 to 1272.

They saw that christains are not good friends.

Then, Turks wanted to show their power and attacked between 1308-1679.

See what happened. Turks captured even some cities in England, Ireland and Iceland.

History shows that Turkey and west of Turkey have a lot in common.

It is like thesis anti-thesis.

Admit or not Turks are a European nation.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ottoman_sieges_and_landings

Old discussion from last year

Ancient Polish History thread - page 6

Turks captured cities in Ireland???
I have never in all my years heard of anything like that... Are you sure?

It would explain the kebab houses.

They never captured any towns but kidnapped lots of people......the white slave trade.....
By turks I think he means Ottomans. It was Algerians who kidnapped an entire Irish village.

Barbary pirates in Ireland: The Sack of Baltimore, Co. Cork

I suppose there is always William Joyce (goldsmith and supposed founder of claddagh ring) who was captured by pirates and sold to Turkish (or Moorish, I forget) master.

I had never heard that but its a good story.

This topic just gets more interesting.

Damn you PF, damn you to hell, I don't have time for... I will just check one last thing and then I am definitely ... :p

Interesting statement. Who were the Ottomans ? Chinese ? lol.

Algeria was one of the most important bases of Ottoman navy at that time. This does not mean that Algerians were captured some cities in Ireland etc. Algeria was in Ottoman rule and Turkish marins were working there and possibly use some Algerians too.

If a navy from Falkland attacks Argentina, will you say they are not British but Falklanders.lol

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Turkish_navies

This thread is wandering from the original title

Yeah I had found a link to a review of The End of the World and the Forging of Christendom which looks like a good read some day....

I found a link to Leszek the White and his beer thing but Trev had posted

I know I know sorry.

But you have to admit that some posters find it very interesting :)

Can you provide a credible link for that?

I will try my best if mods let me :)

''credible link'' What are the criterias for you ?