Poles should apologise to Ukrainians first

When have we ever switched sides??? We always lost our wars on one and the same side only, till the bitter end...

Exactly. Wo alle strassen enden etc. ...



... and of course all the wars to end all wars never end anything. :(

Yes, and Norway's wealth fund could easily nullify U.S.A's entire national debt in the blink of an eye.

If Poland provides the manpower. Scandinavia can provide bargaining power and the money. It's a win-win

Grunni, you are lifting up my spirit like a true friend that you are! :)

*high five!*

@GefreiterKania
*High five*

Yes maybe you should learn from the Italians, who always seem to be on the winning side regardless of where they started?

Russia switched sides once, but only after the Kaiser sent us Lenin on a train.

The Kaiser's man, made us sign the terrible treaty of Brest Litovsk, where Poland, Finland, the Baltics, and Ukraine were all lost.

Our "great" allies, a year later - when they defeated Germany finally - didn't give us back any of these spaces.

No... instead they invaded us from all sides (after wrapping up with Germany), and made our civil war last three times as long as it could have.

It's a miracle that Russia emerged alive from that experience.

How does it matter? At least they need us because we have something they don't. The US could wipe out Russia; they don't need Poland for that. But why would they do it for Poland?
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Scandinavia has a very good independent military industry, something that Poland needs. Depending on the US-made expensive junk is irresponsible.
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Blame Bolsheviks.

Excuse me?

America cannot wipe out Iran, or Yemen - instead always pushing for talks after dropping some token Tomahawks on their head.

America has never, in its entire history, fought an enemy like Russia. Not Germany, not Japan, or Great Britain can compare - as far as American historical enemies go.

There is no historical precedent to show that America can fight a war like the hypothetical one against Russia.

No American politician who is sane, would ever propose such an idea. This is a bipartisan consensus - and remains the same whether it's Biden or Trump in the White House.

If you have the richest country in world history, with seemingly impossible wealth, good climate, fertile land, and most importantly peace - why the hell would you gamble it all on a war with Russia - of all countries?

What does America stand to gain from fighting with Russia, other than jeopardizing its blessed existence?

Russia is the only country in the world, which has the military potential to erase the United States - this is why the two will never risk anything serious. It just doesn't make sense. The game is not worth the candles.

I'm not saying that they would, I'm saying that they could. However, you are right in their analysis of cost-effectiveness of such a hypothetical war; they found it would cost them too much. They don't want to pay those costs; that is obvious.

Prussia did, do you not count it as Germany?

LOL Wut? Cope and seethe all you want, no one is scared of Russia anymore it can send all the mobik waves assaulting some 20k pre war shithole town it wants. The cat is out of the bag and you backed pathetic losers.

As they say si tacuisses, philosophus mansisses only with army.

Sadly not....

We have more nukes than them - do you remember this?

Russians with the nukes again. Why are you so bitter recently? It's almost like the war didn't go in your favor...

@Korvinus

My point was - that big uncle from across the ocean does not scare us.

Appeals to his authority - only makes you look pathetic in comparison. Have you no agency? No will of your own - to resist?

Russians don't rely on anybody for protection. We don't beg for help, on our knees, like the Ukrainians. We don't need handouts. We chart our own fate.

Russia's only permanent allies are its navy and its army.

It would be good if you Poles too, could practice independent thinking.

Another irritating thing about you Russians. Always with those primitive threats.
You basically behave like typical mobsters and then are shocked to learn people don't want anything to do with you.

You are losing sight of the goal.

From the start I (we?) supported Ukraine not because I like it, historically or currently, but because it is fighting Russia. And it still is. Therefore we are still winning.

The ultimate shape of Ukrainian borders is irrelevant. Russia gains nothing by gaining territory.

...with auto-launch..


Funny how Poles sucking American dicks is never mentioned here.

Spadaj Wania...

They do the dick-sucking in a way which is transparently exploitative of the United States.

Like some bimbo you meet at the bar, and who cares not what sort of trouble it will land you with, in terms of your family.

That is - they don't suck American dick because they enjoy the taste, or truly feel passionate about America. They do it, in the hope that America will then cover them with its ass - receiving the Russian dildo of consequences along with them.

Such a friend - is no friend at all.

And it does not matter how many times Nawrocki comes to crawl around the floor of the Oval Office, or how many times Tusk swallows his pride and says something nice about Trump.

It is clear to everyone that- that the Poles are being nice, because they expect you to spend 50,000-100,000-200,000 lives protecting their independence.

Otherwise they don't respect you at all. They hate even their closest neighbors, who gave them the most money.

If you are not useful to Poles - their interest in you will evaporate in a moment. These are a profoundly wounded people, like Russians, who see even hundreds of billions of EU transfers as "just reparations".

Good luck to both of you, in finding perfect marriage harmony.

That's Russia's call if it's nothing.

Mind your own damn business and worry about Poland becoming bilingual. No, they are not going to leave because you, morons, made this war longer and caused the destruction of places they could come back to...

If you are too dense to appreciate my brilliance...look at Paris and Warsaw in 1945. See the difference or do you need help?

Never thought about it, azzholes...did you? Poles are women with dicks having an orgasm ...if it feels good, do it...and worry about consequences later ... if ever...

We are ready to send 2: Biden and Kamala. That's it.

They will not be shooting but will tell Poles how to manage the country and its borders. They did such a phenomenal job that we decided to let them rest in peace.

Somehow, European politicians think America will send something.

I think the only rational response, is that every European bureaucrat who has some impact on policymaking vis-à-vis the United States, should be able to prove that he lived at least 5 of the past 10 years in the US.

Any person who spends 100 days living in this country, would quickly see how the idea of giving help to Europe is "dead".

It was no different before World War I and II.

It's literally an ocean away, and as you may have gleaned from the news - not exactly free of problems of its own.

The fact they saved you twice, can only be chalked up to familial piety.

But now that America is more beige/brown, that fundamental loyalty to Europe is quickly eroding. By the middle of the century, America will no longer be majority white - and then the politics may become very unpleasant for you dying Euros indeed.

The longer I lived here, the more are treated the people I would meet as us, not them.

Now that I have granddaughters, this is my home ... to exclusion of all other places. No hyphens. 58 years is enough to shed all remnants of my Polishness.


I am white and have none of it. I have proved this beyond any doubt here. Seeing the rows of US flags in Europe makes me very angry.

...the more I treated...

Haha, yes. Also, along with the Japanese, two WW2 enemies that Poles have never even deemed needing forgiveness. Who cares that they these two kochani fought with the enemy that occupied your country and destroyed your capital - there are allies requiring Polish resentment, right up to current day!


China: "and who am I, chopped liver?"

The Americans are much, much more concerned about the rest of the century's competition with China, their real threat militarily, economically and in terms of influence. All Russia really has is oil and a lot of very rusty nukes. Even between China and Russia, you know who's the boss there, and it's not the funny little bald man in the Kremlin.


I think they genuinely idolise them, in a truly pathetic and obsequious way. Look at all Poland's places and monuments dedicated to US presidents, General Patton and the like. Arguably the biggest Yalta 'betrayer', the country that only joined the Polish war (very late in the day) because Japan hit them, and still Poles cannot lose their love of the taste of American dupa.

Your rusty nukes are one reason, but not the main one. That is the last-resort option. The U.S. wouldn't need to push you too hard; they could blind you when it comes to satellites, destroy all military and critical infrastructure, and wipe out most of your military personnel. That would likely be enough, as China would, at the very least, support you diplomatically.
Achieving this would be costly for the U.S. and would not be popular among the populace. Hence, there is no appetite for war with Russia in the United States.
When it comes to nukes, Russia would be completely destroyed, whereas for the U.S., that is not necessarily the case. Anyway, let the experts argue about fallout! lol!
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What are you even talking about? If you want to sound cripthic go to Egyptepistolography@mumyhelp.me.drones.ru
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Look, you are talking about some politicians, a class in their own, not necessarily expressing well the mood of the country.
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No, the biggest betrayers were the UK. They enjoyed the benefits of being an ally and made promises, only to forget to lift a finger for their ally.
The US didn't make any specific promises to Poland, only casual, and even if they go back on their word on some issues, they were not really an ally of Poland.
If they were, so was the Soviet Union.

Meh, nuclear war is such a gay cliche to scare cattle, no one is launching nukes unless their sovereignty is directly threatened, or they get launched on first. If Russia touches for example baltics, all branches of their military would be decimated by NATO airstrikes, then any of their leftover ground forces on NATO soil would be finished off in the next few days by our ground forces, Putin would sh!t and cry and threaten and do nothing, and that would be the end of it.

You are one brave son of a b*tch.

Relying on Putin's reasonability, is not a bet I thought many people would want to make nowadays.