WWII - who really was the first to help Poland?

What I said is based on sound historical knowledge.

Maybe the West did over estimate the power of the Soviet Union, but i remember the shock of reading about Stalin and his absolute ruthlessness, and cruelty and his total disdain for the value of the human Lives he had conquered.

Yeah The western allies knew that as well so why did they send POWs and others back to the Soviet Union to be murdered?

The Communist wer never our friends they just wanted to stab us in the back. They wer totally insincere in all of their actions, their joint invasion and stitching up of Little Poland is just one example!!!!

Of course they were friends and allies of both Britain and the US to deny that is to falsify history.

I didn't learn about this until I was 21, Stalin was never taught in our schools and was never represented on our Television, it was just Hitler. Most of Labour Party wer pro-Soviet and secretly worshiped Stalin, and they ran the education system and the TV after the War and still do so right up to now.

Yet you still claim to be British!!!!!

Who's Ally? Who was Stalin allied to before he was "Allied" with us? HITLER.Stalin was Hitler most important ally, without Stalin, Hitler couldn't hav started WWII, Hitler's other allies wer, in some cases, a Burden, Mussolini for example.When the Italians cocked-up in Northern Africa, Hitler had to send his troops, and when the Italians cock-up in invading Greece Germany again had to send troops to sort out their mess, meaning hitler had to delay it's attack on the Soviet Union by a month, imagine if they turned up in Moscow one month earlier befor the Winter had kicked in? Imagine. History would be so different.

Sometimes I wonder why they bothered having that war when you could have done it all on the back of an envelope

But YOU said and i quote


Now youre saying something else, something different just for the sake or arguing.


shut up

I think you hav misunderstood something can you explain where the contradiction is?

ive got better things to do than argue with someone about Stalin.

It's a really interesting thread. To look at the initial question, I doubt anyone really helped Poland in September 1939, no one could. The British couldn't mobilise in time to help and were too far away to be of much use. Nearby countries had their own problems and obviously Russia had it's own agenda, Germany was hell bent on invading Poland and would have done so anyway. Within Poland there were Poles who helped themselves but too few to combat Germany and Russia. Help was needed before the war in terms of money, munitions etc.. and a bit of foresight about the German and Russian agendas but then the allied countries were hoping to avoid war.

I belive that Britain genuinely tried to help Poland as much as possible during the war and that Churchill didn't want to sell Poland out but was railroaded by the USA. After the horrors of nazi/fascist activity in Europe the USA might genuinely have believed they were acting in the best interests of Europe as a whole, not that it's any consolation to those under USSR domination! Saving you from **** on the one hand to land you in poo on the other!



Both the USA and the old USSR now Russian federation have apalling records on pollution,but so do China and many other countries. The environmental issue is not a capitalist/ communist issue it's about all countries looking at energy and resources in a different way!

Its one issue among many, capitalism speeds up the dwindling of Earths resources more so than communism. 100's of millions of people all buying crap, burning needless fuel driving their huge cars, leaving their power on, eating till they are fat etc etc..

China maybe the single biggest polluter but they have by far the largest population. The USA is the worst and that is the leading capitalist country. Capitalism = worse pollution per capita.

WroclawBoy,yes,for now,but wait until China has all the infrastructure in place.The US will pale in comparison.

Point taken about size of population but it's useless comparing USA and China they are both capitalist economies.
IMO it's a waste of time arguing whether capitalist or communists are the worst offenders, they offend in different ways. The point is 'do something'. There are no real communist countries now anyway, not that I think there ever really was.

a little reminder, Barney


was that based on sound, historical knowledge too???

Only because China has billions of people - and rightly so, i dont like it but hey.


Hardly, China has more in common with Russia than the USA.


Its not a waste of time at all, its constructive. Capitalism is based on infinite resources, un capped growth and seeing as we live on a finite planet, i think we need to look at alternatives.


Like what? what are you going to do?

Tend to agree with you both here, unless measures are put in place now, China will be producing vastly excessive pollution and eating up considerable amounts of carbon based fuels.

But to keep to the main question, at the outbreak of war none of the allies were in a position to help Poland much logistically, I suspect the country was not uppermost on their mind anyway.

ohh look shes posting on a thread were im active because she read my last post and her next move is to ignore me here. Too predictable im afraid.

Sad to say,but I agree with you there Kaz.England was first albeit,not as early as they would have liked to have responded.If Churchill had been in power,and it was within their ability,he would have responded,as soon as Hitler ventured into the Sudetenland.Whether England was concerned with the well being of Poland,well people ave their views.Churchill would definitely have made the move to put a stop to what he knew would eventually come his way,in a big way,if he didn't try to stop him.Churchill had Hitler's number long before just about anyone else did...

Yes I think Churchill was had much more foresight than most of the politicians at the time. Given the horrendous loss of life in WW1, I suppose that politicians were doing anything to avoid war, futile though it was. They should have thought more about the long term consequences at The Treaty of Versailles before landing huge reparations on Germany, personally I think that contributed to the rise of National Socialism, amongst other factors.

Kaz200972, no doubt,this was a key factor.

the key factor was that no one was able to face the Germans , one on one back then and even if the Brits and'or French, tried to help Poland, they would be slaughtered just like anyone else. The mistake they made was to promise help that was never realistic but obviously expected.

Yes obviously an important factor but I think there were several factors leading to the failure to help Poland in 1939.

yeah, there are always multiple reasons for failure or success ;-)

It was a treaty to frighten Hitler, and it worked for a bit until he got Stalin's co-operation to invade Poland and divide it up.

4eigner,I agree with what you say being a key factor.The burden was also a key factor,because it fed the frustration that lead to the wanting of revenge.But what your saying is the number one key factor imo.

the number 1 key factor was that Germany had been preparing for war since the early 30's, they had been pouring huge resources into war from every aspect, they even had a couple of dummy runs such as Guernica Spain to test their effectiveness.

at the outbreak of war the rest of the world was effectively playing catch up.