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What should Russia and Poland do to become if not friends, then at least not enemies?


Lyzko  41 | 9583
16 Aug 2023   #511
What you say is true only to a certain extent, Ironside.
Had you posted what you did prior to 1989 and the collapse of the Wall, people would have dubbed you crazy, at best, uninformed.

The game changer of course was the Reunification, at which point Germans did indeed question whether or not it was really worth the expense of remaining America's dutiful puppet state in Europe! The collapse of Communism had for sure emboldened her.

At present, the Scholz rightly or wrongly finally feels empowered and independent enough to question America's decisions and not feel as though they have to eternally kowtow to US policy.

As Marlene Dietrich once observed in the film "Witness for the Prosecution" upon asked about her loyalties to England for taking her in after the War, "Gratitude can get awfully tiring."
Miloslaw  21 | 4987
16 Aug 2023   #512
Poland the prime target of Russia. The Poles won't love it because over time the nukes will bankrupt them.

HaHaHaHa! do you really think that the Russians would be so stupid as to invade Poland?
Lyzko  41 | 9583
16 Aug 2023   #513
Hear, hear Milo! What possible geopolitical or even militarily strategic importance could such a move serve ?
Miloslaw  21 | 4987
16 Aug 2023   #514
Exactly.....none....and the Russians would lose anyway, just as they are in Ukraine.
Pawloff
17 Aug 2023   #515
you really think that the Russians would be so stupid as to invade Poland?

Corner them and you will find out. Poland's politicians always have such a big mouth and in the end they always need someone else to fight their wars. France and the UK won't help you this time, I guarantee you, and the Yanks only if there is some serious money to be made.
max321
17 Aug 2023   #516
France and the UK won't help you this time

are you suggesting they helped us last time???
Ironside  50 | 12354
17 Aug 2023   #517
Who is this "We" you're talking about?

Who wants to know? A CIA operative?
You are wihpping here anti-russian hysteria (on PF). As an American in Poland.
Do I ask you inquisitive questions? No.
jon357  73 | 23033
17 Aug 2023   #518
do you really think that the Russians would be so stupid as to invade Poland?

Or any other NATO state.
pawian  221 | 25160
17 Aug 2023   #519
Poland's politicians always have such a big mouth

Not Poland`s but PiS` to be exact. They are fekking cowards, in fact.

France and the UK won't help you this time

But Germans will, our best ally in the West, though PiS are at odds with them. Fortunately, Germans realise that Poland is not only PiS or nationalists, but there are also millions of decent Poles apart from those homo sovieticuses.
amiga500  5 | 1493
17 Aug 2023   #520
But Germans will, our best ally in the West,

Yes they will send 8000 helmets instead of 6000! Maybe a few jars of sauerkraut if they are feeling really generous.
pawian  221 | 25160
17 Aug 2023   #521
8000 helmets

with soldiers under them. |);))
jon357  73 | 23033
17 Aug 2023   #522
Maybe a few jars of sauerkraut if they are feeling really generous.

And the broom handles their own troops practice with.
Pawloff
17 Aug 2023   #523
are you suggesting they helped us last time???

First they f*ucked you, then they liberated you, and then they f*ucked you some more. You want that experience again? Get nukes.

Not Poland`s but PiS` to be exact.

Okay, you've got a point here. I'm not intimately familiar with the political landscape of your country, but from the distance it sure looks like your politicians are a bunch of suicidal morons.

But Germans will, our best ally in the West

Maybe they would, but that will largely depend on how Polish politicians act on the world stage. If they continue to be hostile towards Germany, I'm sure the Germans will take a pragmatical approach as they always do. Poland beats its chest, Poland wants nukes, Poland wants reparations. Well, good luck with that. We will watch from the sidelines when the Russians will obliterate you. Maybe a phone call to Vlad will help to even get back our pre-WW1 territories.
amiga500  5 | 1493
18 Aug 2023   #524
Maybe a phone call to Vlad will help to even get back our pre-WW1 territories.

I have a Czech friend called Pavlos. Are you Czech extreme nationalist, butt hurt that northern Silesia belongs to us?
GefreiterKania  31 | 1429
18 Aug 2023   #525
@amiga500

I can't decide whether I am more shocked by the fact that you have a friend or by the existence of "Czech extreme nationalists". 0_0
Bobko  27 | 2087
18 Aug 2023   #526
by the existence of "Czech extreme nationalists".

I laughed too. A thing more rare than a Caspian Tiger.
amiga500  5 | 1493
18 Aug 2023   #527
Rubbish, I met a bar owner who was happy doing the nazi salute, also some czechs hate poles and russians for what happened in 1968.
Bobko  27 | 2087
18 Aug 2023   #528
met a bar owner who was happy doing the nazi salute

Lighten up! I do Hitler salutes towards some especially bent Ukrainians I meet in NY and elsewhere. Maybe, not everyone appreciates the humor.

some czechs hate poles and russians for what happened in 1968

Somehow; they will have to forgive us.
Ironside  50 | 12354
18 Aug 2023   #529
First

What do you care? Toxic BS that anyone can spew, are you a broken shadow of yourslef, cowardlly lurking in a dark corner of PF, imagining yourself to be a bird of prey? a fly would be a more realistic.
Bobko  27 | 2087
18 Aug 2023   #530
@Ironside

I like this sexy version of Polish patriotism. Finally - people we can have a normal conversation with.
Alien  24 | 5665
18 Aug 2023   #531
a fly would be a more realistic

or maybe a colorful parrot that constantly repeats the same thing.
pawian  221 | 25160
18 Aug 2023   #532
Why do I admire Ukrainians? Coz they are such amazing patriotic freedom fighters. Ready to die for the independence of their young state. They are like Poles in the past.

Why do I hold a grudge against Russians? Because most of them are rabid imperialists who need to conquer their neighbours to feel good. They also display slave mentality and fearfully obey their gangster KGB rulers like it has always happened in Russia, since the times of Ivan the Terrible (16th century)
Pawloff
18 Aug 2023   #533
What do you care?

I don't care at all. Your wet dream of a resurrection of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth will never come true, and the USA will never allow Poland to acquire nukes. We own your ass in case you haven't noticed yet. :))
jon357  73 | 23033
19 Aug 2023   #534
and the USA will never allow Poland to acquire nukes

Not up to them.

We own your ass in case you haven't noticed yet. :))

You don't and your country is in terminal decline. Even the Pentagon admits that.
amiga500  5 | 1493
19 Aug 2023   #535
your country is in terminal decline

I watched robocop 2 the other day, and the dystopian scenes of corporate greed run amok, homeless and junkies swarming the sidewalks, was like a documentary of a modern day american city.
Pawloff
19 Aug 2023   #536
Not up to them.

Try it, and good luck to Poland.

You don't and your country is in terminal decline. Even the Pentagon admits that.

The study you are referring to was talking about the so-called American empire, not the USA as a country. The Pentagon demands more money because a one trillion dollar budget is not enough.to feed the military/ industrial complex. Lesson for others to be learned: projection of military power and especially the ownership of nukes bankrupts even the wealthiest nations.

There might come a day in the not so distant future when the EU is fed up with the attitude of Poland, Hungary and all the other leeches in the south, and the funding will stop. Or the EU in its current form dissolves for financial reasons and regroups as a close cooperation of net payers only. That will be the day when you are economically dead. You really believe you can stand on your own feet? With a large military and nukes to pay for?
Alien  24 | 5665
19 Aug 2023   #537
quickly turning into tiny little sh*itholes overrun by migrants from Africa

About 1.1 million Ukrainians came to Germany and only about 150,000 other emigrants at the same time. So the Africans are not the problem. Moreover, without immigrants Germany would cease to function, the only problem is that because of the bureaucracy it takes too long before they are allowed to work. And don't tell me they don't want to.
mafketis  38 | 10954
19 Aug 2023   #538
y it takes too long before they are allowed to work. And don't tell me they don't want to

last I heard only about half of the 2015 Merkel jugend have ever found employment....
Alien  24 | 5665
19 Aug 2023   #539
half of the 2015 Merkel jugend have ever found employment....

What have you heard about the rest?

Please stick to the topic please
pawian  221 | 25160
19 Aug 2023   #540
You really believe you can stand on your own feet?

I don`t that is why I have always opted for Polish membership in the EU. But you see, there are a lot of idiots in Poland who either can`t see it or they do but don`t care coz their little political ganster games are more important for them. I mean rightists and nationalists. They remind of of those Polish traitors who once led to partitions of Poland.


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