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Profound discovery - grievances towards Poland


Kashub1410  6 | 580
13 Apr 2023   #1
During a discussion regarding Zaolzie and Polish occupation of it in 1938 with regard to a video about Slovaks attack on Poland in 1939. I came upon a profound discovery, I think that one of the largest grievances that Poland's neighbours have towards Poland (especially Russia, but also Germany).

Is that Poles as a people are fairly free talking people, and feelings or fairness regarding historical moral standpoints and fairness seem to make Poland's neighbours have a harder time painting themselves as moral (on a group level) and leads to a tendency of feeling bad, mediocre or simply worse, in which again have a easier time getting hurt over Polish statements or standpoints and being unable to do the same (basically a sharp, evident and clear sign of difference between the two people).

So any of Poland's neighbours will feel attacked, without Poland actually attacking them. Which might also conclude why many of Poland's neighbours have no issue or deems it fair or oddly enough as justice to invade Poland.

Then assuming that Poles are aware of this effect and blame Poles for actively hurting them on a conscious level (which to me sounds absurd) but, is a potentially valid point. Seeing the reaction and behaviour of many non-Polish posters on this board makes me certain about these conclusions
GefreiterKania  31 | 1429
13 Apr 2023   #2
feelings or fairness regarding historical moral standpoints and fairness

You have just discovered the great secret of Polish moral superiority. Well done. That is indeed a profound discovery, Grunni. It's a good thing you came to live in Poland (in Norway a lot of aspects of Polishness would remain alien to you). I am proud of you. *thumbs up*

leads to a tendency of feeling bad, mediocre or simply worse

But you see, our neighbours actually are bad, mediocre or simply worse, so it's only fair that we should make them feel so. If one day they choose to stop being bad, mediocre or simply worse, we will have no other choice but to acknowledge that. Until then, however...
OP Kashub1410  6 | 580
13 Apr 2023   #3
@GefreiterKania
I see, but then is the problem with people who have too much on their plate (personal issues, group belonging issues, other issues, addictions lack of love etc) who for one reason or another blame Poland for all his/her misery and leads on a very personal vendetta (example: Stalin)

Is there something we as Poles can do to remedy this? Or should we continue this risk

Simply put: Isn't it a bit unrealistic to put such high expectations of people, nations especially nations mainly lead by groups coming out from the bottom and having traditions that are mainly meant for those on the bottom. Either at the bottom of society or groups, the societal "hell" as most knowingly known as
GefreiterKania  31 | 1429
13 Apr 2023   #4
Or should we continue

We should definitely continue. There is something magical in making other nations feel bad about themselves whilst at the same time caressing our national ego.
Bobko  27 | 2088
13 Apr 2023   #5
This is indeed profound. What you have developed, is nothing less than a hermetic framework for analyzing Polish history, and developing policy suggestions on the foreign relations front.

So many of the questions one has about Poland, fall to the wayside when you apply the groundbreaking framework of them being insufferable snobs.

Bravo!
Korvinus  2 | 567
13 Apr 2023   #6
regarding Zaolzie and Polish occupation of it in 1938

Poles occupied Zaolzie when Czechoslovakia collapsed, so that it would not fall into German hands and increase the military potential of Germany. Zaolzie was previously Polish (called Śląsk Cieszyński), but when Poland had to defend on the east from bolsheviks, Czechs pushed for division of the region, as Poland was obviously preoccupied with a war. After territories were annexed, Czechs had anti-Polish politics (removal of Polish schools etc) to remove the Polish culture.

Poland wasn't perfect either. The whole interwar in central Europe was one huge scramble for the remains of 3 empires.

But the west in general and Poland in particular isn't living in 1940s to this day :-) We moved on and learned our lessons. Russia didn't. Grow up Russians, your whole state is based on faked martyrology and lies.


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