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Whom do the people in Poland hate more: Germans or Russians?


z_darius 14 | 3,968
10 Feb 2008 #301
And WTF do you know? Immigrant.

Apperently I know more than you do. Immigrant.

America got rich from WWII, England lost their empire for the greater good.

Lost their empire?
I'd rather say that many countries regained independence from England.
Seanus 15 | 19,706
10 Feb 2008 #302
Yeah, Greg's dated perspectives are letting him down. He needs to read from more than one book, written in 1960 sth
miranda
10 Feb 2008 #303
England lost their empire for the greater good

and have been crying ever since
Wroclaw Boy
10 Feb 2008 #304
I'd rather say that many countries regained independence from England.

Like America then, the victors of WWII (in your opinion) which was a UK colony, created by US the fukin British. Keep digging those holes sweetheart.
OP MareGaea 29 | 2,752
10 Feb 2008 #305
America got rich from WWII, England lost their empire for the greater good

But they used their profits to help Western Europe. Britain did not loose it's vast, stolen, empire until after the war when the respective ppls started to realise that they did not need the British and that they could rule themselves. Besides that, the biggest part of what Britain owed to the US was never paid. Britain was virtually bankrupt, even before the war already.
Seanus 15 | 19,706
10 Feb 2008 #306
But the Rule Brittania song still gets aired from time to time. It is a thorn in the side of the Brits that we lost the empire but the EU has brought Europe together IN SOME RESPECTS for the better.
OP MareGaea 29 | 2,752
10 Feb 2008 #307
a UK colony

Didn't know WW2 took place in the 18th century...
z_darius 14 | 3,968
10 Feb 2008 #308
Like America then, the victors of WWII (in your opinion) which was a UK colony, created by US

Past glory.

Open your eyes. The year is 2008. UK is just a small country that was saved by the "little brother" at least twice in the last century. Where Americans couldn't do it Russians came in handy.
Wroclaw Boy
10 Feb 2008 #309
Britain did not loose it's vast, stolen, empire until after the war when the respective ppls

Oh and the Dutch are just saints???? What about South Africa? You guys are just the origin of apartheid. Only thing is considering you once had a half decent navy how the hell did you end up with such a tiny (below sea level) piece of Europe.

z_dariusz. USA was a UK colony the US defeated Nazism, in your words. What part of We the "UK tought them" dont you understand?
OP MareGaea 29 | 2,752
10 Feb 2008 #310
the origin of apartheid

We invented the Slave-Trade, don't forget that!
But Apartheid (the only Dutch word used worldwide in its original Dutch form) was solely an invention of the South African government. South Africa was stolen from the Dutch by the British some 300 years before that, so following your line of thinking, one could also say that Apartheid is British in origin.

Indeed we are a small country that lies for nearly half it's size below sea-level. With the exception of the time that it was joined together with Belgium (which is the original size of the Netherlands - Belgium is a Low Country as well) it has never been bigger; all the more reason to admire the vast line of achievements we made worldwide :)
z_darius 14 | 3,968
10 Feb 2008 #311
Oh and the Dutch are just saints???? What about South Africa? You guys are just the origin of apartheid.

What about South Africa?
Can you tell us about some of the efforts of the English part of the South African population who opposed apartheid in their country?

I remember that optimistic push of Brits to S.A. in search of jobs in 1970's. Few had a problem with S.A. apartheid then.
Wroclaw Boy
10 Feb 2008 #312
z_dariusz. USA was a UK colony the US defeated Nazism, in your words. What part of We the "UK tought them" dont you understand?

Answer this questrion please.
Seanus 15 | 19,706
10 Feb 2008 #313
USA was a UK colony? What? Colony implies large control WB. Many nationalities went there, not just Brits.

I agree with the apartheid part, that was one of my favourite subjects to read about at school. A terrible policy!!
Wroclaw Boy
10 Feb 2008 #314
Many nationalities went there, not just Brits.

So why arent they talking French, or spainsh, or dutch?
z_darius 14 | 3,968
10 Feb 2008 #315
z_dariusz. USA was a UK colony the US defeated Nazism, in your words.

First, I didn't say USA defeated tha Nazism. Second, the US had been an English colony about 250 years ago. Since then is has became an independent country which svered its ties with England. They did it consciously.

UK taught America nothing. America wanted nothing to do with UK, and they even tried to change the language. German lost to English by 1 (one!!!) vote. Classical Greek was among the languages proposed. You are dwelling on glories long gone and you are trying to make it sound like USA is owing UK something. They don't. The colonists drove the English out in a military conflict. Which part of this don't you understand?

The US was created by immigrants from all over the world. Immigrants just like you and me.
OP MareGaea 29 | 2,752
10 Feb 2008 #316
Many nationalities went there

Actually the biggest group to come into America from Europe are not the Irish, but the Germans. There's also an issue there: in 1914 it was due to this huge group of German immigrants not by all means sure that the US, should it participate in WW1, would choose the British side. After all, Britain had bugged the US for over a century.

German lost to English by 1

That issue was not new at that time. When the British took over New Amsterdam and changed it to New York, two groups were living there: British and Dutch. On the vote what would be the general language in the city, and the colony, Dutch lost with two votes to English.
Seanus 15 | 19,706
10 Feb 2008 #317
Why WB? Well, there was a vote and they had to agree on one language, quite simple really.
OP MareGaea 29 | 2,752
10 Feb 2008 #318
z_darius was a little quicker than I was :)
Wroclaw Boy
10 Feb 2008 #319
You are dwelling on glories long gone and you are trying to make it sound like USA is owing UK something. They don't. The colonists drove the English out in a military conflict. Which part of this don't you understand?

The UK lost the war of independance as we did not see it economicaly viable at the time. As a result we cut off the resources: namely, finance, weapons and infantry.

z_dariusz what the hell nationality are you dawg? Show some patriotism for goodness sake to your home land.
Seanus 15 | 19,706
10 Feb 2008 #320
Germans lost by 7, not 1
OP MareGaea 29 | 2,752
10 Feb 2008 #321
dwelling on glories long gone

Isn't that typically British?
z_darius 14 | 3,968
10 Feb 2008 #322
The choice of language was just one part of the so called "American war for independence". This war had its significant cultural aspect. The colonists, now calling themselves Americans, changed whatever they could, and where things couldn't be changed because Americans simply didn'r have their own material (local legends and myths, for instance) they invented them. A good chunk of early American lit. was pretty much "tailored to size", so to speak. Rip Van Winkle, or Hawthoirne's novels were results of that struggle. Yup, these literary pieces had a purpose that went beyond the need to tell a story. They were designed to create a nation's sense of tradition.

The UK lost the war of independance as we did not see it economicaly viable at the time. As a result we cut off the resources: namely, finance, weapons and infantry.

Less than 100 years later Americans were buying entire European castles and transporting them back to the US brick by brick.

Yeah, the Brits sure showed them, huh? :))

z_dariusz what the hell nationality are you dawg?

I thought it was obvious. Isn't it?
Wroclaw Boy
10 Feb 2008 #323
Americans, changed whatever they could,

Thats all fairly dashing but who are you? and where are you from mush? Your definetly not a yankee.
z_darius 14 | 3,968
10 Feb 2008 #324
Germans lost by 7, not 1

My source is Marcus Cunliffe - The Literature of the United States en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcus_Cunliffe

Thats all fairly dashing

It's not. It's recorded history. No need for archaeological digs. All in plain view black.. I mean blue on faded white. All it takes is a few years of American studies :) Or you can take shortcuts and read only what's recommended to you.

Your definitely not a Yankee.

Of course I'm not!
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,161
10 Feb 2008 #325
Greg, r u capable of separating Nazis and Germans (przecińôtny)?

Of course I can but If A German isn't a Nazi It doesn't mean I have to like. I don't just like most people here. That's the thing I'm talking about all the time. In Polish-Russian If we forgot about history and some current problems disappeared we could be good friends. With Germans that's a different story.

BTW I can't understand that people here are trying to discuss with a little clown called WB.
OP MareGaea 29 | 2,752
10 Feb 2008 #326
Less than 100 years later Americans were buying entire European castles and transporting them back to the US brick by brick.

While they were cut off British finances, the US received plenty of help from France, always eager to pull Britain's leg and -as usual- from Holland. Actually the Americans regarded the French and especially the Dutch as their main ally, not only for the money, but also because they regarded the Dutch very highly as the founders of their capital at the time, New York. Even today, having a Dutch "van"-name (like Van Houten etc) grants you nearly an elite-status in the US.
Wroclaw Boy
10 Feb 2008 #327
London is the financial capital of the WORLD, circa 2008 fok all'ya.

z_dariusz wanna be yankee. Grzergorz wannabee anything but polish, M-G = dik hed.

You've already been asked nicely not to call people names.
miranda
10 Feb 2008 #328
Of course I can but If A German isn't a Nazi It doesn't mean I have to like. I don't just like most people here

fair enough, but why are you criticising people who are not thinking like you. You said it once and it should be enough, unless you thrive on hate.

You don't like most people on PF? Gee, what gives. More oftent than not you just try to wind people up.

As for talking to WB - people are adults here and make their own choices, just in case you failed to notice.
OP MareGaea 29 | 2,752
10 Feb 2008 #329
WB = little man whos wife refuses to sleep with because of erectile problems with not enough money to buy viagra. Instead his wife sleeps with other, more attractive guys without these problems. He knows this and this knowledge makes him screamingly frustrated and angry, so angry that he uses fora to vent his anger.
Seanus 15 | 19,706
10 Feb 2008 #330
watzmann.net/scg/german-by-one-vote.html

The sources are divided and come to no clear conclusions.

There was possibly 1 more vote from the English man than from the German man. However, the other 6 votes came from other countries' individuals


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