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Martial Law in Poland (1981–1983)


Torq  26 | 2074
23 hrs ago   #1
Martial law in Poland was declared on 13 December 1981 by *baczność, kurwa!* General Wojciech Jaruzelski *spocznij!*.

It was declared to prevent the Soviet/Warsaw Pact intervention in Poland, similar to the interventions in Hungary and Czechoslovakia, which would drown the Solidarity movement in blood. Jaruzelski's gambit, taking Wojsko Polskie into the field positions with all their artillery and other heavy weapons, as well as securing airlfields (including Okęcie by 16. Airborne Batalion of the 6th Division, reinforced by 1. Assault Batalion from Dziwnowo) prevented the intervention and saved countless lives.

We know from the documents found in the archives of Czech General Staff in Prague that the invasion forces were kept in battle readiness until June 1982. The intervention forces consisting of 59 Soviet divisions, 6 East German and 9 Czechoslovakian would have clashed with 15 regular divisions of Wojsko Polskie, as well as territorial defense, border guards, citizens' militia and other irregular forces. It would have been a bloodbath.

Countless retards, even today - with overwhelming evidence found in the archives - deny the reality of the looming Soviet intervention and slander the name of the Good General. Polish patriots, however, know all too well that Poland avoided the fate of Hungary in 1956 and Czechoslovakia in 1968 thanks to one man:

*baczność!*

General Wojciech Jaruzelski

*spocznij!*

Wojciech Jaruzelski

Powązki

See: "Gra Jaruzelskiego. Kulisy stanu wojennego.", Przegląd 50 (1353), pp. 15-17
Alien  29 | 7601
21 hrs ago   #2
General

Sztywny jakiś był.
Lazarus  4 | 663
19 hrs ago   #3
securing airlfields

A lesson learned from the events at Prague airport in 1968.

We know from the documents found in the archives of Czech General Staff in Prague that the invasion forces were kept in battle readiness until June 1982.

From what I've read some elements of the Czechoslovak armed forces were absolutely itching for the opportunity to invade Poland after Polish forces had invaded parts of Czechoslovakia four times in the previous 64 years.
OP Torq  26 | 2074
19 hrs ago   #4
A lesson learned from the events at Prague airport in 1968.

... as well as from the events in Kabul and Bagram in 1979.

Czechoslovak armed forces were absolutely itching for the opportunity to invade Poland

As sidekicks of larger armies, as usual: they invaded us when we were fighting the red onslaught shortly after regaining our independence, and then Slovaks did the same thing alongside Nazis twenty years later. As for itching--I've heard the same about East Germans - there were a lot of revanchist c*nts in DDR back then. Luckily these days it's no longer the case and AfD wins the most votes in western Germany...

... no, wait.
Alien  29 | 7601
19 hrs ago   #5
about East Germans

Unlike the Czechs, the NVA would never leave Poland.
OP Torq  26 | 2074
19 hrs ago   #6
NVA would never leave Poland

That is absolutely correct. They would have stayed forever, 6 feet underground.

Soviets would have been pushed back, Czechs given a slap on their retarded wrists, but if any German dared to enter Poland 35 odd years after WW2, when most Poles still had living witnesses of nazi horrors in their families, they would have been slaughtered.

Ludowe Wojsko Polskie was a f*cking beast - unmatched by any Warsaw Pact army at the time, including the Soviet one.



Sztywny jakiś był.

He had balls of steel. At time when the entire Western Europe was shaking in its boots at the thought of Soviet invasion, he had the balls to take Polish army into the field and say: "Look, товарищи, I have soldiers too!".
Novichok  7 | 11340
18 hrs ago   #7
Ludowe Wojsko Polskie was a f*cking beast - unmatched by any Warsaw Pact army at the time, including the Soviet one.

Based on what? Numbers or feelings?

I just want to make sure I am talking to a man or a woman.

I heard AK saying the same thing in August 1944.
OP Torq  26 | 2074
18 hrs ago   #8
Based on what?

Based on the aggregate weight of their balls.

Now f*ck off, Ryszard, you scumbag. I'm still ignoring you.
Ironside  53 | 13879
18 hrs ago   #9
the Good General.

Even more thoroughbred morons who claim some utter nonsense are deriving the conclusion that the Soviet leader was somehow acting in the interest of Poland. That is a ridiculous communist legend. He acted on orders from Moscow, and that's about it. All those "what if" scenarios are merely fairy tales for gullible people.

Not to mention the many people who were murdered by his regime during that so-called martial law against the Polish nation. He was already a trusted communist butcher of Poles, both after 1945 and in the 1970s. He was nothing but a Soviet thug.

Stop spreading lies and communist propaganda.
Novichok  7 | 11340
18 hrs ago   #10
Based on the aggregate weight of their balls.

What was it? I am OK with kilograms.

He acted on orders from Moscow,

Of course...J got an email "You will take care of this, or we will. You have 72 hours."

Hey, Torq, we are not third-graders.
OP Torq  26 | 2074
18 hrs ago   #11
That is a ridiculous communist legend.

Read the archives - start with the Czech ones (operacja Karkonosze).

I spoke to soldiers and sailors from the martial law period--they all told me the same thing. Makes no sense to deny their words, especially that we now have overwhelming evidence from the archives.

many people who were murdered by his regime during that so-called martial law against the Polish nation

Depends what you mean by 'many'. Parliamentary commission report, compiled after 1989, stated that about 90 people lost their lives as a result of martial law. Later the number 91 seems to be the one agreed upon by most historians... 91 people in almost two years. Probably more died by falling of a ladder in the same period. Imagine how many would have died if Soviets and their sidekicks invaded Poland.

He was nothing but a Soviet thug.

He was a soldier who had to make difficult decisions in difficult times but he saved Poland from a bloodbath in which literally millions of Poles would have lost their lives.
Novichok  7 | 11340
18 hrs ago   #12
a bloodbath in which literally millions of Poles would have lost their lives.

How many millions of Poles died between 1946 and 1966 when the Soviets had full control over Poland? Zero?

I am really sick of this Soviet hysteria. They were a lot more gentle than the Americans in Korea and Vietnam - 7000 miles away vs next door...

As I said so many times, in my entire life, I didn't see one Soviet soldier, tank, or truck...That "occupation" was so terrible...
Ironside  53 | 13879
18 hrs ago   #13
Based on the aggregate weight of their balls.

Don't talk about something Novie doesn't have and never had. You will trigger him to act even more frantically than he does.
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Read the archives

There are a lot of contingency plans everywhere, but it doesn't mean anything. The Soviets were only leaving Afghanistan; they didn't want to get tangled in another international scandal/
Also, they were already present in Poland with Divisions of the Red Army stationed on Polish soil. So don't be a sucker.
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Depends what you mean by 'many'.

If that was an intentional murder by the Soviet regime, more than one is already too many.
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He was a soldier

A Soviet soldier who had all his life acting on orders from Soviet Moscow.
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he saved Poland

He saved himself and his soviet cronies from the consequences of their treason and criminal deeds, which allowed for the building of post-Soviet Poland as we know it now. That is the biggest crime against Poland and its national interest. Many people who should swing or serve a prison term were free to harm Poland and the Polish nation.
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I am really sick of this Soviet hysteria.

It's not purely about numbers. If a million random people die in the US, it's not as big an issue. However, if a million of the best doctors were to die, we would face a long-term problem that would impact many lives. If you don't understand this, then you're not worth my time.
OP Torq  26 | 2074
18 hrs ago   #14
they were already present in Poland with Divisions of the Red Army stationed on Polish soil

Soviet forces in Poland were surrounded in their garrisons and throughout the entire martial law they didn't dare put their noses outside their barracks. If Jaruzelski had been such a "Soviet thug", as you claim, surely they would have been out in the cities helping Jaruzelski "persecute" Poles?

which allowed for the building of post-Soviet Poland as we know it now

This is another thing - commies were still in power, still had secret police, still had the army, and they sat with Solidarity at the table and gave up the power without bloodshed. It could have been much worse than in Romania but we managed to avoid a civil war - another thing to thank Jaruzelski for.
Ironside  53 | 13879
17 hrs ago   #15
Soviet forces in Poland were surrounded in their garrisons

By whom? Soviet Forces, who wouldn't do anything without orders, and can you imagine the Communist Party in Poland acting against the Red Army? They had been among friendly forces or, at the very least, neutral. Geez.
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to avoid a civil war -

We wasted time; the civil war will be upon us now, many years after the Soviets lost.
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gave up the power

They gave up, nothing Poland was handed to them on a silver plate, and that is the true meaning of that agreement, they just made some space for a few token so-called oppositionists. The rest of the nation was screwed.
OP Torq  26 | 2074
17 hrs ago   #16
By whom?

LWP

can you imagine the Communist Party in Poland acting against the Red Army?

That's exactly what Jaruzelski did. First, stopped Soviets from entering Poland, which then made it possible to peacefully pass the power to Solidarity at the 'round table'.

We wasted time; the civil war will be upon us now, many years after the Soviets lost.

*puts a cross on himself*

Spit out these words!

The rest of the nation was screwed.

Look at Poland today - does it look 'screwed' to you?
Ironside  53 | 13879
17 hrs ago   #17
Does it look 'screwed' to you?

Not thanks to our leadership. They are obstacles and treacherous *****.
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LWP

Friendly forces, again, do you get it now?
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stopped Soviets from entering Poland,

The Soviets were already in. LOL! What the hell? Is your brain turned off today?
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which then made it possible to peacefully pass the power

That is a slogan. In reality, that was a show that changed very little. It wasn't a good thing. OK?
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Spit out these words!

That's what it looks like. If Tusk meddles in the election process in two years, it gonna happen.
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OP Torq  26 | 2074
17 hrs ago   #18
Not thanks to our leadership.

Well, at least they don't impede the development (too much). Poles are such a smart nation that if we are not hindered by openly hostile forces, we will always end up on top.

Friendly forces

Friendly, as long as the Soviets stayed in the barracks, and they did - that's the whole point.

The Soviets were already in.

Soviet garrisons in Poland numbered about 60,000 soldiers - they were no match for LWP which was about half-a-million strong back then (plus millions of reservists). Those Soviet forces who were waiting to invade (together with their East German and Czechoslovakian sidekicks) were much more numerous, but Jaruzelski's gambit stopped them. They didn't want to engage in a huge conventional war in the middle of Europe while still fighting another one in Afghanistan.

It wasn't a good thing. OK?

Looks like we will have to agree to disagree on this one.

If Tusk meddles in the election process in two years

Not very likely.
Ironside  53 | 13879
16 hrs ago   #19
as long as the Soviets stayed in the barracks,

It is an assumption without merit. As history illustrated, they acted on orders, doing all kinds of things. Claiming they wouldn't act on orders if the Red Army came out of their bases or that the Communist leadership would use LWP against the Red Army is a stuff of legend, or rather delusional nonsense.
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LWP

They were soviet too.
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Not very likely.

He pised on the # constitution and proper procedures, he is locking up people based on nothing. Do you think that the loser will stop? I'm not so sure.
OP Torq  26 | 2074
16 hrs ago   #20
Communist leadership would use LWP against the Red Army

That's exactly what would happen. They might have been communists but they were first and foremost Polish.

They were soviet too.

?

They were our fathers, cousins and older brothers. Remeber that Polish army back then was based on conscripted soldiers - ordinary people. You wouldn't call them Soviet to their faces, Iron. :)

He pised on the # constitution and proper procedures

Just like PiS did before him. However, he won't mess up with democratic elections - he is not Lukashenko.
Ironside  53 | 13879
16 hrs ago   #21
That's exactly what would happen.

That is your opinion, without any basis. You don't remember Soviet Poland.
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They might have been communists, but they were first and foremost Polish.

They were first and foremost selfish rats.
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was based on conscripted soldiers -

They were following orders or else ... faced a bullet. Officers were soviet.
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You wouldn't call them Soviet to their faces, Iron. :)

Who? Soviet officers from the LWP or politurks. I would.
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Just like PiS did before him.

Not like PiS, but brutal and in your face. The fact that Poles do not get it is a different issue.
Bratwurst Boy  9 | 12568
16 hrs ago   #22
See: "Gra Jaruzelskiego. Kulisy stanu wojennego.", Przegląd 50 (1353), pp. 15-17

Interesting details...I remember weakly his black glasses mainly...but the role East-Berlin played in Polen was seemingly alot bigger than usually thought, I just read...and not in a good way!
Ironside  53 | 13879
15 hrs ago   #23
black glasses

Eh! I wear black glasses too, mainly to ward off bright light./
Bratwurst Boy  9 | 12568
15 hrs ago   #24
....interesting too....I just read that Jaruzelski wanted 1990 to station polish troops in East-Germany....for security reasons....
Ironside  53 | 13879
4 hrs ago   #25
the role East-Berlin played in Polen was seemingly alot bigger

They were all Soviet.


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