Why American military aid to Europe and Poland is important to America itself?

Why American military aid to Europe and Poland is important to America itself, or why Novi and Co. are wrong? For example, because we currently have a war of two worlds, a good world against an evil world?

@Alien
It stems from traditional American foreign policy, to prevent other states (in it's time Empires/Imperial Monarchies) from gaining a foothold in America under any possible form (financial, political, militaristic etc) as to push away as far as possible the theatre of war from American soil.

Which is the reason for American involvement in South America and Western Europe+ Asia.

Even tho at first American involvement in Asia was a continuation of pushing out Imperial Spain of Americas and Asia, it quickly turned out to keep potential threats away after the attack on Pearl Harbour.

(Neutralising Japan became a priority, and keeping in mind any aggressive/Imperial east-Asian states in check/on it's radar)

Due to Germany's results in technology/production/industry.

America wanted to have Germany on it's side and as a counterweight to Imperial states that in Europe (Colony states threatening America were: U.K, France, Spain, Portugal and the Netherlands as they had largest presence in America).

After WW2 however it shocked Americans profoundly (just like most states in the world, and disintegrated the thought of Europeans being morally superior as one of the most barbaric acts on a industrial scale was conducted by a European nation).

Post ww2, at first there was a hope that U.S.A, U.S.S.R & Democratic China would keep imperial sentiments at bay, but due to the expanding influence of communism with U.S.S.R leadership in China, Czechoslovakia, Poland, Korea and later on Vietnam, Afganistan and infiltration of Western states it slowly turned both U.S.S.R and U.S.A in to a Cold War.

Just as propaganda wise, Americans were informed of the threat of Fascism/Nazism spreading to America, then eventually to U.S.A, in similar way it was explained about Communism.

Middle east was mostly seen as a theatre of influence with regard to Oil access and support for Israel (as most of America is one form or another type of protestant, it doesn't acknowledge Catholic Church to be the continuation of Israel despite claiming to be Christians, but sees modern state of Israel as the Jewish state and supports it due to ww2 events and as a state that is closest to America in the region where it can excercise it's influence from.

This became rapidly more important after Twin Tower Terrorist attack.

Poland provides similar opportunity as a influence hub in Europe and more specifically within the Slavic realm, as Russia distances itself more and more from America, is belligerent and un-cooperative the chances for Poland to become Americas ally and influence spreader becomes more important to America. (Investing in to Russia = bad, investing in to Poland = good)

To feed that monster- their military / military equipment producets etc

Look up Peter Zeihan, his idea is that after WWII America created the conditions for global free trade (pax Americana on the seas, for example) for any country that wanted to join.

But for the past 20 or so years it has been withdrawing from that role and so globalization will be collapsing.. patterns of consumption have also changed and so existing supply chains don't work anymore.

youtube.com/watch?v=pnZHZ818ypM

I'm not sure about some of his points but he predicted Russia invading Ukraine (by this year) several years ago based on demographics.

To simple put, to capitalize on its colony.

Poland was a russian colony for years and years, now it's time for Europe and America.

If I could, I would hug you for this brilliant post, Lenka. You made my day!


A colony: raw materials out. Finished products in. By that definition, the US is China's colony.

@Novichok
This was not real trade, but controlled by the russians. As I said, russian colony.

It was a colony - we had to produce crap and buy crap. Inferior products traded in worthless paper currency with a gerontocracy.

That would be equivalent exchange. Poland was exploited by the Soviets. Hence the joke about ships going to the USSR and coming back from it.

Maybe I need to learn more about trade, but this seems to me a good deal! Much better than if you made Swiss watches and BMWs and we sent you buckwheat and pipe fittings.

Crap for crap shows Russians were not imperial overlords, but honest brokers.

Some photos below of Polish stores and Polish goods in Moscow. There were apparently two prominent Polish stores - Wanda (Ванда) and Polish Fashion (Польская Мода). Popular consumer products were Polish lipstick, toner, and perfumes. Among perfumes the most popular brand was the absolutely hilariously named «Может Быть» and «Быть Может». I would translate this as "Perhaps Possible" and "Possible Perhaps".

In non-cosmetics the most popular Polish import was frozen Polish fruits from the company Hortex.

Can you guys tell me what you imported from USSR?

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More Polish imports in USSR:

1) "Odra" brand jeans
2) Catalogue of "Pollena" cosmetics factory.
3) Polish furniture set.
4) "Start" photo camera.

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That's what I just said.


Migs and Palac Kultury.

According to Janusz Kaliński, professor emeritus of Warsaw School of Economics (SGH), who examined economic relations between Poland and the USSR, Poland was a beneficiary of the trade relations from the end of WW2 up to more or less mid-70s. In that period, as Professor Kaliński claims, the conditions of mutual trade between our countries were by and large satisfactory for Poland. It changed in the later period (mid-70s to the fall of the USSR) when Poland received for her exports to USSR on average one quarter of its value. However, prof. Kamiński avoids giving the unambiguous answer as to whether Poland achieved net loss or gain in her trade with USSR and claims that giving a straight answer to this question seems very difficult because of limited possibilities to measure mutual gains and profits in centrally steered economies, isolated to a large extent from wider world economy. (Source: "Stosunki gospodarcze między Polską a ZSRR", in Białe plamy czarne plamy. Sprawy trudne w relacjach polsko-rosyjskich (1918-2018), red. A.D. Rotfeld, A.W. Turkonow, Warsaw: PISM 2010).


I have no idea, but I made a quick call to my Dad and he said:

- Zorkij and Smiena photo cameras;
- "Ukraina" bikes;
- various household appliances;
- cars (Volga, Lada, UAZ).

@Lenka " to feed that monster"
But that monster gives you the power to be The Number 1 in the world and this is the only thing the russians fear, because not the Polish Army.

@ Alien
I'm Polish

Lenka darling, I knew it all the time.

The USA leads the Western block of countries which profess democracy and freedom. The Western block has antidemocratic opponents like China or RuSSia which want to abolish democracy and introduce dictatorships in the whole world.

In order to defend and retain Western values, the USA needs to oppose antidemocratic rogue countries everywhere where they are trying to gain control over Western -oriented countries. This time it is happening in Ukraine which desires to become a part of the West.

@pawian,
as if you took it out of my mouth.

...as opposed to the US bergs running Facebooks - those oh-so-democratic outfits promoting diversity of opinions and open debates.

Try to say that a man cannot ever be a woman here and see how quickly you will be talking to some woke moron at the HR department explaining to you how to buy health insurance to cover you while you will be looking for a new job.

It is true that Polaks are exceptionally dumb. Like children. America - good. Russia - bad. Really baaaad.

This is what I said in the other Chatroom. Poland and Ukraine understand that thy have no chance without the USA. If we don't help them than Russia will win and we will have to compete against Russia and China. This would be so stupid for Americans. We need to help Poland and try to save Ukraine.

Darling, we are talking about US military aid, not gender topics. Relax with this obsession. :):)


Read the comment above.

PS. Why do you write such stupidities everywhere? Are you already in your death bed and desperately fight for the last pieces of attention that you can get in life because there will be no more?????

@YankeeDOO
Nice post. You are welcome.

Former US military airport Frankfurt-Hahn was just sold to russia. What for?

The war is prolonged, and this is the first war after Armenia's war with Azerbaijan which is mainly guided by drones. In this war, the American armed forces can learn a lot and test new systems and ways of fighting. It is obvious that this war is important for America and Poland plays a key role in it and in the logistics of supplies.

It is one thing to dissect Russian operations in a classroom in West Point, and another thing entirely to command a Russian battalion through a year of the highest intensity combat Europe has seen since 1945.

After this war, Russian officers can easily go and teach in the United States. At the same time, there's nothing about counter-insurgency that America can teach Russia, that Russia doesn't already know better itself.

Experience is experience.

No, they won`t, coz most of them will be dead or crippled.

Russians know there are Ukrainian saboteurs and partisans in the temporarily occupied territories or in Russia proper. But that`s all. Preventing those groups` activities is beyond Russian capabilities.

It boosts their defence industry, a major employer.

Wars do make money for some.


Teach driving or kindergarten literacy maybe. They sure as hell aren't up to teaching military strategy or tactics given the hash they've made of their three day special operation.

Worthless, shortly speaking. They possess zero initiative, are afraid to take quick decisions on their own, wait until a superior officer gives an order. That`s typical of officers educated in undemocratic systems.

I recall books I read on Arab-Israeli wars. Most Arab officers were completely inept - while Israeli ones were their complete opposites - possessed initiative and the ability to take quick decisions in the battlefield.

I hope Polish officers are like Israeli ones.