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Why Poland achieved nothing at all?


jon357  75 | 25389
18 Jan 2024   #61
RASputin

A better person than history remembers him as. Some of his predictions were very accurate.

Mme. Blavatsky

Actually an ethnic German. Before her marriage her name was Helena von Hahn. Something of a charlatan too.


Lyzko  48 | 10645
18 Jan 2024   #62
@jon, name for me a single famous Russian who wasn't mixed with
something else!

Pushkin for instance was half black, Lobachevsky might have been part Jewish, Shostakovich
was half-Polish, the list goes on....


jon357  75 | 25389
19 Jan 2024   #63
name for me a single famous Russian who wasn't mixed with something else!

Putler?


Bobko  32 | 3352
19 Jan 2024   #64
Many people say he's a Mordvin, lol.

Did you even know of such an ethnicity?


Alien  31 | 7893
19 Jan 2024   #65
he's a Mordvin

Does it have anything to do with the murder?


Bobko  32 | 3352
19 Jan 2024   #66
Huh?

It's mostly Mordvins/Moksha that claim him, but also he seems somewhat obsessed with them. He talks about them often, in pretty glowing terms. This makes people think he may be one of them.

To be honest, I don't think there's any way to tell a Mordvin from a Russian. Technically, they are closer to Estonians and Finns.


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jon357  75 | 25389
20 Jan 2024   #67
Did you even know of such an ethnicity?

Yes.

Of course there's still the issue of his real parentage and the records showing him attending school in Georgia. That and the mysterious deaths of the journalists who published that story.


Alien  31 | 7893
21 Jan 2024   #68
That and the mysterious deaths of the journalists who published that story.

It's so typically russian.


mowiciel prawdy
21 Jan 2024   #69
My geopolitical analysis of the Polish history is best expressed with a maxim of one Soviet poet:

"ponaniosło zarazy z obu stron"

How can you achieve something with such friendly neighbors which invade you now and then as a matter of course? I sometimes think that one of the main reasons for the WW2 was making sure that there isn't a new European power, which Poland threatened to become, but that is probably just a conspiracy theory. I am proud of Poland because it is, despite having such friendly neighbors.


Ron2
8 Apr 2026   #70
The OP has a point. Poland is a follower, not a leader (especially a team leader). 50 years of communism left Poland behind. There are individual successes, but not as a nation (like Sweden or Czechia, for example).


cms neuf  3 | 2436
8 Apr 2026   #71
50 years of communism left Poland behind.

You don't say


Alien  31 | 7893
8 Apr 2026   #72
Czechia

What successes do they have?


amiga500  6 | 2045
9 Apr 2026   #73
What successes do they have?

They qualified for the World Cup.


Alien  31 | 7893
9 Apr 2026   #74
qualified for the World Cup.

Congo also qualified... 🤔


amiga500  6 | 2045
9 Apr 2026   #75
They have a higher GDP per Capita by about 3-5 thousand. Ceske drahy/leo epress/flix train sh*t on PKP, their cities weren't destroyed by the germans. the czech people are way more gentle and friendlier than poles (they actually smile)
You can smoke weed there on the street without being tackled by a SWAT team. Czechs make great beers and are far less drunk than polaks downing vodka.
They had a better de-comunisation process than us (but still 80 percent useless).
Their health system is designed to make sense and is way more efficient. Because they are more humanist than religious there is less judgement about helping the downtrodden
They had the best president ever, the poet and writer Vaclav Havel , will not even compare to the wife beater-traitor-buffoon president Bolek. And just for you closer - to germany with fast transport links

Yes I'm a bit of a Czechophile!! :)


Torq  41 | 2611
9 Apr 2026   #76
Yes I'm a bit of a Czechophile!! :)

Most Poles are, to some extent. :) Czechia is like Poland but without all the trauma, pressure and suicidal heroism.

On the other hand, they seem to have lost their Christian faith as a nation in general, so I suppose - at the end of the day - I'd rather have slightly worse economy and trains, less weed on the streets, and bombed cities than drown in the complete and utter hopelessness of atheism. Yeah, I still prefer to be Polish.


Ironside  53 | 14371
9 Apr 2026   #77
The Poles are, to some extent. :) Czechia is like Poland but without all the trauma,..

What Poles? Plebs? Czechia is a small country located in the mountains. Many people may not pay much attention to it.

Poland's geopolitical position makes it a key country in this part of Europe, but its size and demographics make it difficult to ignore. Poland is too small to become an empire without considerable effort and too large to remain a small country that nobody cares about.

If we are not proactive, someone else will be acting on our behalf, which may not align with our interests.


Ron2
9 Apr 2026   #78
If you recall the years before 1990, many Poles traveled to the Czech Republic to experience a taste of the West. At that time, items considered luxuries in Poland were commonplace in the Czech Republic. Today, living standards are similar in both countries, but look at how their populations compare with Poland's. You haven't commented on Sweden.


Chlebicek
9 Apr 2026   #79
but its size and demographics make it difficult to ignore. Poland is too small to become..

It is large in landmass in European terms but sparsely populated and very rural. Germany, France and Britain each have roughly twice Poland's population. It also has an ageing population, low population growth but a very high NFZ and pension bill that needs to be paid - a ticking timebomb. The immediate proximity to Russia and Russia's war in Ukraine also means Poland has to waste a lot of its money on anti-Russia measures - the military - which is going to mean the national budget is even further stretched in future. It's closer in terms of relevance and importance to Czechia, Slovakia and others than you may think.

czech people are way more gentle and friendlier than poles (they actually smile)

I would disagree with that. Poles seem more emotional - although that means they're also much quicker to anger over relatively minor things. Czechs have more of the Germans' coldness rather than the Slavic fire. Poles don't have the west's openness but there's still a spark there conspicuously missing among many central Europeans. They certainly have a better sense of humour than the Germans, Czechs and Austrians.

You would expect the Czechs (and the Germans, outside of Berlin) to be a good deal more fun than they are, since they're a relatively liberal, secular society. Whereas the Poles are a lot more fun than you'd expect them to be, given the crushing weight of Catholic conservatism.


Alien  31 | 7893
10 Apr 2026   #80
Czechs value their beer with dumplings, evenings spent at a pub, and their Skodas. They're not particularly interested in anything else. Infrastructure in the areas bordering Germany remains in very poor condition. Germans are completely different, more like Poles.


jon357  75 | 25389
10 Apr 2026   #81
Czechs value their beer with dumplings

Going from Warsaw to Prague used to be like going from food hell to food heaven and to a point still is.

evenings spent at a pub

You could divide societies into two categories. Those where people go to pubs/bars as a communal living room, chatting to strangers on. the next table, behaving themselves and being sociable, and those where people sit at home ruminating.

Infrastructure in the areas bordering Germany remains in very poor condition.

Do you know Ostrava? Strange place, the feeling of a coalfield town yet windswept with sometimes empty streets.


mafketis  45 | 12152
10 Apr 2026   #82
Going from Warsaw to Prague used to be like going from food hell to food heaven

uhhhhh what?

I remember the first time in Praha, no matter what I ordered (knowing no Czech and pointing) I would get the same thing, a hunk of roast pork, knedliki and cabbage that had been cooked within an inch of its life and then waterboarded....

What I've also noted is that price doesn't correlate with quality. I once at a real restaurant there and the food was no better than the corner hospody that I usually would go to, if anything it was worse.

It's fun for a week or so, but I'd known people who lived in Czech for longer (Brits and Americans) and they all described going nuts from the monotony.

Czech beer is great, and you can drink a lot without getting very tipsy (unlike over alcoholized Polish beer).


jon357  75 | 25389
10 Apr 2026   #83
a hunk of roast pork, knedliki and cabbage that had been cooked within an inch of..

Mmmmmmm

going nuts from the monotony.

I've found that in Prague the best places to eat are well off the tourist trail.


mafketis  45 | 12152
10 Apr 2026   #84
I've found that in Prague the best places to eat are well off the tourist trail.

I mostly went to neighborhood hospody (usually no other tourists)... but Czech "cuisine" is just not especially varied. Like I said, fun for a week or so but it would be pretty dreary for the long haul.

That said, there are nothing like hospody in Poland.... bary mleczne (the one's that survived) often have good food but not much in the way of (good) atmosphere (I'm being very diplomatic) and Warsaw was always kind of a black hole in terms of eating out for everyday locals.


Lazarus  5 | 824
10 Apr 2026   #85
I would get the same thing, a hunk of roast pork, knedliki and cabbage

You say that like it's a bad thing to get such food and unlimited amounts of awesome Czech beer.


Chlebicek
10 Apr 2026   #86
hunk of roast pork, knedliki and cabbage

You've just described golonka though, apart from the knedliki. 'Pork knuckle' and cabbage is a massive staple all throughout Central Europe. You'll be served the same thing throughout Budapest as well. The food is pretty homogenous throughout this entire region IMO, similar stuff in a Polish karczma as in the Czech and Hungarian equivalents.

I've found that in Prague the best places to eat are well off the tourist trail.

I think in Warsaw it's easier to eat well (and cheaper), certainly in terms of non-European food, than it is in Prague, without really going off the beaten track. Krakow is a similarly tourism-based city though, so god knows what kind of tourist trap horrors you'll find there.

You could divide societies into two categories. Those where people go to pubs/bars as a communal..

Poles don't really have a pub culture like the Czechs. Admittedly theirs are still table service, not bar service like a real pub (as opposed to a quasi-restaurant, beerhall, etc). But Poles don't really have much of a pub culture or many pubs at all compared to other countries. Most venues for drinking are: at home, under the baleful gaze of your disapproving wife; at a wedding; or on a bench somewhere with the lads. But a lot of neighbourhood don't even have a local - you can walk for miles in the residential areas of some Polish cities and maybe encounter one pub if you're lucky.


jon357  75 | 25389
10 Apr 2026   #87
I think in Warsaw it's easier to eat well (and cheaper), certainly in terms of non-European..

Nowadays yes; 25 years ago it was very different, and I relished the trips to Prague. So much in 'traditional' Polish restaurants is pretty well what people make at home and that's more or less true of Czech food which is at least heartier and usually bigger portions.

Poles don't really have a pub culture like the Czechs

Quite. In most places nobody speaks to anyone except the people they arrived with.

But a lot of neighbourhood don't even have a local - you can walk for miles..

My nearest (apart from a bar/restaurant in a shopping mall, a hotel that mostly does weddings and a pizza shop that sells beer is well over a mile away. This is in Warsaw.


mafketis  45 | 12152
10 Apr 2026   #88
You've just described golonka

Heresy! No one could describe golonka as a mear 'hunk of roast pork'

be served the same thing throughout Budapest as well. The food is pretty homogenous

Hungarian food is very.... varied. And over 12 or so trips I can't remember cooked cabbage more than a time or two. They're not even into potatoes much (esp plain boiled potatoes). Czech, Polish and Hungarian cuisines are all very different and no one who pays attention to food could mistake one for the other. Slovak cuisine seems to blend the weakest parts of the three into a seamless bland plate of... stuff....

Poles don't really have a pub culture like the Czechs.

That is sadly, very true. The first time I was in Poland (PRL) I kept bugging a friend to take me to some place were people drank beer... after a lot of resistance finally took me to one, I stood in the door for a moment or two and decided not to go it. Very.... depressing and bad smelling.....

Tha'ts one reason Polish people adopted the word 'pub' because the traditional Polish idea of 'knajpa' was so degraded. After several years and the idea of having a drink or three with friends became acceptable knajpa made a comeback.... though still, it's not a fraternization culture.


amiga500  6 | 2045
10 Apr 2026   #89
drown in the complete and utter hopelessness of atheism.

Facts. facebook.com/share/r/17xUX1DGnv/


amiga500  6 | 2045
11 Apr 2026   #90
to extrapolate God dosn't care if you believe in God, just how you treat his fellow creations.





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