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Anyone know the name, if true... .... Polish Royal heir


Ironside  50 | 12387
7 Mar 2012   #31
There was actually one more:

Stanisław Leszczyński
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanis%C5%82aw_Leszczy%C5%84ski
boletus  30 | 1356
7 Mar 2012   #32
Stanisław Leszczyński

Yes! And coincidently, Leszczyńskis Family used to own Rydzyna residence, later bought by one Sułkowski, who established Sułkowski Ordynat there and a younger line of Sułkowskis.
polishmama  3 | 279
7 Mar 2012   #33
If you are wanting to look into whether or not you have royal blood (let's just go along with this for a second everyone and put aside factual history, shall we? :) ), the only way that it would work would be for you to first trace back YOUR family history. Get your family members names, dates of birth and passing, places of birth and residence, etc. Trace back your own family line. THEN, after you for sure have concrete evidence of your family geneology tracing back to this controversial 4th generation member, you can proceed to trace their family geneology back a couple more generations. Then, learn Polish history to see whether or not this is remotely possible. If it's not possible, well, bonus you still actually learned your family history.

The only two names associated that I know of "spelling is NOT correct" are Swikoskie and Grotchec.

Swikoski could be Swiecicki, Suszycki, Sukowski, etc. As far as I recall, none are "royal" names.

Grotchec could be Grotchev (which I believe is Bulgarian).

Point being, until you know for sure with hard concrete evidence, you said you are a policeman so of course you know this, there is no case to go on.

Also, illegitamite children of nobility and royalty technically are not considered that because they are illegitamite and unacknowledged by the nobility and royalty, irregardless of what country we are talking about. There is the possibility that there is a tie that way, I mean, the nobles and royal family used women of lower social stature for their pleasures and didn't care if a child was produced from it. In fact, sometimes the pregnant serf would be killed or banished.
f stop  24 | 2493
7 Mar 2012   #34
Well, well, well... I might be a countess! ;)
Hrabia translates to Count, yes?

polishnobles.com/Counts.html
polishmama  3 | 279
7 Mar 2012   #35
I mean, if we are going to go there, I'm a member of Polish nobility as well, with two crests to my name ;)
boletus  30 | 1356
7 Mar 2012   #36
Grotchec could be Grotchev (which I believe is Bulgarian).

Let me run these risky speculations :-) ==>
The OP's "Grotchec" could be as well a name of a village, or a castle Grodziec (German: Gräditz or Grodzietz, Czech: Hradec, Old Polish: Grodziecz, Grodez, Grodecz, Grodzecz, Grodzeycz). It all comes from the old word "grodza, grodze, grodz", which means an embankment, or a palisade. From there also comes "grodzisko" - a stronghold, and also "gród" - a stronghold, a settlement, a town.

There are eight villages "Grodziec" in Poland, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grodziec - all across Poland, three hills and one town district of that name. There is also one castle in Lower Silesia and one small castle (a manor) - in Silesia. This is the one that might be of interest here:

A village and a small castle Grodziec (Cz. Hradec, Ger: Grodzietz), gmina (municipality) Jasienica, powiat (district, county) Bielsko, Silesian Voivodship (Province).

It was also a part of Principality of Bielsko - first as a lower rank principality (Fürstentum), then as a Duchy (Herzogtum Bielitz), created by Austrian Queen Maria Theresa in 1752 and 1754, correspondingly. The principality was owned by six Sułkowskis from 1752 to 1848. Their residence was the Castle in Bielsko (now Bielsko-Biała), a.k.a. Castle of Dukes of Cieszyn, a.k.a. Sułkowskis' Castle. Today it hosts Bielsko-Biała Museum, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bielsko-Bia%C5%82a_Museum_and_Castle.

Grodziec is located about 18 km west of Bielsko-Biała, a capital of Bielsko district.

The Grodziec castle is currently privately owned, and undergoes renovation. In XII c. there was a wooden stronghold ("grodzisko") there, owned by a knight named Świętosz, from the village Świętoszówka nearby. In XIV c. a masonry castle stood there, owned by Pełka. In XVI c. the land around Grodziec was given by Casimir II, a Duke of Cieszyn, to a knight of Radwan coat of arms. It is unclear whether his family name Grodecki came from the Grodziec, or the other way around.

In 1542-1580 a new castle was built by Maciej Grodecki, Castellan of Cieszyn, and his son Henryk. The Grodeckis were a known clan: three Grodeckis became starosts of Cieszyn and several others became clerics, including one archbishop and one famous cartographer, In 1650, after the death of the last of the Grodecki clan, the castle was owned by Marklowski family (Wieniawa coat of Arms), then by Jan Dama from Biedrzydowice, Karol Jerzy Sobek, Henryk Ferdinand Larisch, and then again by Marklowskis clan.

In the centuries that followed its ownership was changing many times. In 1927 it was owned by dr. Ernest Habicht, a friend of Józef Piłsudski, and an avid collector of ancient objects and books. During the WWII, after a German field hospital was established there, the collections of dr. Habicht have been devastated. After the war the castle hosted the Experimental Institute of Animal Husbandry from Puławy.
polishmama  3 | 279
7 Mar 2012   #37
boletus, I didn't feel like looking that hard into it. I mean, after all, first the OP needs to do his proper geneology research. Also, if we want to go down that route, there is a mountain in Poland named after my family. Shall I go claim it? ;)
boletus  30 | 1356
7 Mar 2012   #38
I am not that serious about that entire thread :-)
I agree that the ball is in the OP's court. But I did not feel like working today, so I played a bit around on the names. These things are plausible enough.

Yes, you go claim your mountain, girl - unless your family has already sold it. :-)
polishmama  3 | 279
7 Mar 2012   #39
Well, the land in Warsaw has new commercial buildings on it now, wonder if I could claim those? ;) Make them pay ground rent?
Polishprincereve
4 Jan 2024   #40
There was no asian


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