Where is Helena Wolińska-Brus buried?

Pretty much. Look at this, for instance -

bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-11736785

Not a country that takes internet jokes as - well - a joke.

(hence why some of us prefer to live in Poland)

I can understand that. After horrible terrorist attacks in London and other Western cities, not to mention 11.09., authorities consciously infringe on citizens` liberties but seem to go away with it as most people prefer to have their freedom limited than die in an attack.

Really ? Are you in postion to judge delph ? You are what - 25, 26 and three years in Poland ?/ what make you such expert on all things ?

I say that without him things would be even better for Poland.

Funny how you're so shy about telling us where you are and how many of the last 10 to 20 years you have been in Poland for.

All if this information were relevant to the issue debated and furthermore I consequently refuse to post any personal information on the Internet.

However delphian definite opinions on complex issues and brushing off past as a dust which means nothing are not on.
It easy for him as he hasn't lived or experiences much !
his attitude is shallow and need to be corrected.

So his views are easy to dismiss because of how long he's lived in Poland but where you live and the length of time that you have lived in Poland are completely irrelevant. Hmm, why not just admit that you choose to not live in Poland and you have lived here for none of the last 20 years?

It's rather obvious that he ran away as soon as he could, isn't it?

His experience of Poland three years - what he can know but really ?few everyday details?
No, his age(if told the truth) and his attitude (ie I know it all) whereas he is easily impress or he just do not care for what may seem to him internal politics, or just side with his friends.

I just say that he is not in position to be judgmental !


Sure it isn't, I'm Polish and I know all the forces at play in Poland. I also know the stake, few inches left and I would have been more open minded, so to speak.


Oh no Harry, I have, I tried to make a difference, but there are still soviets in charge.
That is the reason I don't like you aside from the fact that you are not quite right in the head, you think that in the vacuum without real Polish elite you can imprint your ideas as to what Poland's path should be.

And your experience of Poland is, oh, you refuse to tell us how long you have lived in Poland. So what can you know? And how long ago was it, meaning how much can you remember?


Funny that, I've been here for 17 years and for none of that time have there been Soviets in charge. So we can conclude from your post that you have lived here for none of the last 17 years.

But don't be so down, you have most certainly made a difference to Poland, a very positive one (by not living here).

And to come back to the topic, the ceaseless efforts of the Polish government to put Wolinska-Brus on trial very nicely show that the soviets have not been in charge in Poland for at least the last 17 years.

I think anyone, from reading reasoned, well researched books can come to the same opinion - that Jaruzelski was an incredibly brave man at the very end. He had no way of knowing that they wouldn't execute him on the spot for treason, nor did he have any assurance that his followers wouldn't turn on him. He also only had Gorbachev's word that they wouldn't interfere - if the hardliners in Moscow had won in 1991, he might very well have been captured and executed.


And others. Aren't they still trying to get Stefan Michnik extradited, as well as quite a few Germans?

Strange how Ironside never criticises Jaroslaw Kaczynski, despite him being a known product of a Communist traitor who clearly betrayed his fellow AK men.

Ah ? From books, nice !


priceless :D


they try and they try and somehow all comes to naught.
As Harry said there some who never moved and nobody bothers them, but Harry thinks that because they are no Jewish, but Harry would think that being err non compos menti.


You lot are doing it overtime besides he is not in charge.


Have you considered that somebody may take you to the court for spreading libelous informations?


Really ? post-communist, WSI, rings any bells ?I think not, you are chasing your own tail, looking for racists and anti-Semites !


I tell you if you tell me your age ... no free lunches.

Books that are referenced by credible historians. You know, people who actually take their subject seriously, rather than fly by night chancers who gain money by writing TUSK BAD.


Easy to say from America, isn't it?

Do I have to remind you that in 1991, there were still significant Soviet military forces in Poland?


I invite Jaroslaw Kaczynski to take me to court, preferably in London. I'm sure the Polish media would have a field day when the details of his father's career in the PZPR (after being an AK solider) comes out.

I know, I was there, while you were pissing your nappies.


credible to whom ?any names ?


Do you have prove that he was a traitor, you know for the court, stipulations are not counting.

He would never need any, given that the gentleman in question has been dead for a while now.

for example; I would spread libelous information about your grandmother and presumably she is not with us, Would I be allowed to do it?

From a legal viewpoint, yes.

No question about that. There's good & bad in all groups; Wolinska Brus was definitely one of the bad ones. Do remember, however, that this was after the worst war in history; all wars have horrific consequences, a fact best dramatized in the English literature in the poem Beowulf.

If only the British & French had stomped on Hitler after the Rheinland. If only the US & others had stomped on Imperial Japan after the Manchurian incident. But no one did anything about the fascist monsters; in the United States, Nazi sympathizers kept our country from doing anything until we were attacked by Japan. which meant a far worse struggle that killed 400,000 US soliders. Had the fascists not been stopped the 60,000,000 who perished might well have been the beginning of a pile of corpses numbering one billion.

I wish I could respond to the person who asked why the Death Camps were built in Poland, but that thread is closed so I'll simply state what my reading reveals here. There were over 1,000 concentration camps in the Nazi empire. Most were slave labor camps. This meant that no German could actually claim not to know what was going on, especially since they knew exactly what was going on with respect to the murder of the handicapped, only about 50,000 ,before the process was halted in Germany itself. The reason concentration camps in Poland were chosen to become extermination factories for Jews was because that's where all the Jews were concentrated; the reason an extermination factory was set up in Yugoslavia was because that's where all the Orthodox Christians lived who were destined for death. It was a matter of German efficiency, not a particular hatred on the part of Poles.

Ask yourself how a former AK fighter could get his children into movies, get a nice big comfortable flat in a decent part of Warsaw - and - even see his children more or less operate freely during the 1980's without being persecuted. Sure, Lech was locked up - briefly - until Daddy got his contacts involved. Jaroslaw was untouchable, or he wasn't there. One of the two.

here you have a CV of Henryk Gołebiewski, one of child-actor from these times.
pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henryk_Go%C5%82%C4%99biewski_(aktor)
Do you suggest, that his father also was a traitor and/or big commie fish?

The UK abandoned Poland first in 1039 and next Durling Yalta conference with Stalin.
They wouldn't even let Polish forces to take part in the parade when the WWII ended.
Disgraceful.
English law is a joke today, look what happened to Tommy Robinson.
Please let me know where Wolisnka's grave is so I can make a visit and simply **** on her grave.
Thank you.

Correction to the date.. 1939 of course

Shame to the UK for not extraditing this monster!

Shame to her nasty, hateful memory!

That`s what I thought in 2012 and was quite resolute about it. Today I am in two minds - spraying red paint on Soviet or communist murderers` tombstones still seems an attractive concept to me. I can`t help it. I call it the education of younger generations.

On the other hand, I see it is exploited too much - vandals desecrate other graves, too, for banal causes, sometimes.

So, let`s change the view and exclude the use of red paint on tombstones.