Was Daniel Fahrenheit a Pole?

Yes Nietzsche's father actually had the family classified as "non-Germans" by the Prussian State because he too believed they were descended from Polish nobles. It seems to have been a family legend with them as the name Nietzsche is not Polish but i think the Poles should "claim" him haha.

It seems Poles must claim many brains.
;)
On many websites it says that Gdańsk was German, not even Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. Hmm.

you guys are being ridiculous. Unless, you can claim someone to be Polish, everyone else is a world citizen, especially if one was obviously a German. Earlier someone came up with a thread about Columbus being Polish, tomorrow it will be George Washington and Winston Churchill.

I guess, this will never change, one can have fun with you guys and talk about many things but never about the history.

He was a misanthrope who worshiped his Poodle.

Well if Hans von Muller debunked it is has to be true! LOL

That is a good question, why would Nietzsche’s sister and Nietzsche put forward the notion they are of Polish ancestry????? Its not like being Polish is something to strive for among Germans. LOL

I don’t think there is any German that has ever wanted to be Polish and not German. The Germans have always been a very proud people.


I have to believe there is a substantial element of truth that Nietzsche is of Polish ancestry and not German ancestry. WHY would he say that?? I mean WHAT German would EVER want be know as having Polish blood instead of German blood???


Why shouldn't the Poles claim Nietzsche? After all Nietzsche has claimed them. ;)

Nietzsche has to be of Polish ancestry. Think about it. WHAT GERMAN citizen would ever claim to be of Polish ancestry KNOWING that he is really of German ancestry?????????

Knowing how proud Germans are, I don't think there has ever been one LOL

He was rebelling against the composer Wagner and Prussian arrogance. That is the real reason he was adamant to claim he was Polish. He was taking a jab at Prussia.

I've read it's been proven he has no Polish ancestors.

Yes and I always heard that he was Polish. I heard a good German friend of mine say it. He brought it up not me.

I don't care what the conditions were at the time. Of course those who want to seem him as being German would augment and exaggerate these conditions.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOO German would EVER want to be POLISH!!!

The notion that a German wants to be Polish is like saying Ice catches fire.

You have never read Nietzsche either. He despised the conformist Germans of his time and claimed that their best stock had emigrated, and if really you think that other Germans have never admired Poles then you are sorely mistaken.

I remember reading a book about the German occupation of Poland, one officer recalled how a polonized German from Płock who just so happened to have the name Goring refused to be seen as anything other than Polish, what made it worse was he was just first generation in Poland.

Penn, c'mon man, you know I like you and I respect your Polish patriotism but let's call things by the names. You were born in Poland and you feel Polish, right? How would you like it if someone will call you one day a Russian? Why can't we all just accept certain facts without getting crazy about it? Let's just all stay by the historical facts instead to follow our preferences.

It's a fact of life that the Germans have probably the biggest amount of famous people in the entire world. Look, I don't have any problem to admit it even though you know how much I love my country, why is it so tough for the Poles to admit it too? I understand that most of you hate the Germans but still let's stick to the facts.

If i lived in Russia for most my life i wouldn't mind it, just like i wouldn't mind being called American now.


I was just replying to MediaWatch's comment that no German would ever want to be Polish, which is total bs.

It's obvious you aren't familiar with Nietzsche's style. It's only natural for him to say he's Polish. For proof of his German ancestry, you only have to look to his sister, Elzabeth. She founded an Aryan (German) colony in South America before the Nazis ever came to power. She was a fanatical Prussian.

but in his case, he was clearly a German or can anyone of you provide facts that he was a Pole?


I know why MW said it. It's because of the known sentiments between the Germans and the Poles. Tell me, how many Poles (I mean real Poles, not those of a German origin) do you know who say that they feel German? It's most likely the same the other way around too.


plato.stanford.edu/entries/nietzsche

I can provide many more sites stating that he was a German. I want you to provide just one stating that he was a Pole, PP.

HUH? I am wondering if you can read, GW, no offense...

This is what I replied to. I overlooked your previous statement.

He said that about himself. Wiki source.

GW, if you ever read Nietzsche, which you probably have not, it is only a natural part of his style to say he is Polish, not German. He constantly makes fun of Germans and Prussians throughout. They are the object of his ridicule. It does not prove he lacks Prussian ethnicity.

Jane, funny, anytime I used wiki as a source, it wasn't accepted on PF. Besides the same "wiki source" as you provided also provides the information that he was a German.

also taken from wiki:

"Modern Nietzsche scholarship does not believe in the legend of noble Polish ancestry"

It's because of historical experiences, In the beginning of 20th century before Poland regained her independence, Poles in former-Polish German lands voted they'll rather be under Russian domination, knowing fellow Slavs would treat them better, except for after Uprisings Poles in Russian Poland had more freedom than in Germany.

It's the first thing to pop up.
:)
Wiki has its references, so it is borrowed from somewhere else.


You know what people say about believes.
;)

Talking about the past. Europe was a "mess". Countries were changing its borders often, people migrated.

you mean like Katyn etc? I personally don't think that the Russians are better than the Germans when it comes to be Poland's "good neighbors".


true, it was a huge mess and it is still in a way but that's another story.
All this still doesn't change the fact that he was a German. Not that I really care but I'm just tired of some people twisting historical facts. It's a same like I'm against calling concentration camps Polish.

Yes. GW. That's already been established :)

Nope....


What makes you think so?


*nods*

The german concentration camps on polish territory they don't want to have..oh how they protest...but other Germans on polish territory they claim as Poles..oh how they fight!

Get a grip people...what is it?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Gabriel_Fahrenheit


Danzig was a Hanse town....also Kopernikus father was working for the Hanse...the Hanse was german.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanseatic_League
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicolaus_Copernicus


en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toru%C5%84


There was much german in what is Poland these days...doesn't make it polish!
See concentration camps...right? Riiiiight!


....and the other way around...

Most people wouldn't want to exchange their heritage like a hat! Nothing especially polish or german about it!

Does it refers to millions of Poles, Kashubians, other Western Slavonic people living in what is Germany these days ?
Roughly about 35% o the total Alemania's population got some well proven Slavic roots.
Many scientists, politicians, artists or simple well skilled professionals among them but according to German school books ... they are all Germans (except Adolf Hitler and Teresa Orlovski) LOL.

Does it refer to French Huguenots, Jews and Russian "Whites" living in Germany ?

It's a well known German craze - using all possible definitions of ethnicity in order to prove Europeans are Germans !
At least the most famous of us but all of a sudden it goes even for an average man in the street - I know the "scientific" pamphlet proving Poles are Slavisated Germans...

So let us agree on that:
Adam und Eva , Tȟatȟáŋka Íyotake (Sitzender Bulle) and all Eskimos as well (das Deutsche Mädchen friert nicht) were Germans !

If wikipedia were to report on a large part of my family, it would appear that they are of German ancestry. Afterall, they had German names, spoke German, and have lived in German cities. But no, they were of Polish ancestry.

Outside of the Germans, no other group of people have spoke German, and integrated into German culture as the Polish people have. But, with all due respect, that doesn't change their Polish ancestry.

Ditto! ;)


...butwhoknowsyoumightbeagerman....
*runs very fast*


Well...seems more like a polish hobby to take a random famous and search for anything polish...I don't know anything comparable to these threads: "Is (insert a famous name) polish?" from german talk boards!

Germans really have no need for that...we have famous people in abundance. We don't stay for falsifying though...as don't do the Poles!

DOHHHH!!!!!!!

Uh oh, you got me there! :D

Although I do not know of any German ancestry that's in my family, I wouldn't mind finding out that I have some German in me.

Afterall I found out that I have some Jewish ancestry in me.

*runs very fast*

:D

A typical cool central european mix....polish, german, jewish!

Congrats MW! :)

Some of the greatest heads in history had been of that mixture! :)

Thanks BB!

I couldn't agree with you more! :)

Germans, Poles and Jews TODAY probably share more of their ancestry then they know. There are a lot of Germans that have Jewish and or Polish in them more then they realize. There are a lot of Poles that have Jewish and or German in them more then they realize. There are a lot of Jews that have Polish-Christian and or German Christian in them more then they realize.

This is true since the borders of Central/East European countries kept changing so much that after a while, many of the people in these countries integrated with each other more then what people of today realize or can be kept track of.

Here are some contributions Jews have made to mankind :)

Jewish Nobel prize winners

jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Judaism/nobels.html
judaism.about.com/od/culture/a/nobel.htm

If I could have my way, I would like to see today's Jews, Poles and Germans stick together as much as possible, despite past frictions.

Well at least on paper, government wise, Jews, Poles and Germans stick together.

I heard a popular Jewish American, Alan Dershowitz, a long time critic of Poles and Germans, say not long ago on the radio, WHO would ever have thought that in EUROPE the two countries with the best relations with the Israelis are Poland and Germany? :D

*nods*

Inspite all regular b*itching our relationships had never been so good as today!
*handshake* :)