70th anniversary of 1943 Wołyń/Volhynia and Eastern Galicia Massacre - controvercies

@amiga500

Thanks, Amiga. That's pretty much what I said, in not as many words, in #408.

But Ukrainians have learnt it from Poles/Polesses. We, as a nation, are also reluctant to admit our crimes in Ukraine aka Rus. Not to mention apologising for them.


You said sth about glotification of SS in Ukraine. How about the glorification of nazionalist soldiers, collaborators with SS, in Poland. Isn`t it almost the same???
Almost means the difference is slight.

Down on your knees, azholes and apologise at last!!!

You are wasting serious political talent, writing here on this forum. You speak just like a Polish politician!

In the words of a poet...

My name is Pawian the ape,
I'm on the Brig o' Leith,
I've lost the key to my arse,
So I'm shittin' through my teeth.

As usual, I may add.


God is my witness that I never desired honours or political offices. But just once, this f*cking once, I would like to be Polish foreign minister sent to talk with Zelensky.

To do better than our FM?? No need to. He performed very well and offered Ukrainians the same demands which you stick to. It is high time you supported PO and its best men coz you speak in the same voice. :):):)

It is less about the way you talk, it is more about the way policies are conducted in Poland.
The way he dares to talk is a factor of all those punks in charge that pass in the world as Polish politicians.
There is fierce competition between them for the title of the biggest incompetent plank of the century.
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tend to your butt and bananas, why are you typing your usual rubbish?

I believe so.


He did not, however, present to them the consequences of failing to meet those demands. That's why he'll achieve nothing, as all others before him.


I am a peasant at heart and by choice, so PSL remains my party. Żywią y bronią and all that.

Why am I writing about those facts?? To change your mentality, darling. You strongly believe Polish crimes on others are good or non important, while others` crimes on the Polish nation are unforgivable atrocities.
It is time to change this freak festival of hypocrisy into humble pie consumption at last.

If that the case you can stop. I think you are a pitiful retard. Change that. It would be almost impossible at that point. changing my mentality is a tall order for somebody else I would take it as an ambition but in you, it is your stupidity talking.

No!!!! Mission Impossible 12! hahaha


Yes, I know, you are a hardened nationalist who doesn`t accept different arguments. There is still a chance you will in your death bed. And you will ask the priest preparing you for the last departure to notify the forum that you eventually accepted pawian`s views.
That is why I am still working on you and won`t stop coz I am stubborn.

No, I'm a person who would accept arguments basied on fact and logic.
These two issues here that prevent me from listing to your dribble:
- You can't provide logic.
- Your claims are not based on facts.

Not one defender of Ukraine here says it's a great amazing country, we just say it's better than Russia, and we want to give Ukrainians money and gear, because them not losing to Russia benefits us. We say western countries are the best place to live right now, and that's why we live here.

Russia apologists are the ones who keep screeching about awful west and great based Russia, how west is globhomo controlling everything and abuse people, nigers burn sh&it and homeless are everywhere blahblahblah while in Russia life is perfect and glorious - so why won't you leave this western hellhole you hate so much, go chill on the Ukrainian frontline for a while (remember, you're winning, Russian casualties in western media are fake and cope, and you definitely won't end up in a mobik cube, right?) for great money and citizenship in the most based, powerful and rich country in the world?

As always you clowns and cowards can only talk, but you won't ever do what you preach, because you know you're 100% wrong and probably wouldn't last a week before buying a rope, if you were forced to change your cozy western country for srus.

That's how you know srus is 100% fuc*ked, because even its biggest and most zealous simps, can't actually force themselves to believe any of the sh*it they say. Ask NATO enjoyer where he wants to live? NATO country. Ask srus enjoyer where he wants to live? NATO country

@Korvinus

Sorry mate, but your English is so poor that I couldn't understand your post.
So, no comment!

Beach, do you even Kaiserin or SMA?

It is amaSSing how your russophilia is blinding you. Germans were granted exhumations in Poland coz they apologised first and repeated it many times afterwards.
Did Poles apologise for their crimes committed during the centennial period of colonisation and polonisation of Western Ukraine???

No, they didn`t. So, what`s your problem, Russian lover???

Stop crying hysterically over injustices in the style of standard Polish denial - Polish crimes are good while foreign - bad. Try to acknowledge your Polish burden of doing a lot of harm to Ukraine in the past. And apologise at last. Only then can you complain about Ukrainians` refusal to cooperate.

civilized people never apologize.

have you ever seen britain apologize to india or to kenya for the bengal famine or the suppression of the mau mau uprising??

what about france apologizing to the people of niger or senegal?

japan apologizing to korea or china?

america doesn't apologize to hawaiians or samoans or cubans. in fact, it sanctions cubans for wanting to be free. they exterminated their native americans - so problem solved - no one to apologize to.

i think the only country that has done any amount of apologizing for anything is germany.

germany is the most civilized country on earth.

also, i think belgium recently started apologizing to congo for what they did. but what they did was truly the stuff of horror films, and difficult to not apologize for.

okey...🤔

mayby, mayby....🤔

what now? where is the logic and consistency? 👎

explain?

what did you want to see/hear?

edit: ah now i see! very stupid of me, indeed.

new conclusion, most formerly powerful or currently powerful countries never apologize for anything, except germany and belgium - which make them the most civilized nations in the world.

good. so no apologies from poland. simultaneously, poles/polesses can`t expect any cooperation from ukrainians in reference to exhumations.
the case is closed, thank you and goodbye, forget the past and let`s move on onto the future.

True!

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Volhyn Massacre rememberance on a car:

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This will end with setting his car on fire. 🤔

No, mission impossible. ):)

The Polish far right/nationalist candidate for president went to Ukrainian Lviv to complain about the cult of Bandera who in Poland is widely considered the mass murderer of Polish settlers who colonised Ukrainian territory decades ago.

Comments which I agree with:
Bandera, who has been dead for over 50 years, is, as it turns out, a serious enemy, but the Nazi saluting Musk is an idol, and the AfD supported by Musk, questioning Polish borders, is an ally of the nationalists in the European Parliament.
Pathetic.

A nutcase and that's it. Didn't anyone tell him that Ukraine is an independent country? Others could also point out (Polish murderers from) NSZ or "Bury" to us.

Bandera was sitting in a German prison at the time. He is not a hero to me, but to some Ukrainians he is, because his idea was a free Ukraine, then occupied by Poland (including my ancestors who after the war with the Bolsheviks received a huge estate in Volhynia, my ancestor was a major in Haller's army. Ukrainians helped them escape)) and the Russians. If we condemn Bandera, we should also condemn Bury, Ogien and the like. The difference in scale does not change anything.

geez, I think you don't like pawian such an insult.
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Well, lies and manipulation. Why are you such a scum?
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Who is we? Who is that pathetic slime? Not a Polish patriot, some progressive leftie-low life.

It is irrelevant. I only care if decent people/apes like me. The rest can go you know where. :):):)

Oh he hurt your feelings, a poor monkey here a rotten banana for you as a consolation prize.

Mission Impossible. Individuals who are morally below me can`t hurt me coz I am above it and them. That is one of my life guiding principles.

Give back banana.

And here is how he was commented on by a former nationalist, now a decent man who dropped this pathetic natio folly.

Tuesday's recording of Sławomir Mentzen, who in Lviv appealed to Ukrainians to stop commemorating Stepan Bandera, caused a storm in Ukraine.

Roman Giertych, Polish Parliament member, once a nationalist, addressed Mentzen. I must say I have`nt expected him to possess such sane judgment. He must have read some of my posts here. Amasing!

"Today you were the hero of all Russian media. You are an idiot, because by destroying the fragile and weak thread of understanding between Poles and Ukrainians you are destroying the only barrier against Russian domination in our part of the world," writes Roman Giertych in a letter to the Confederation politician.

"You are just an ordinary, simple, slightly pompous, unobtrusively intelligent idiot who is useful to the Kremlin, hence their bots and media promote you . Realize that we are alone. In the event of a military conflict, the US will not support us, because it is ruled by someone who considers Europe an enemy and himself a god," he emphasizes.

"And now, Mr. Mentzen, realize in your empty skull that the only hope for your generation not to go to the trenches is that we maintain the unity of Europe supporting Ukraine and provide our neighbors with the money and weapons needed to wait out Trump or Putin (or preferably both) until the end."

According to Giertych, initiating a dispute with the Ukrainians is "stupid, anti-Polish and anti-civilizational".

Kania, Iron and all Polish superhurray "patriots" who promote your silly selfish interests at the cost of Poland`s interest, read and learn from a wise man.