Szczebrzeszynie, family name Tzitron.

my name is Noa, and i m from israel..i started looking up my family's history and i saw that my grandfather was born in a small town called-Szczebrzeszynie, is there someone here then knows it? and can help me track down family members that are left there maybe? it can be interesting! thanks you

last name is tzitron

It's: Szczebrzeszyn. Google it to find out what it is famous for all over Poland :-). Tzitron must be Citron, by the way.

CYTRON: from the German word for lemon Zitrone. Only some 15 users left, 11 of them in Upper Sielsia (Katowice region).
Szczebrzeszyn is famous for the saying: W Szczebrzeszynie chrząszcz brzmi w trzcinie. It is a nonsense phrase meaning 'In Szczebrzeszyn a beetle is buzzing in the reeds', but it is said to be the hardest to pronoucne for non-Poles.

Nonsense phrase? Somehow for us in Poland that phrase makes all the sense! And it rhymes well too!

By nonsense phrase is meant that it does not convey some vital truth or clarify anything. It was chosen solely to illustrate the difficulties many foriegners have with hissing-shishing Polish pronunciation.

'Nie pieprz, Pietrze, wieprza pieprzem...' is another well-known Polish tongue-twister..

I beg to differ.... this saying conveys a clear message to me. And the other as well.

It's also tough for native speakers ;)

"W Szczezbrzynie chrzaszcz brzmi w tcicecinie." - J.B.

Szczebrzeszyn; jak mozna tak nazwac miasto? To tak jakby zakazac obcym wymawiac poprawnie nazwe tego miasta. Wiem ze sa takie nazwy miast w Walii w Wielkiej Brytani.

I'm trying:

"Tschebscheschin" ? Is that correct?

More or less, B.B.-:) @Thanks, Alien!

Better than correct BB 🙂

Darn close phonetically, that's for sure.

Not yet. Don`t start with T coz it is wrong. Start with sth close to Sch like in Schloss.

Schebscheschin?

I have to admit that sounds alot softer than the name looks!

No. I said you should start with Sch like in Schloss, but then you need to pronunce cz like tsch.
So, it is Schtschebscheschin.

....I think I'll stay with Schebschebschin....I like that!

So you will never impress a Pole with a native-like pronunciation. :):)

....*sighs*....oh well....maybe I should try harder....but I really like how that sounds...

As a German, you should strive for perfection, not fun! Never forget about it!!! Work hard first, play later. Otherwise, you will lose your identity.

Now you got me....dammit! :)

Yes, Germans are known for accuracy which leads to perfection. So, think of this pronunciation of Szczebrzeszyn in the context of Ordnung muss sein and you will skip those childish dreams of speaking as you like and begin practising to achieve a perfect ordnung.

A bit stereotyped!

I don't see where all that excitment is about Szczebrzeszyn. Brzmi is a lot worse as it craves more vowels.

if you need more vowels just ask Czechs: they have famously a phrase: 'prst skrz krk' that makes perfect sense in their language

It is like rebranding of "Dänisches Bettenlager" to JYSK lately in Germany. What the hell ist JYSK?

It's a Danish company. The name Jysk means "from Jutland".

We have them here in Poland too. It's a good shop for moderately priced stuff like bedding and garden furniture. The firm's original name was Jysk Sengetøjslager, however for a few years the German shops were called something else for ease of pronunciation.


Powiat Łękołody...

Jyde = a Jutlander Jode = a Jew (with a right slash through the 'o')

Even the English alphabet is superior. Amazing...An alphabet without those idiotic dots, slashes, tails,...just a through z. Wow!

Simple doesn`t always mean superior. Or yes, it does, but only for simpletons who aren`t able to grasp a wider perspective. :):):)