Jewish Roots of Poland

It's not the color; it's what those eyes say to you.

I love your positive thinking!*hearts Jola* :)

You racist you!

Green and brown are more lovely!It was objectively proved through the investigation of the German psychologist Hilde die Wasserrübe,
gemuesekiste.at/rezepte/wasserruebe.html
who devised Lovleness Quotient, or LQ. Just compare:

LQ of eyes

brown - 189
green - 134
blue - only 80

No comment.

Little of topic but let me squeeze this in anyway.

In the recent presidential plane crash I wondered why the chief rabbi of Poland, Micheal Shudrich, was not there. It's a legitimate question since several hundred officers murdered in Katyń were Jewish including the chief rabbi of the Polish armed forces, Rabbi Baruch Sternberg. Rabbi Shudrich was invited to the ceremonies but did not go. I found the answer though as to why.

Since the ceremonies were on Saturday, the rabbi was not able to fly as that would be a violation of the Sabbath. Keeping the holy day holy saved his life.

israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/137018

"Objectively", ha! I've heard Hilde was a Brownie herself...and her assistants had all been Greenies...

Reminds me of a Japanese scientist who studied women pubic hair patterns which according to him was an idicator of the good qualities of women. Lo and behold, his research showed that women with sparce pubic hairs were the best quality. Oriental women, that is. LOL. Pity I don't remember his name.

Heh:)

Now how do we find our way back to the thread topic...*scratches head*

Sorry, I've killed the thread once again.

Let's hope so :)


Nope, neither was any of my grandparents but they were in Warsaw and I can't remember them telling me they were killing Jews and that they were doing it with a smile or anything really


Extremists in general I would say. People get desperate (my teacher from history and philosophy said that after a time they would seek a strong man like Napoleon, Hitler etc)


Ive got some in the cellar but I am not allowed to touch them sorry
(I also hate wine so now you know)


Yeah I guess so
(even "prostitutes" got their hair done in a bold fashion in Band of Brothers)
biggest hamper for Poland in this matter is the lack of documentation among Western historians.[/quote]
I completely agree with that one


Look at what people have written and respond? ;)

I am pretty sure of that. If you look closer at those pics, you will see that to every person that brings a hitler-greeting, there are dozens who don't and just look angry at those dirty occupiers.

And besides, there were ppl cheering the German troops as they marched in everywhere.


But take a look at the circumstances under which they rose to power? Nearly always there was some economic crisis going on or things were generally going downhill. Problem is that the mass doesn't look any further than their noses, as we say in NL. They seek immediate relief of their burdens and think they can retrieve that by getting a leader-type of person. Unfortunately, quick solutions don't last long and sometimes, as in Hitler's case, the remedy is much worse than the illness. To establish long lasting effects, the procedurs generally takes a long time with no immediate effects, but with more durable effects in the end.


So, there's no reason NOT to give me those bottles :) A shame, if you have a very good cabernet sauvignon or a good chablis, you don't want to drink anything else after that experience. My doctor ordered me to drink red wine, if I wanted to drink alcohol, and I haven't regretted it since. Before I liked white wine better, but white wine doesn't have the same effect as red wine does, because of the tanine in there.

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M-G (is being picked up by friends later on today to share a nice glass with them)


Everywhere there were groups in the population that welcomed the German troops as they marched in. Everywhere there were ppl bringin the Hitler-greeting or giving them flowers. Not everybody, I'm not saying that, but there were always groups who did.

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M-G (just look on pics)

Which pics M-G? When you say everywhere, do you mean everywhere in Holland? Certainly you don't mean Warsaw.

Ask yourself - if your country was invaded, who would cheer? There are always cowards and opportunists who change sides AFTER the fall of the country but there's nobody who would be happy to be invaded.


That reminds me, there's one particular photo of a crying woman doing the Nazi salute and every time I see it posted somewhere, it has a different caption. I've seen her described as Austrian, Czech, Polish, French and German, come claim the photo was taken in 1938, 1939, 1945... some claim that she's crying from happiness, others that she was forced to salute.

It doesn't tell me anything.

Well, maybe not in Warschau, but I've seen pics of German troops entering Prague and plenty of the ppl there were cheering. I'm not saying everybody did it, but the members of any fascist party present in the country would do that. Yes - in NL as well, but also in other countries.


Of course not. But that's not what I meant. Indeed, I was aiming at the groups of collaborators, traitors, cowards and fascist groups as there were in most countries of Europe. The vast majority of course didn't cheer.

Well, I don't know if they were forced or not. If I have time I will post some pics, right now I have to hurry to get changed, my friends will come pick me up in an hour and since I'm kinda immobile at the moment, this changing takes quite some time. So probably tomorrow, ok?

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M-G (actually if everybody thinks that NL was such a sympathising country, ask the contemporary Rotterdammers what they thought of the German invaders who just bombed their city to shatters and killed 8000 ppl in the process, or the ppl from Middelburg, who's city was devastated as well and the ppl from Rhenen and in Eindhoven)

Well, Holland had the percentual biggest participation in the Waffen-SS...


And Volksdeutsche not to forget...why should they not cheer their own troops coming to rescue them at last!

I know that. Hitler considered them also the ppl that were closest related to the Germans, therefore he conducted a somewhat different approach. But, according to testimonials of captured German militairy after the war, they'd never met such general hatred towards them anywhere in Europe as in NL.

Now go and watch my aerobics clip in the "What are you listening to" thread, I'm sure you like the clip :)

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M-G (really has to change now)

Indeed indeed


I wonder if there were any Jews in Poland giving flowers to the Wehrmacht hoping for a better future like the times of when Prussia was ruling, right BB? ;p

Tja, what does that say about the Dutch?

Opportunists par excellance? First cheering the invaders, running to work with them like no other...once the invaders are losing terrorizing the "collaborateurs" like nobody else? Posing themselves all as brave resisters???

A phenomenon that could be also observed in boot-licker/surrender/collaborateur country France btw.

What does that say about the state of your minds...

They were talking about the time when NL was occupied, not about after the war. Sorry for any misconception there.

Now go and enjoy the hot women in my clip and let me get on changins, will ya!

:)

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M-G (hurry)

Reminds me of Sweden

Will do! :)

That's the point, bro. That's why one should avoid misleading words like everywhere. Similarly, one should not say that all Jews were communists.

And don't bother with the pics. We seen them. Vatela has a point there. We've all seen footage of Jews dancing in streets of Warsaw Ghetto. No explanation necessary.

Jewish religion didnt allow to marry a non-jewish and it was really respectable law. I've recently read a monography of my father's hometown and there were lots of Jews. Although it was very friendly atmosphere towards the Jews, they never mary a Pole or no one change religion, etc.

Is this insult? This is provocative title. Poland don`t have Jewish roots

It's of course an individual's own choice, but I think "never" is an overstatement. I am sure there will be instances of Jews marrying non-Jews and vice versa, love knows after all no religion.

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M-G (tiens)

I am living proof of this. I can't say it was necessarily 'love', but it was perhaps 'convenience'.

I'm afraid Crow it would be more ofensive to Jews - they have been always insisting on their genetic purity...


No its not overstatement. Now its the course of an individual choice but throughtout centuries and even recent times before the war it wasnt. It was a problem to marry a Pole by a person from religious background, even if that person wish to do it.

Me too.


Maybe they "had to get married" if you know what I mean? :) With my parents it was like that.

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M-G (tiens)

I know exactly what you mean. And to think, it was all about 'me' :)

That was exactly the problem in Poland, the most anti-not so merciful Poles were the fascist-right wing nut jobs towards Germans. (any enemy really)

Now back to the thread.
Ive heard there were plenty Jews siding with Poles during uprisings is this true?

A famous colonel Berek Joselewicz and his regiment were certainly there:



en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berek_Joselewicz


Anyone seen this stamp?

One of the more interesting episoded was the creation or attempted creation of Hussars of Israel by Adam Mickiewicz. There is little information on this but if anyone finds some, please post it.