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Do I have any Polish physical traits?


Mark Layhee 1 | 1
2 Jul 2015 #1
I'm Mark, 22 years old. I am coming to the forum because lately I have a desire to learn more about my heritage. I am having issues with my biological father's side. Because he left my mother when I was 2. I heard from him on the phone in 2012, but his side of the family are all New Yorkers, and they're sadly living in poverty. They all have alcoholic issues and they're divided to no end. I asked my cousins about him and they tell me he's trash and to avoid him. I can't even ask my dad's family about our heritage.

My mom only told me that her side is Sicilian and English. . My father is Polish and German. Those are the four nationalities I have in me and I know there's more in me that I'm not aware of. So since ancestry.com is a scam, and it cost tons of money to get real results.. I am asking Polish natives... How Polish am I? I figure if I visited Poland, people might think I blend in well if I have Polish traits.

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I apologize for not shaving ;)
Wulkan - | 3,251
2 Jul 2015 #2
ancestry.com is a scam

How do you know it's a scam?

Do I have any Polish physical traits?

With this appearance in Poland you'd look right at home.
OP Mark Layhee 1 | 1
2 Jul 2015 #3
I can try ancestry when I can scrape some money up. Thanks :). I should have studied Poland earlier. I can tell you guys are far more patriotic than US citizens. I don't know your view on the nationalists in our country, but they seem passionate to defend their homeland.
jon357 63 | 14,255
2 Jul 2015 #4
So since ancestry.com is a scam, and it cost tons of money to get real results

Ancestry.com isn't a scam, but it doesn't give you the answers on a plate. Sometimes they have special offers.

How Polish am I? I figure if I visited Poland, people might think I blend in well if I have Polish traits.

There aren't any traits as such, except perhaps those characteristic of Central and Eastern Europe as a whole. It's more complicated than that.

I can tell you guys are far more patriotic than US citizens. I don't know your view on the nationalists in our country,

Don't confuse nationalism with patriotism - they are two very different things. And never trust anyone who describes themselves as either.

sadly living in poverty. They all have alcoholic issues and they're divided to no end. I asked my cousins about him and they tell me he's trash and to avoid him. I can't even ask my dad's family about our heritage.

Trust your own judgement rather than your cousins'. They might actually be very nice people - alcoholics often are, and poverty is nothing to be ashamed about.
Wroclaw Boy
2 Jul 2015 #5
I heard from him on the phone in 2012, but his side of the family are all New Yorkers, and they're sadly living in poverty. They all have alcoholic issues and they're divided to no end. I asked my cousins about him and they tell me he's trash and to avoid him.

Poverty, alcoholism, trash people, sadly in the word we live in these traits are typically associated with poor people, not the other way round. Theres always two sides to a story.

I can tell you guys are far more patriotic than US citizens. I don't know your view on the nationalists in our country, but they seem passionate to defend their homeland.

Patriotism and nationalism are destructive mindsets, not much good can come from them, these days being confident in oneself is a much more beneficial mind set, if you go back far enough the entire human race is related.
jon357 63 | 14,255
2 Jul 2015 #6
I'm still puzzled by these so-called 'Polish physical traits'. Apart from the flat head backs, not unique to Poland, there aren't any traits that are unusual all over Europe.

Looking at the OP's picture, he (if he were a European) could be from many places, not especially Poland.

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Wulkan - | 3,251
2 Jul 2015 #7
Apart from the flat head backs, not unique to Poland, there aren't any traits that are unusual all over Europe.

Flat head backs can be seen all over Europe, the back of my head isn't flat and I look very Polish.
jon357 63 | 14,255
2 Jul 2015 #8
Particularly noticeable in Eastern Europe, including Poland. It is perhaps a Slavic physical trait. Brachycephaly is much more common in Eastern than Western Europe. It is a genetic thing. Though yes, not everyone in PL has is. But most do.

Worth googling - there have been a lot of studies on this
Totti
2 Jul 2015 #9
Here's an interesting read on the Poland syndrome

ghr.nlm.nih.gov/condition/poland-syndrome

"People with Poland syndrome are missing part of one of the major chest muscles, called the pectoralis major. In most affected individuals, the missing part is the large section of the muscle that normally attaches to the upper arm on one side and the breastbone (sternum) on the other."
Wulkan - | 3,251
3 Jul 2015 #10
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It is perhaps a Slavic physical trait.

Where is the source of this information?

Brachycephaly is much more common in Eastern than Western Europe. It is a genetic thing. Though yes, not everyone in PL has is. But most do.

Most Polish people have Brachycephaly? you must be living in a different Poland then, it is obviously not truth to such a point that I'm not sure if you're serious.
Lyzko 24 | 6,792
3 Jul 2015 #11
As stated ad nauseum here on PF, when I close my eyes and envision a Polish male, he is generally broad-faced, oval-headed and quite fair, with a lantern jaw, sculptured facial structure, even features and a muscular build; and there you have him - Andrzej Duda!

LOL
jon357 63 | 14,255
3 Jul 2015 #12
Andrzej Duda!

Duda couldn't really be anything else - The same with Kwasniewski.

Though Leszek Miller (if we're taking politicians as examples) is different. There's are always exceptions to everything and Silesia (historically, linguistically and culturally different) is quite a big one.

Most Polish people have Brachycephaly?

Yep. Check this out.

you must be living in a different Poland then, it is obviously not truth to such a point that I'm not sure if you're serious.

Perhaps you never noticed when you lived there - Silesia, wasn't it? Brachycephalic heads are a Slavic trait.
InPolska 11 | 1,821
3 Jul 2015 #13
Most Poles look like they could be from anywhere in Europe. Nevertheless I have noticed too that some men have very flat heads. Those I have seen were in remote areas and in very poor circles if in towns so probably the result of alcoholism and reproducing oneself within the family....
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
3 Jul 2015 #14
Brachycephaly

Aren't high cheekbones a more typical Polish facial feature than the short-headedness you are on about? Also frequently pronounced noses? Some have large ears which is usually seen as a Jewish trait.
jon357 63 | 14,255
3 Jul 2015 #15
Aren't high cheekbones a more typical Polish facial

The cheekbones are well enough known, however there are exceptions to every rule.

One commentator wrote (in a very good article) about angular faces.
Wulkan - | 3,251
3 Jul 2015 #16
Yep. Check this out.

I already have and it is not truth

Brachycephalic heads are a Slavic trait.

source to this cause your being boring...
jon357 63 | 14,255
3 Jul 2015 #17
So you don't think that the back of the head being flat is more common in Eastern Europe than Western?
Whatalovelyday
3 Jul 2015 #18
Can you post a picture of the flat head syndrome you are referring to?
jon357 63 | 14,255
3 Jul 2015 #19
syndrome

Syndrome?
Whatalovelyday
3 Jul 2015 #20
Stop splitting hairs Jon. Pictures please, or it didn't happen .....
Wulkan - | 3,251
3 Jul 2015 #21
So you don't think that the back of the head being flat is more common in Eastern Europe than Western?

I don't know. Last time I noticed a lot of people with the flat back of the heads was in Greece. I was there on holiday for 2 weeks and although not many of them were bold it was still very visible. I'm not sure if it's because they are mixed with arabs or is it a Greek thing. I'm also not sure if we should categorise Greece to Eastern or Western Europe. To me it's a Southern Europe.
jon357 63 | 14,255
3 Jul 2015 #22
Greece to Eastern or Western Europe. To me it's a Southern Europe.

Geneticists say it's a 'Dinaric' trait. That could also include people in Greece. The exact term is planoccipital. If you go to Africa, you hardly see it at all, however in Poland it seems to be quite common.

Have a look next time when you're in a mixed group of Poles and Brits. I think you'll see the difference in the back of people's heads.
Wulkan - | 3,251
4 Jul 2015 #23
Have a look next time when you're in a mixed group of Poles and Brits.

I have been in a situation like almost everyday for a last 11 years since I live in England.

however in Poland it seems to be quite common.

surely not as common as majority
jon357 63 | 14,255
4 Jul 2015 #24
surely not as common as majority

I think probably yes - if not, it certainly feels like it. When I've got a bit of time, I'll find a couple of pics - I think you'll agree when you see them.

I have been in a situation like almost everyday for a last 11 years since I live in England.

Next time, observe closely - you might be surprised.

To go off the head thing but still on topic, I remember seeing a group of businessmen between about 45 and 55 in age, half of them Polish and half of them English who were at the Warsaw Marriott for a conference. All near-identically dressed, none of them slim. Without looking at the faces/heads, it was easy to tell who was from which country. The suits were identical. Can you guess how? :-)
Wulkan - | 3,251
4 Jul 2015 #25
When I've got a bit of time, I'll find a couple of pics

Yep, post them pictures cause we all want to know the things you see.
jon357 63 | 14,255
4 Jul 2015 #26
the things you see.

Nah, I'll lift them of the internet, so you can see the things scientists see.

No reply to my question about the besuited businessmen? It's blindingly obvious and very much a physical trait....
Wulkan - | 3,251
4 Jul 2015 #27
so you can see the things scientists see.

the scientists see that Polish people have flat heads?
jon357 63 | 14,255
4 Jul 2015 #28
Looks like you're deliberately trying to misunderstand. Read up on Planoccipital skull shape - it's a trait that dominates in certain regions of the world, including Eastern Europe.
Wulkan - | 3,251
4 Jul 2015 #29
including Eastern Europe.

I've never been to Eastern Europe so I can't confirm that
daniel.89
4 Jul 2015 #30
but black hair isn't common at all in Poland !


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