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How is this herring product typically served?


johnny reb 49 | 7,254
8 May 2023 #32
We do.
Meanwhile to get back On-Topic.....
Steamed Cauliflower and Green Beens, mix with creamed herring, pour over a bed of rice.
jon357 74 | 22,263
10 May 2023 #33
It's purchased in chunks bottled in wine sauce

I've not seen it in wine sauce however traditional sledzik (there are several ways to make it) is easy and delicious.

Mine is a little bit unconventional (using mayonnaise rather than sour cream and both onion and apple) however it always goes down very well.

Herring in oil can also be good and is a nice accompaniment to vodka.
Miloslaw 19 | 5,065
10 May 2023 #34
Herring in oil can also be good and is a nice accompaniment to vodka

I hated it as a kid, but maybe I should try it again as tastes change as you get older and oily fish is very good for you.
johnny reb 49 | 7,254
11 May 2023 #35
Herring in oil can also be good and is a nice accompaniment to vodka.

Peas and potato's are nice with vodka too. :-)
The best thing about herring is that herring is among the lowest-mercury fish.
jon357 74 | 22,263
11 May 2023 #36
I don't fancy either of those, not least because vodka goes best with cold food however sledzik is a classic Polish dish and one with many variants.
johnny reb 49 | 7,254
12 May 2023 #37
because vodka goes best with cold food

Not necessarily as dumplings with a variety of sauces makes vodka a real crowd pleaser.
Quite popular actually.
jon357 74 | 22,263
12 May 2023 #38
Not in Poland served with vodka.

Herring is more common (not just in Poland but in the whole 'vodka belt') and is generally served cold and preserved with oil, brine or sometimes vinegar.

Dumplings (does he mean pierogi or one of the other types since he mentions 'sauces') are served in a different way and different context.

Serving preserved herring hot is vanishingly rare. I do it sometimes however I've not seen it elsewhere.
johnny reb 49 | 7,254
12 May 2023 #39
Serving preserved herring hot is rare.

There are many recipes to Google for hot herring over dumplings.
Not rare at all.

I do it sometimes however I've not seen it elsewhere.

Quite popular in the Eastern Caribbean countries actually.
I would be willing to bet they cook it in Poland too.
Just Google herring over dumplings in Poland

simplytrinicooking.com/dumpling-and-smoke-herring/
jon357 74 | 22,263
12 May 2023 #40
No, there aren't 'many recipes' as a google search shows and nor is the output of any non-European food bloggers that you tried to scour ''google' for reflective of the way food is served in Poland.

Preserved herring is served in many ways, almost all of them varieties of sledzik, a cold dish.
johnny reb 49 | 7,254
12 May 2023 #41
almost all of them varieties of sledzik, a cold dish.

Almost is the key word and is limited to Europe.
Now I see you have added the word "Preserved" to your defense.

there aren't 'many recipes' as a google search shows

Oh lord joun, obviously you didn't Google "Herring over dumplings in Poland ?"
There are endless peppers, onions, and spices to add to prepare cooked herring.

Serving preserved herring hot is rare.

Being as popular as herring are in Poland one would have to question that.
In fact I do believe Pawian in that past posted one of his recipes of hot herring over dumplings.
Feniks
13 May 2023 #42
Serving preserved herring hot is vanishingly rare.

I've eaten it many many times in Polish homes but not once has it ever been served hot.

There are many recipes to Google for hot herring over dumplings.

There aren't and that would not be eaten in Poland.
mafketis 37 | 11,009
13 May 2023 #43
hot herring over dumplings.

what do you mean by dumplings? pyzy? (what type of pyzy ziemniaczane or drożdżowe?) kopytka? kluski (again... what type?)

and things are not served 'over' dumplings..... dumplings are served 'in' sauce or 'with' something....

I'm sure somewhere in Poland some people have had herring served hot somehow but it's very marginal thing.... conservatively speaking I'd say 95% of herring in Poland is served cold.

I have a Danish cookbook that featured breaded and fried herring and a Polish friend thought it sounded insane.... actually they have breaded and fried herring but... it's served cold in a vinegar brine



jon357 74 | 22,263
13 May 2023 #44
and things are not served 'over' dumplings

In Poland never, unless he's talking about kopytki which he's never heard of.

added the word ....Preserved

Mentioned long ago; it's what we're talking about on this thread. Herring in Poland is sold preserved in either oil, brine or vinegar. Fresh? No. Most centres of population I. Poland are a long way from the sea and in pre-refrigeration days were even further.
johnny reb 49 | 7,254
13 May 2023 #45
Not in Poland - not in Poland ever

I've eaten it many many times in Polish homes but not once has it ever been served hot.

The name of the tread is; "How is this herring product typically served".
I didn't see the word "Poland" in it.

and things are not served 'over' dumplings....

But they are maf, did you read my post #32 above which is very popular.
Here is another recipe for herring over dumpling (One of my favorites) as there are endless recipes for herring mixed with endless things to pour over dumplings as a sauce or gravy.

everesthimalayancuisine.com/smoke-herring-and-dumplings-a-delicious-combination/

That is my source to prove that you guys just want to beat a dead horse.
The world does not revolve around Warsaw.
jon357 74 | 22,263
13 May 2023 #46
tread

Thread. And the product is, as the OP mentioned:

Lisner Wiejskie Herring Fillets with Onion 450g

These are pieces of herring preserved in oil with onion. It is served cold or most often used in other cold dishes.

Most of us posting (as opposed to trying to argue) here know that.
Feniks
13 May 2023 #47
The name of the tread is; "How is this herring product typically served".
I didn't see the word "Poland" in it.

It's a main page thread posted in the 'Food' forum. Click on ' Food' and it says ' Talk about traditional Polish cuisine, Polish food, and drinks. Polish recipes, restaurants, and more.'

Whether herring is popular in the Caribbean is irrelevant.
johnny reb 49 | 7,254
13 May 2023 #48
Mentioned long ago;

Yes, I see that, six posts back, (long ago) lol

we're talking about on this thread. Herring in Poland is sold preserved

And I am talking both fresh AND PERSERVED in salt.
Have you ever heard of salt fish ?

Poland are a long way from the sea and in pre-refrigeration days were even further.

Yes join and that is why they salted it because salted cod and herring don't have to be refrigerated.
You lost this debate "a long time ago" from your re directs to dumplins, vodka, sauces, Poland exclusively, not many recipes, '"vanishling rare", not many recipes in google (which is not true), I do it sometimes but not elsewhere.......need I go on with you redirects to continue to diminish the fact that herring is served hot over dumplins with is quite popular along with being served over rice hot too.
jon357 74 | 22,263
13 May 2023 #49
six posts back, (long ago) lol

In the first post in the thread.

This isn't a debate however if it was, you'd have lost.

Lisner herring fillets are a very popular product and are used in cold dishes.
johnny reb 49 | 7,254
13 May 2023 #50
Click on ' Food' and it says ' Talk about traditional Polish cuisine

Why did you guys take it so far OFF - Topic then ? :-/
Feniks
13 May 2023 #51
The only person trying to take the thread off-topic is you rambling on and on about herrings over dumplings. You've been told many times now that herring isn't served that way in Poland but you're still prepared to argue the toss with people who actually know what they're talking about. Herring dishes in Poland are served cold.

If you want to ramble on about world food open a thread in the off-topic section. As you should know by now, main page threads are for discussion about Poland.
mafketis 37 | 11,009
13 May 2023 #52
did you read my post #32 above which is very popular.

yes. it was stupid and wrong.

I'm making a language point. If you search (in Polish, cause this is about.... Poland, not the Caribbean or the Himalayas) dumplings are served 'in' (w) sauce or 'with' (z) sauce or other topings, not 'over' (nad or maybe na).

Quite nice actually and very Polish.

Sounds awful and not Polish at all....

they can be used in hot dishes too.

theoretically yes, maybe a few people in Poland have prepared hot dishes with herring but at least 95 % (probably over 98%) of herring in Poland (not talking about some other place) is consumed cold.

Herring is sometimes cooked but then it is cooled for a long time (and/or chilled) before being eaten.

Why is this hard for you to understand? What is not clear?
jon357 74 | 22,263
13 May 2023 #53
at least 95 % (probably over 98%

I'd say at least 98%. When I've done it for guests they've always said that it's the first time they've encountered it.

Most herring from jars etc is either eaten as it is or used in a sledzik.

dumplings are served 'in' (w) sauce

This is true.

When I get back from the shops, I'll post my sledzik recipe. A little unconventional but recognisably Polish and always goes down well.

There's another nice one that I get served at home sometimes from Ukraine: it uses pomegranate seeds which aren't much used in polish cooking at all but are more common in Ukraine due to the Black Sea Coast.

It's worth trying to save the thread from the odd efforts of a troll to derail it.
pawian 224 | 24,699
13 May 2023 #54
Perch fish was usually served.

You mean one of the most beautiful fish in Polish waters??? Perca fluviatilis??? Amasing!



Feniks
15 May 2023 #55
Thank you for verifying what I was fighting to say.

He also said that probably over 98% of herring in Poland is consumed COLD. Why are you still persisting with this? And it's still not served over dumplings either. The simple fact is that you are plain wrong. Take a trip to Poland and order herrings because it seems to me this is the only way you might actually realise that you're talking sh!te.

Also, please stop with the Polish babcia bit cooking the herrings because from past posts you claim that your grandparents were from Slovakia. That's probably not true either but maybe they eat herring hot there 😂
pawian 224 | 24,699
15 May 2023 #56
And it's still not served over dumplings either.

Did anybody claim it? That`s a crazy idea. I must try it out. Ptak will be delighted seeing a new Polish recipe. :):)
johnny reb 49 | 7,254
15 May 2023 #57
And it's still not served over dumplings either.

My Polish babcia serves it that way and hot.

I must try it out.

I can post the recipe as it wouldn't be anymore off - topic that your post #54 is.
pawian 224 | 24,699
15 May 2023 #58
I can post the recipe

Do it for Ptak. :):) If he needs to empty his stomach by puking one day, that recipe will work wonders for him. hahahaha

your post #54

Stop this infantile hysteria at last. Be a man, for Goddess` sake!
Feniks
15 May 2023 #59
I'll post my sledzik recipe

Yes please, I'd like to give that a go.

a new Polish recipe.

Perish the thought :(
jon357 74 | 22,263
15 May 2023 #60
It's quite easy; with the quantities I just play it by ear though; it's simple food that you can adjust to your tastes. I tend to go a bit heavy on the apple since I like things with apple in however of course it depends on what you like.

Quantities are vague in part because I usually do it for big gatherings, 15+ people and am in a hurry making all the other food for them. This works well made in advance and left a bit.

Take some preserved herring, the kind preserved in brine. If you use matjas ones or other really salty ones, soak in clean water overnight, changing the water at least once. Chop the herring into small pieces. They don't need to be neat or around the same size. Put into a bowl.

Chop one or two large apples (depending on how much herring you're using) into small pieces. Fairly tart apples or sweeter ones both work well in their different ways.

Chop one or two onions into small pieces. White onions work well though any will do. It would work well with shallots probably.

Mix it all up in a bowl. Add most of a jar of mayonnaise fresh mayonnaise really lifts it. Don't use all the mayonnaise you've got; some is needed later.

Weigh it down with a plate with something heavy on top and leave in the fridge at least overnight.

In the morning, pour away the liquid that's been pressed out and refresh with the rest of the mayonnaise. I've sometimes done this twice if it's made a couple of days in advance.

Add fresh herbs. Dill is a classic in sledzik .

It should last a few days and is one of those things that improves after a day or so.

It's not especially authentic. In Poland it's usually done with onion or apple but not both together. It always goes down really well though.


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