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Why Americans think that nobody likes them?


Tymoteusz 2 | 353  
12 Aug 2009 /  #31
but they also tend to be double-faced and can come across as arrogant, but it's just how they were brought up...

Examples?
Amanda91 1 | 135  
12 Aug 2009 /  #32
That's a stupid simplification, and one of the reasons the American perspective is so disliked.

reaction like yours makes us dislike you and makes us say, we don't give a damn about your opinion. You guys are forcing us to react that way.

can come across as arrogant, but it's just how they were brought up...

has nothing to do with how we were brought up. It has to do with aggressive comments about us that lead us to perform that way.
pgtx 29 | 3,159  
12 Aug 2009 /  #33
Examples?

of double-faced or arrogant? :)
scrappleton - | 830  
13 Aug 2009 /  #34
double-faced and can come across as arrogant

This I will grudgingly have to agree with. That's a perception probably based on truth. There are many simple bastards here in the US and they think the sun shines out their a.ss. Particularly rich kids traveling to Europe, Argentina, Austrailia etc who do not represent the majority.

I would think in coming decades the arrogance will wear away because it's going to be a lot harder for the US to maintain the hegemony it once had. It will still be a key player just not THE player.

You scream when we act. You scream when we dont.

Unfortunately, this is very true too. You're better off avoiding the European because they're always mad at you and will either be hostile to you or want to give you a lecture about how evil you are. I wouldn't go there on vacation either. Sorry but I've had enough dealings with them to know their character most of the time. And like I said earlier, it's funny because they probably do have easier lives than us.
Tymoteusz 2 | 353  
13 Aug 2009 /  #35
reaction like yours makes us dislike you and makes us say, we don't give a damn about your opinion. You guys are forcing us to react that way.

Its the collectivist mentality again. Its frustrating to them that we simply wont do, or think the way they want us to. True individuality is a strange concept for them. They have what is best described as a "hivemind" sometimes. Interdependence is their social control structure. I still love them though....
JustysiaS 13 | 2,240  
13 Aug 2009 /  #36
if Americans think that Polish people don't like them then what good does it bring if they come to this forum and whinge about it? i don't go on US forums and cry about yanks telling jokes about the Poles. it's a bit silly.
pgtx 29 | 3,159  
13 Aug 2009 /  #37
who do not represent the majority.

a few examples will never represent the majority... every nation has its own character and because we all are different, we will read each other differently...
scrappleton - | 830  
13 Aug 2009 /  #38
Its frustrating to them that we simply wont do, or think the way they want us to.

Agree.. A shot at their ego we never intended to make.

They have what is best described as a "hivemind" sometimes

Which is why Nazism and communism were born there. A dangerous mentality.

I still love them though....

A lot to admire and respect about them. No doubt. I'm not sure there won't be another Renaissance for them either.
TheOther 6 | 3,821  
13 Aug 2009 /  #39
but don't you dare to defend yourself, everyone is turning against you

Defended yourself against Iraq and its (non-existent) WMD? Very much debatable... :)

When the US went into Afghanistan to fight the Taliban and get Bin Laden, most nations were behind you. But when Bush and Cheney decided to invade Iraq and play the "Old Europe" and "If you are not for us, you're against us" card, support withered for a reason. Not the Americans were disliked abroad, but the arrogant US government of that time.
tornado2007 11 | 2,274  
13 Aug 2009 /  #40
I do love it when peopel gang up on the more powerful nations, its almost like they are jealous that their country does not have the same power, i find it sad that people need to pick at the US and other nations for trying to keep the world in order. I mean lets be honest there are not many other nations that could do it, in the least Poland, the US is an easy target for anybody who wants to attack it.

I see people attacking it all the time, well all i can say is at least they are making the effort, more than can be said for the rest of the world, who would lie down to the dogs of the world. You carry on in your idealistic lives, thats all well and good until it affects you, then you would scream blue murder if thousands of your citizens were killed.

Whatever the US does in response to any terorist attack is fine by me, it just goes to show that that country should not have messed with a bigger, more powerful nation, everything has its place in this world, there are just those who cannot accept it.

as for WMD, lets be honest, of course there were none. At least Saddam was removed, its not like its the Allies fault if the rest of Iraq cannot pull together, let them kill each other. Its over religion and rubbish like that, when all the stupid people have killed each other that will leave the ones who can live in peace. :) Not a bad thing if you ask me.
Pierogi - | 43  
13 Aug 2009 /  #41
as for WMD, lets be honest, of course there were none. At least Saddam was removed, its not like its the Allies fault if the rest of Iraq cannot pull together, let them kill each other. Its over religion and rubbish like that, when all the stupid people have killed each other that will leave the ones who can live in peace.

Which is possibly why Saddam probably should have been left alone - the situation is hardly much better now, but at least he knew how to keep his people in line. All the Iraq war has done is swapped one devil who understood the culture, for a devil who doesn't.
Tymoteusz 2 | 353  
13 Aug 2009 /  #42
A lot to admire and respect about them. No doubt. I'm not sure there won't be another Renaissance for them either.

I really hope there is! Europe is essentially recovered from its recent past. I would love nothing better than to see it assert itself on the world stage again. Bosnia and even the recent Somalian pirate situation lead me to believe that they do not yet have the will to be a real force in the world yet. Maybe it is a lack of self-confidence?

if Americans think that Polish people don't like them then what good does it bring if they come to this forum and whinge about it? i don't go on US forums and cry about yanks telling jokes about the Poles. it's a bit silly.

I dont make Polish jokes. I have a facination with the Polish people, I want to learn their opinions, and I want to share mine. I want to know why my family left. I want Polish to be my third language, out of respect for my ancestors. You can never offend me with your opinion, regardless if yours supports, opposes, or is irrelevant to mine. You have a right to it, always.

When the US went into Afghanistan to fight the Taliban and get Bin Laden, most nations were behind you.

With the exception of the Poles and Brits they were a few miles behind us if I recall.

I guess we'll all agree that this is very much debatable...

Hivemind, manipulative statement. WMD was a small part. I do however know that it had more to do with economic warfare against the U.S. (Think oil bourse with Euros as the currency) Dangerous for us and eventually even more so for Europe. It was a stated goal in UBL's letter to America. (Can you believe he called us America? Where the hell was he edumacated?) To disclose it at the time would have created a panic in the markets. Anyways, We created Saddam, It was our responsibility to clean up our mess.
tornado2007 11 | 2,274  
13 Aug 2009 /  #43
Which is possibly why Saddam probably should have been left alone - the situation is hardly much better now, but at least he knew how to keep his people in line. All the Iraq war has done is swapped one devil who understood the culture, for a devil who doesn't.

to be honest though, who cares if the Iraqi's are killing each other over religion, does that not show how stupid and inept they are??? Let them blast the shite our of each other, then maybe we will end up with the 'real' Iraq, where people can live in peace.
OP Ironside 49 | 10,174  
13 Aug 2009 /  #44
I have relatives in Kosovo right now serving in the military. Where are you? (Look of disgust.)

Last week yet another Polish soldier was killed in Afghanistan, and you don't even notice but ask Where are you now? (look of pity)

Check your facts first T.

OK, I'll do my best to stick to the question.

Thank You for your honest and important contribution to this thread!

Ironside I know quite a few youtube videos too. Do you want me to start with it? Believe me, they will beat your by far, lol.

Well, don't look for an excuse just hit me!

Its the collectivist mentality again. Its frustrating to them that we simply wont do, or think the way they want us to. True individuality is a strange concept for them. They have what is best described as a "hivemind" sometimes. Interdependence is their social control structure. I still love them though....

Its frustrating for me too, I mean you guys talk a lot about how independent you are how individualistic but when someone dare to criticize federal Government - most of you (anyway on PF) yell sky high about hate, about Europeans etc

Funny though that you happened to mention the collectivist mentality :)
pgtx 29 | 3,159  
13 Aug 2009 /  #45
I see people attacking it all the time

imagine yourself as a center of attention at a party... some will admire you, some will be jealous, some will hate, some will love...
the US is such a great country... look at its short history... some older countries didn't established half of what the US did...
there is a price for everything... and Americans pay it... tak czy inaczej...
Tymoteusz 2 | 353  
13 Aug 2009 /  #46
Last week yet another Polish soldier was killed in Afghanistan, and you don't even notice but ask Where are you now? (look of pity)
Check your facts first T.

Sorry dude, mistook you for one of the Netherland guys. My bad.
TheOther 6 | 3,821  
13 Aug 2009 /  #47
as for WMD, lets be honest, of course there were none

I hate it when politicians openly lie to me. And look at the mess now - somewhat, Old Europe must have been right in the first place. You know, in my daughter's school district they have to lay off over 50 teachers - lack of funding they say. And then the feds spend $1 billion a month in that god-forsaken country for nothing, instead of investing that cash at home. Yes, Saddam was removed and that was a good thing. But what else has been achieved in all those years?

Hivemind, manipulative statement

That's what Republicans say... ;-)
scrappleton - | 830  
13 Aug 2009 /  #48
I mean you guys talk a lot about how independent you are how individualistic but when someone dare to criticize federal Government - most of you (anyway on PF)

That dcchris kid is a yankee, he didn't agree with us, he agreed with you. On the health care thread we've been disagreeing with each other left and right.
tornado2007 11 | 2,274  
13 Aug 2009 /  #49
imagine yourself as a center of attention at a party... some will admire you, some will be jealous, some will hate, some will love...
the US is such a great country... look at its short history... some older countries didn't established half of what the US did...
there is a price for everything... and Americans pay it... tak czy inaczej...

i agree with you, its down to jealousy of those countries that have little or nothing, The US has achieved a lot and is a world power. People who knock it are usually those who are jealous and wish they were in such a position :)

I hate it when politicians openly lie to me. And look at the mess now - somewhat, Old Europe must have been right in the first place.

yeah and of course such great leaders as Saddam Hussein, mahmoud ahmadinejad and Kim Jong il never lie or distort the truth :) You can pick onthe west all you like but i see nothing better :)
TheOther 6 | 3,821  
13 Aug 2009 /  #50
yeah and of course such great leaders as Saddam Hussein

Of course, they lie. But you don't want to compare some weirdo dictator to GWB, Cheney and Rumsfeld, do you (cough, cough)? <g>

You can pick onthe west all you like but i see nothing better

Why would I pick on the west? I'm currently living on the west coast of the USA and I'm really loving it here. But that doesn't mean that I cannot criticize my host country on occasions.
Tymoteusz 2 | 353  
13 Aug 2009 /  #51
That dcchris kid is a yankee, he didn't agree with us, he agreed with you. On the health care thread we've been disagreeing with each other left and right.

I would almost bet money that DC is of a different culture than I. Anyways, when it came to understanding Govt and politics he is dead on.
tornado2007 11 | 2,274  
13 Aug 2009 /  #52
Of course, they lie. But you don't want to compare some weirdo dictator to GWB, Cheney and Rumsfeld, do you (cough, cough)?

well their your nationality representing your country?? maybe your in a better position to answer that, after all i think its a better of two evils :)

Why would I pick on the west? I'm currently living on the west coast of the USA and I'm really loving it here. But that doesn't mean that I cannot criticize my host country on occasions.

its easy to critisie your host, maybe one day you will do it to your own nation, i mean i could easily pick on a nation that i have lived in for years but was not born in, therefore not a citizen of that country.
OP Ironside 49 | 10,174  
13 Aug 2009 /  #53
I do love it when peopel gang up on the more powerful nations, its almost like they are jealous that their country does not have the same power, i find it sad that people need to pick at the US and other nations for trying to keep the world in order. I mean lets be honest there are not many other nations that could do it, in the least Poland, the US is an easy target for anybody who wants to attack it.

Does it surprise you that those country's that make things happen are under scrutiny?
They actions affects others, so the only thing they can to is voicing their concern - should they bow to the stronger in meekly submission?

You can do it if you want but not everyone have that trait in one character.
Anyway who is attacking US now that you are jumping out to their defense?
scrappleton - | 830  
13 Aug 2009 /  #54
I'm currently living on the west coast of the USA and I'm really loving it here.

Eh? You're a limey? They always live here and criticize us with abandon. At the end of the day they'll want to run you out on a rail. Even on the West Coast.
tornado2007 11 | 2,274  
13 Aug 2009 /  #55
Does it surprise you that those country's that make things happen are under scrutiny?

not really, what else are you to expect when your at the top of the world, even in sport the champions are always under the most scrutiny, why should it be any different when it comes to politics or world affairs.

They actions affects others, so the only thing they can to is voicing their concern - should they bow to the stronger in meekly submission?

well that rather depends on the nation dosen't it?? what else were you thinking of doing?? Its okay to disagree, i don't think anybody has a problem with that, at the end of the day though they can do shite all about it :)

way who is attacking US now that you are jumping out to their defense?

I think the US is under a lot of attack on this forum, i'm defending a country which is not even my own, i'm English and am more than willing to stick up for a nation that is surrounded by jealousy :)
TheOther 6 | 3,821  
13 Aug 2009 /  #56
its easy to critisie your host, maybe one day you will do it to your own nation, i mean i could easily pick on a nation that i have lived in for years but was not born in, therefore not a citizen of that country

To voice my personal opinion doesn't depend on whether I live in my country of birth or in another one.

You're a limey?

Nope, born in Australia.
Tymoteusz 2 | 353  
13 Aug 2009 /  #57
Eh? You're a limey?

Oh Noes! "tea sips" on my west coast! God help us!
TheOther 6 | 3,821  
13 Aug 2009 /  #58
"tea sips" on my west coast

LOL

I thought you're from Dayton, Ohio. Not directly on the west coast...
PlasticPole 7 | 2,649  
13 Aug 2009 /  #59
Scrappy is the only Americano here with an inferiority complex.
scrappleton - | 830  
13 Aug 2009 /  #60
God help us!

God help your local dentist. He's going to have to work in shifts.

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