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Are polish pupils harming native british childrens education?


osiol 55 | 3,922  
3 Dec 2007 /  #151
noimmigration

No immigration, therefore no emigration?
Because it is only a matter of where you are standing.
wildrover 98 | 4,451  
3 Dec 2007 /  #152
shi*t like you has got to say

Steady Justysia , remember you are a lady....

Lemmon curry....is that legal.......?
El Gato 4 | 351  
3 Dec 2007 /  #153
the point is the children can only speak Polish and the Schools have no funding for the influx of non english speaking children. That means ordinary teaching resources are having to be diverted from educating the existing children, whilst they are attempting to teach the other children english so that they can take part in the day to day lessons. This is a major problem and quite rightly exisiting children should not be put in a position where their education is severely affected by this. This Government should quickly identify the area's where this is happening and provide the necessary funds to assist. Headteachers shouldn't have to go and lobby for funds they should be in School !!

Well then that's the government's fault and not the immigrants'

The government allowed them to come in such large numbers without really thinking it through. Student's shouldn't be getting blamed for this.

Thanks for clearing that up. :] I thought he was just being a hypocritical @ss.
the_falkster 1 | 180  
3 Dec 2007 /  #154
not that poles need an education as you dont need a degree to clean toilets

how god damn stupid is this person actually??
seems as if you got your education on dirty toilets...

by the way. did you now that poles when they go back home have to pay taxes for all the years they worked in a different country?

it's not them who can be blamed but the governments of both states who need to sort that out. at the end you should pay your tax where you earn...

but as i said. it is NOT the immigrants who are to be blamed.
even foul language doesn't change that...
slick77 - | 127  
3 Dec 2007 /  #155
how god damn stupid is this person actually??

in the scale from 1 to 10 he gets 15
ShelleyS 14 | 2,893  
4 Dec 2007 /  #156
Are you really so... "unsmart" ?

and you're a cock! - like I said turn off the lights on ya way out Dog!

even foul language doesn't change that...

neither does violence, but you seem to revel in the fact that you used to go out kicking tish out of drunkards in Poland
Wroclaw Boy  
4 Dec 2007 /  #157
hey slick did you get my response on the thread: poles - the nation of liars

and to top it off they get all the tax they paid back when they leave.

Do they really? i know nothing about that please explain.

Do all Poles in the UK live in groups of 5+ in one bedroom?

Im afraid that most do Slick, I remember going to a typical Polish household back in 2005 with my Polish girlfriend in not the best area of Southampton. There were approximately 12 adults living in a three bedroomed house, i saw it with my own eyes. There was (in addition) two babys less than a year old, both born in England. At the time I was a little concerned planning a baby with my then GF and we both had respectable carreers and a two bedroom flat. Got to hand it to the Poles they sure are resourceful.
Lady in red  
4 Dec 2007 /  #158
Do all Poles in the UK live in groups of 5+ in one bedroom?

Do all English live in Council houses, on benefits and get drunk every night.
Slob on the sofa all day, watching tv and lazying about ?
ShelleyS 14 | 2,893  
4 Dec 2007 /  #159
know nothing about that please explain.

People from A8 countries can claim their tax back when they leave the UK...
Wroclaw Boy  
4 Dec 2007 /  #160
Do all English live in Council houses, on benefits and get drunk every night.
Slob on the sofa all day, watching tv and lazying about ?

Hi Lady.
No but some do, in the case of Poles living in cramped conditions to save money and send home, then yes most do.
Lady in red  
4 Dec 2007 /  #161
n the case of Poles living in cramped conditions to save money and send home, then yes most do.

Yeah, well thanks for that info Wroclaw Boy but it's not entirely correct ot say 'most do'. The ones you have met or seen may do but that is not 'most' of them in my book. But it's fair enough to post your comments based on what you have seen. Accomodation is expensive in the UK as well.

I know some Poles who don't live in 'cramped conditions' and I do mean those who emigrated here recently.

Some English people live in cramped conditions and have lived here all their life, some other nationalities also tend to live in small houses and house many family members of all generations.

:))
the_falkster 1 | 180  
4 Dec 2007 /  #162
Quoting: the_falkster
even foul language doesn't change that...

neither does violence, but you seem to revel in the fact that you used to go out kicking tish out of drunkards in Poland

there you must have mixed me up with someone else posting in this thread! read carefully before blaming me for things i never did and certainly would never do... apology expected!

People from A8 countries can claim their tax back when they leave the UK...

and as i mentioned above they still have to pay their taxes in their home countries. this is most certainly not going to stay like this forever and is down to bureaucracy, ie immigrants CAN'T be blamed for that! is it really that difficult to understand??
Lady in red  
4 Dec 2007 /  #163
People from A8 countries can claim their tax back when they leave the UK...

So does that mean English people living and working in another Country can do the same i.e claim their tax back when they come back to England (with their kids who maybe were receiving free education too). Am assuming they would of course have been working in a member EU state ?

:))
the_falkster 1 | 180  
4 Dec 2007 /  #164
but it's not entirely correct ot say 'most do'

100% of the poles i know live in perfectly normal conditions.

but certainly i understand the idea of sharing houses to save money. do not students in the UK do pretty much the same?? ;)
ShelleyS 14 | 2,893  
4 Dec 2007 /  #165
blame the system you moron, your government admitted themselves it is wrong. Poles are laughing in your face and taking your money even though some of them arent in UK and what you gonna do huh?

Nice!
Wroclaw Boy  
4 Dec 2007 /  #166
I know some Poles who don't live in 'cramped conditions' and I do mean those who emigrated here recently.

There are numerous high paid careers taken by Polish professionals in the major cities, sure. My business account manager in London is Polish. Although i think we can safely state that the majority of Poles who emmigrate to Engalnd are absolutely skint and are in search of a better lifestyle which is the driving force for their move in the first place. These are the people who will take a small room and share if necceasry in order to save money. My experience or not that is the reality.

Some English people live in cramped conditions and have lived here all their life, some other nationalities also tend to live in small houses and house many family members of all generations.

Every one can generalise with such topics, and anyway we are not talking about the minority here and even if we were they are English and therefore have the patriotic right to do what ever the hell they want in their own country.

As for the other immigrants, thats old news and they are slowly becoming over shadowed by the new.
the_falkster 1 | 180  
4 Dec 2007 /  #167
neither does violence, but you seem to revel in the fact that you used to go out kicking tish out of drunkards in Poland

show some manners please...
here is the post you are referring to. definitely not me, right...
https://polishforums.com/archives/2005-2009/uk-ireland/drunken-poles-streets-london-16655/#msg308825

therefore have the patriotic right to do what ever the hell they want in their own country

LOL!
you are kidding, aren't you?
how 19th century is that point of view, please?
ShelleyS 14 | 2,893  
4 Dec 2007 /  #168
Actually LIR our tax rules are pretty strict for those british working abroad - some people get stung quite badly depending on when they re-enter the country
Lady in red  
4 Dec 2007 /  #169
they are English and therefore have the patriotic right to do what ever the hell they want in their own country.

Yeah ? Well, maybe they should be out working cleaning the toilets then there would be no work for the immigrants and then they would have to go elsewhere to look for similar work ?
ShelleyS 14 | 2,893  
4 Dec 2007 /  #170
show some manners please...

twat!
the_falkster 1 | 180  
4 Dec 2007 /  #171
oh...
i see you are not very good in admitting a mistake but expect everyone else to simply take everything for granted you say?

look you wrongly accused me of doing something i did not do!
apologising for that is the least you could do...

manners? apparently not...
Wroclaw Boy  
4 Dec 2007 /  #172
So does that mean English people living and working in another Country can do the same i.e claim their tax back when they come back to England (with their kids who maybe were receiving free education too). Am assuming they would of course have been working in a member EU state ?

The fact is Lady when Brits emmigrate abroad they take into consideration the education of their little ones and accomodate for this. There are many English schools situated in most countries and they all charge a fee. Brits and other nations enlist their little ones into these educational facilities and pay the fee therefore solving the issue of their childrens education before even contemplating such a move.
Lady in red  
4 Dec 2007 /  #173
Actually LIR our tax rules are pretty strict for those british working abroad

Well, I wonder why that is then ? Has it got something to do with the fact that people from the 'A8 ' countries have very low incomes ?

I have to admit, I am not that knowledgeable about tax issues (are you a tax adviser by any chance?) but whatever arrangements have been made by the EU for the 'A8' countries will have been the right decisions to be made.

But thanks for the information Shelley :))
Wroclaw Boy  
4 Dec 2007 /  #174
Yeah ? Well, maybe they should be out working cleaning the toilets then there would be no work for the immigrants and then they would have to go elsewhere to look for similar work ?

I rest my case.

you are kidding, aren't you?
how 19th century is that point of view, please?

Repeat that in English, KRAUT.
the_falkster 1 | 180  
4 Dec 2007 /  #175
KRAUT

yeah... and my first name is SAUER, stupid...
any problems with that?

or do i have no right to live in the UK neither? :D
Wroclaw Boy  
4 Dec 2007 /  #176
Never said anyone had no rights to live in the UK, nor do i have a problem with your name.
I would just like an explanation to your reply so i can respond.
Lady in red  
4 Dec 2007 /  #177
other nations enlist their little ones

I'm not actually sure that is a factually correct statement. I don't think the majority of people who emigrate from the UK pay for 'private' education. But I shall have a look at that a bit later as I have to go and do something else and go offline for a short while.

I'll be back to debate further.

As an aside----It appears to me that there are a lot of false misconceptions being raised on this forum .......but when the table is turned against 'British' people, then they do not like a taste of their own medicine do they ? I'm really not referring to any particular poster by the way, just merely making an observation !

Debating issues based on hard fact is great. But when it's all based on stereotypes, misconceptions and totally against one Nationality then it just gets to be a bit 'sick' in my opinion.

PF is starting to look like a Forum for British people to come on and knock Polish people..........it's stupid, it really is ! We're all part of the EU now and Britian reaps those rewards the same as any other member state. It's fairly obvious, poorer countries who joined recently have a lot of catching up to do.....

If you don't like the EU let your MP know lol.............

<edits were some spellings lol........>
the_falkster 1 | 180  
4 Dec 2007 /  #178
nor do i have a problem with your name.
I would just like an explanation to your reply so i can respond

that's why you address me as KRAUT??? okay, i understand this. big posters in this thread have apparently a problem with a reasonable grown up discussion as ShelleyS already proved.

in addition to my answer above. "patriotic rights to do whatever they want to do in their own countries" is just a little backwards as a statement.

we are living in the 21st century and UK is part of the EU and benefits from that fact as well. people have to understand that and not only point out the negative things that happen...

would british people really prefer to live on their own on their island without any connection to the EU?

patriotism in connection with aggression is extremely dangerous (as KRAUT i know what i am talking about) and a thing of the past where it should stay, please.

no problem with pride on your heritage but the "my-nationality-is-better-than-yours" mentality in this forum is really so wrong.

i would expect that when people register in a forum that includes certain nationalities, they show a certain open mind. unfortunately that does not happen and like little children they argue about who has the biggest willy...

pitty, as it doesn't solve any problems...
Wroclaw Boy  
4 Dec 2007 /  #179
Thats the most sensible thing you ever said....(that I have read).

Oh crap Im quoting Lady by the way. Falkster i deal with you shortly.
the_falkster 1 | 180  
4 Dec 2007 /  #180
what a coincidence that LIR has posted a similar shaded post than i did at the same time... :)

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