Are polish pupils harming native british childrens education?

No they went because that was their job. Are U.S. soldiers in Iraq there because they spot an opportunity for material gain? Of course not, and so it ever was.


I've never heard hundreds of thousands of Irish described as such but you feel free. This also invalidates your earlier point on my arithmetic skills.

And why did someone decide to send them there?
(Please notice that Polish government is not sending any troops to protect Polish citizens in the UK)

luminarium.org/editions/trueborn.htm

Not for the material advancement of the soldiers, which was the original point.

Yaaay! I win.

and who robbed the Iraqui museums?

Daisy, who disputes bout that? If you have to say it for other to hear thereby convincing yourselves its does make me wonder.

it's for Shelley's benefit

In Canada, after a certain number of years in service, British soldiers were granted land. Considering that before joining the army they owned no more than what they were wearing, they ended up benefiting materially from the service.


seems like your joy is premature :)

Fair point. Though this wasnt the norm by any means.


Yeah, but it was good while it lasted.

True. Some never survived the retirement age. Others (officers) actually had to pay to acquire their rank, although in the end they did also get material benefits (land in the Colonies or back at home, shares in big companies, and they) which were proportionally larger, depending on their rank, years of service and merit. Officers as well as regulars also received salaries.


That's life. We all have our ups and downs. That helps us tell the difference between the two ;)

This is an interesting arcticle i read a couple of months ago, wasn't sure it coud be accessed online but just found it......

'How to deal with a shrinking population.' The Economist. July/August edition 2007.

economist/opinion/displaystory.cfm?story_id=9545933

........................definitey worth a read

Not sure how to do url's sorry and I have a mac.......so don't want to be confused. Lol :))

Quoting: ShelleyS
Im ENGLISH and my coutry is ENGLAND

Sorry Daisy, I knew you where well informed than that, making statements from the depth of depravity. Some people just ought to take a second look at who they are; and if been English is all they have then they ought to be ashamed of themselves.

And one of the articles about Japan that i alluded to in an earlier post, can be read here also:-

'Japan's changing demography' The Economist Juy/August 2007 Edition.
Cloud, or silver linings?

economist/world/displaystory.cfm?story_id=9539825

This is a small excerpt from the article just to show how ageing is affecting Japan. But it's not only Japan I read in the other article that the Russian Army is having problems recruiting because of youth shortages too :))

"Certainly Japan is greying at an astonishing rate. Shortly after the second world war the proportion of Japanese over 65 was around 5% of the population, easily below that in Britain, France or America. Today the elderly account for one-fifth of the population, and average lifespans have grown remarkably. Life expectancy today is 82, up from a little over 50 in 1947.

By 2015 the proportion of elderly will have risen to one in four of the population, or more than 30m"

Also, "Can a working population support such a number of future retirees? Today's younger workers appear not to think so. Two-fifths of them are not paying contributions towards the fixed portion of their state pension scheme (current contributions fund present, not future retirees), suggesting they don't believe that the scheme will be viable when they retire. And they may be right."

Hope some of you find that interesting :))

you so missed the point,you gave figures for 1841 to 19..,by which time no Tax was being paid to britain by the US..........


and why was that,Oh yes getting involved in a war we didnt need to,remember,Adolf had no intention of invading britain,his focus was always east till we sided with you guys.


Yes,they were well paid ,they have always been volonteer mercineries from a country that was never in the British empire! so there :)


yes,we have a habit of sheltering the worlds waifs,strays and loons in this country.......


You seem to be allowing my dyslexia to lull you into a false sense of superiorty,never mind,if you go back and check your post and quotes you might find a few holes in your onesided arguements.

Aparently "brits" were paying taxes to the crown and invading countries that had long since been carved up,if you are one of the few Poles who have heard of custers last stand you probably think it was the british empire that slaughtered the redskins.......

and falkster LMAO, you were brought up in Germany so you couldnt be a lefty LOL ever heard of Marx ,Bader Meinhoff, R.A.F,er,the STASI the DDR.....do'h.


the "Ali Bab'bas" iraqi looter miranda,thats who,what do you think baghdad was like in 03,frikkin Kellys Hero's?


Wonder what the injuns make of your presence in "their" land?

and what kind of argument is that? I am know that I am not Native, but I am a big supporter of anything Native in any form - even road blocks.

I was making that comment to Shelly who seem to be afraid of foreing looking people in England and you are twisting it around. Why?


if you know that for a fact, then I am at peace now. Also, I don't really appreciate using pop culture referances in arguments, since not everybody is a movie buff:)P

I think you managed to do that a few times...


I couldnt care less what links you post, my point is I dont really wanted to a minority in my own country, I dont want my child to be a minority in class..

M, Its not really fear, its frustration at the fact that England is full to birsting and the population is expected to double in the next 30 / 40 years due to immigration - they are talking about building on greenbelt land - the polution and environmental issues are other issues - we cant dispose of our **** now, how on earth are we going to do it for double the population....The countries infrastructures can cope - so what build more - we live on an island there is only so much space...these are my problems along with the fact the govenment wastes circa. £100 million a year is shameful when I'm raising money for the local childrens ward for a scanner!!!!!

You see LIR can have her view because she has already stated she feels Polish and not English so why on earth should she have any feelings towards my country

The problems in schools is just a long line of problems, which I expect will get worse and public opinion will get worse IMHO

Chaz's post was not referring to my links.........just to put the record straight.


As far as i was aware everyone can have their own viewpoint on this forum unless one is suspended. All that is happening is, people are debating and either agreeing or disagreeing with you. What is wrong with that ?

I'm not English, I was born in Wales but I am just as 'British' as you are Shelley. I'm not going to get into an argument with you and btw it isn't just your 'Country'. I'm sorry you have made that comment. :((

I don't agree with your views but I haven't made any personal attacks against anyone nor will I. I enjoy the forum as somewhere to discuss, debate and to socialise by getting to read what other posters have to say. I do believe though that it's always better to debate with fact rather than with information that may not be entirely up to date that's all.

The sole point of this was made to the poster who claimed Brits did not emigrate by the millions. I have proven him wrong.


Are you saying Briatin lost the US because of Hitler and long before he was even born? Did India also kick the Brits out with the Help of Hitler who by then was already dead?


Must be some mutual attraction

No it was referring to my link...300 years ago Daniel Defoe wrote 'The True Born
Englishman' in response to people who complained about immigrants, stating that they were English and England their country.......... History has a habit of repeating itself, as this forum sometimes shows..... Defoes words are as poignant today as they were then

to quote Defoe “From hence I only infer, that an Englishman of all men, ought not to despise foreigners as such, and I think the inference is just , since what they are today, we were yesterday, and tomorrow they will be like us”

Very poignant. Good quote Daisy, I can't believe that was written 300 years ago..........

Thanks for posting that I found it very interesting.

Sorry Miranda,was meant to be sorta ironic,not a dig:)

wow man,dont give out with the negative waves;)
well,of course,im sure some westerners became involved in transporting the looted treasure out of the country,but yes,in the main,it was locals looting in the chaos left behind when the iraqi army(previously guarding the museums) disapeared,yet the coalition forces were too overstreched to replace them. Mind you,some american fire suport bases have been set up on ancient sites and completly destroyed the archeolagy but,hey,thats war Im afraid(pointless as it was,the baskets...)

darius,whats the best way to put this? get over yerself,I suppose your the worlds expert on everything like so many of your countrymen,forced to work abroad for minimum wage because,despite being geniuses they cant manage to get work at home........

fair enough.

It usually ends this way. Lack of arguments turns into baseless personal attacks. Way to go :)

he he he,LMAO big D, you were at that against me ages ago pal,all on record so,hush now l'il chil'

I think that just about sums it up!!

If you take your kids to a forgiegn country where they dont understand the language,your a pretty crappy parent unless you try and sort things out yourself. We have enough "natives" who are willing to sit back and let the state take responsobility for their kids,we dont need anymore.

rubbish.
do you have kids yourself?
then you would know that the mechanisms in childrens brains work slightly different...


when i read the newspapers it appears that this is a problem with many parents especially in the uk, as well as in many other countries where both parents are forced to work full time to make a living...

much too often over here i read about teachers being blamed for lack of care and educating the kids... well... those are still parents' tasks, not teachers'...

(looking forward to see what you call me this time)

No.

how did you work that one out?

I read the article from the original post and I expressed my opinion.