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Are polish pupils harming native british childrens education?


BubbaWoo 33 | 3,510  
2 Dec 2007 /  #121
ah... that would explain it then
slick77 - | 127  
2 Dec 2007 /  #122
Did you read that article?
BubbaWoo 33 | 3,510  
2 Dec 2007 /  #123
yes - it states clearly that the huge influx of immigrant students is having a sigficant impact on education in the uk - which is why i was a little suprised that you could state in such an assured manner that polish children, along with other immigrant children, were not harming british childrens education - i was also a little taken back that someone living neither in england or poland could have formed such a confident opinion
slick77 - | 127  
2 Dec 2007 /  #124
The only thing this article clearly states is that some schools are trying to use immigrants as a reason for fund increase. One doesn't need to live in the UK to figure that out.
BubbaWoo 33 | 3,510  
2 Dec 2007 /  #125
the british education system is woefully under-resourced and underfunded - taking from the limited pot of resources/funds to provide english language lessons and additional support for immigrant children deprives british children of monies/resources that could have should have been spent on their education.

if you lived in the uk you might have figured this out

a few quotes from the article that clearly state the measure of the problem -

"the problem was most acute in rural areas and smaller towns, which lacked the support available in cities."

"teachers had reported greater pressure on schools from an increase in pupils who did not speak English."

"teachers had been "pulling their hair out" trying to accommodate unexpected arrivals."

"arrived with seven or eight youngsters and taken them to a GCSE English class, and none of the youngsters can speak English"

"individual schools did not have the money or the capacity to absorb large numbers of newly-arrived pupils"

if you can sit there feeling comfortable that this is not having an impact on british clidren's education then there is no point in continuing this discussion..;.
slick77 - | 127  
2 Dec 2007 /  #126
the british education system is woefully under-resourced and underfunded

why blame polish immigrants for that?
BubbaWoo 33 | 3,510  
2 Dec 2007 /  #127
i havent

you obviously havent read or understood what i have written
slick77 - | 127  
2 Dec 2007 /  #128
I have and I understood it perfectly well.

Read your own posts and stop attacking Polish immigrants on every occasion.
the_falkster 1 | 180  
3 Dec 2007 /  #129
fact is, and i AM living in the uk, that the problem are not immigrant's children but the government.

if a government (anywhere on this planet) decides to let foreigners live, work and pay taxes in their country they have to take measures to accomodate all aspects of the story. FULL STOP!

blaming immigrants and their children is simply a sign of desperation and low level of education (which unfortunately doesn't enable people to see the bigger picture).
Lukasz 49 | 1,746  
3 Dec 2007 /  #130
yes because Poles are only to work and pay taxes for social benefits for others ... (sic!)
ShelleyS 14 | 2,893  
3 Dec 2007 /  #131
We have so many places in our schools, we have so much money to spend on education - I hope you are following, its quite simple.

Our classes are now over-crowded
Funds are being spent on teaching kids English - this money should be spent on education.

The reason why Polish kids have been targeted is because of the sheer numbers they have started to arrive

An estimated 5% of the Polish population now resides in the UK...whether or not people pay tax isnt the issue - what is an issue is when the tax that is paid is absorbed by the goverment shelling out for translations and extra lessons English lessons for kids in schools
Wroclaw Boy  
3 Dec 2007 /  #132
if a government (anywhere on this planet) decides to let foreigners live, work and pay taxes in their country they have to take measures to accomodate all aspects of the story. FULL STOP!

True, when are they going to put restrictions on these immigrant issues. How much more can good old blighty take?
ShelleyS 14 | 2,893  
3 Dec 2007 /  #133
migrationwatchuk.com/Excel/RESULTSforMW_ImmigrationOMI2908_Nov07.xls

Whilst people like to think that its a minority that are unhappy about how the country is heading - this is a recent poll which tells a different story...
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,161  
3 Dec 2007 /  #134
An estimated 5% of the Polish population now resides in the UK...

BS.

Things are changing very fast in modern world. Some day you UFOs will get what you are sking for.
isthatu 3 | 1,164  
3 Dec 2007 /  #135
If you take your kids to a forgiegn country where they dont understand the language,your a pretty crappy parent

You may make a legitimate point if you actually quote all i said which was the above + unless you as a parent take responsibiliy to help teach them.Yes, and I was also living in Spain as a kid,where it was my parents responsibility to teach me spanish.......Kids pick up languages like a sponge,adults lose that,I know,my spanish is now almost non existent.

...sit back and let the state take responsobility for their kids,we dont need anymore. (looking forward to see what you call me this time)

so not sure what we are disagreeing on. Maybe you just like to argue.......
what should I call you this time? how about Bob?
ShelleyS 14 | 2,893  
3 Dec 2007 /  #136
BS.

G - Poland's population is only about 38.5 million, this year alone 170,000 Polish kids have arrived in Britain....so lets add the parents and the single people that come to work here and then there is the grand parents that have moved over too....

G Turn the lights off on your way out - looks like you're going to be the last to leave ;-)
the_falkster 1 | 180  
3 Dec 2007 /  #137
how about Bob?

definitely prefer bob to commy and lefty... ;)

unfortunately we loose languages we learnt quickly as kids once we grow up without practising them... you will see though that when you travel to spain (or southamerica) you will pick up the language within a few days...

on the topic.
sure parents have the biggest responsibility in educating their children.
and children should be helped by for example speaking the hosts language at home instead your mothertongue...
but i do certainly not believe in extra payment to take extra classes. because that is what we as foreigners pay taxes for. some arguments on here do not count.

if it is that taxes paid should NOT be used to accomodate foreign childrens needs at school, can i as a foreigner than pay less tax as my money is only to be used to educate natives???

some people have to understand that today we can not only think local anymore...
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,161  
3 Dec 2007 /  #138
and then there is the grand parents that have moved over too....

Are you really so... "unsmart" ?
OP noimmigration  
3 Dec 2007 /  #139
yes because Poles are only to work and pay taxes for social benefits for others ... (sic!)

1. Poles have only been paying tax for about one year, the british have been paying tax their whole lives.

2. poles pay far less local tax because they live in groups of 5+ in one bedroom flats/apartments.

3. when poles leave the country most of their tax gets rebated back to them.

the british are paying for poles in this country NOT the other way around

when I leave university I detest the idea that my taxes will not be paid to educate my children, It will be used to educate polish children. ( not that poles need an education as you dont need a degree to clean toilets)
slick77 - | 127  
3 Dec 2007 /  #140
2. poles pay far less local tax because they live in groups of 5+ in one bedroom flats/apartments.

Do all Poles in the UK live in groups of 5+ in one bedroom?

the british are paying for poles in this country NOT the other way around

Do you know that for fact? Do you have figures to prove your theory?
JustysiaS 13 | 2,240  
3 Dec 2007 /  #141
the british are paying for poles in this country NOT the other way around

blame the british for paying, not the polish for taking the money then.

Do all Poles in the UK live in groups of 5+ in one bedroom?

i live by myself, i share a house with my British landlord and done so for the last 2 years
PinkJewel  
3 Dec 2007 /  #142
Poles have only been paying tax for about one year, the british have been paying tax their whole lives.

Makes sense to me that none of them paid tax BEFORE moving here. And we've not being paying taxes our whole lives...or am I about to get done for all those year I never paid while I was a baby, toddler etc?

2. poles pay far less local tax because they live in groups of 5+ in one bedroom flats/apartments

That's smart to me! The more people in a flat, the less council tax to pay per person, less on bills each...
OP noimmigration  
3 Dec 2007 /  #143
i share a house with my British landlord and done so for the last 2 years

I wonder how you pay your rent.

so you think its right that poles have never paid tax here and they get free hospital care, child benefits, free education, housing etc. ?

and to top it off they get all the tax they paid back when they leave.
osiol 55 | 3,922  
3 Dec 2007 /  #144
noimmigration

A man who wants to live in a nation of dirty toilets. Suits him fine.
OP noimmigration  
3 Dec 2007 /  #145
our toilets were clean enough before poles came here,
osiol 55 | 3,922  
3 Dec 2007 /  #146
It is possible to pay too much tax by PAYE. Fill in a P85 and you can claim back what is owed when you leave.
OP noimmigration  
3 Dec 2007 /  #147
thats not what I am talking about osiol and you know it
JustysiaS 13 | 2,240  
3 Dec 2007 /  #148
I wonder how you pay your rent.

i dont. ha ha. i do really, cleaning toilets pays well.
osiol 55 | 3,922  
3 Dec 2007 /  #149
The Salvation Army has provided the Doroszenkos with food parcels and the homeless charity, Shelter, is trying to find them a permanent home

They are charities.
JustysiaS 13 | 2,240  
3 Dec 2007 /  #150

blame the system you moron, your government admitted themselves it is wrong. Poles are laughing in your face and taking your money even though some of them arent in UK and what you gonna do huh? what can you do? post some more of you crap on here? write a letter to your prime minister see if he cares what a little shi*t like you has got to say.

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