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Are polish pupils harming native british childrens education?


JustysiaS 13 | 2,240  
27 Nov 2007 /  #31
we have polish toilet ceaners, romanian beggars, terrorist pakis. We want you all out of britian.

start collecting votes for your petition to get them all out - or better, starve yourself to death in the name of protest!
szarlotka 8 | 2,209  
27 Nov 2007 /  #32
or better, starve yourself to death in the name of protest!

Now I'm rolling around on the floor... The ladies are on form this evening
JustysiaS 13 | 2,240  
27 Nov 2007 /  #33
The ladies are on form this evening

you bet :)
szarlotka 8 | 2,209  
27 Nov 2007 /  #34
noimmigration

As a law student you should get this:

Bibere venenum in auro
Lady in red  
27 Nov 2007 /  #35
There is an issue whether we like it or not but I have to admit I have only heard a small amount of the news about this today. One Headteacher has been quoted as saying, that three years ago her school only had a few Polish children and they received funding based on that amount for translator, additional support etc. Now they have 300 Polish children but the original funding has not changed. That's why they are to lobby the MP's for more funding. It's a fair point.

Before you jump down my throat,lol. .. my first language was Polish, although I was born in the UK and when I went to school I couldn't speak a word of English but unfortunately, I had to learn the hard way and was thrown in at the deep end without any support. So, I didn't cost anyone any additional money but have paid and continue to pay income tax to the UK governement.

:))
osiol 55 | 3,922  
27 Nov 2007 /  #36
had to learn the hard way and was thrown in at the deep end without any support

It may have been tough with no support, but there can be too much support. If children have an easy option, that may act as a crutch and actually slow down their language learning. As I stated before, children can learn fast, particularly when they have to.
Lady in red  
27 Nov 2007 /  #37
It may have been tough with no support,

It was........didn't know how to ask to go to the loo for a few days......lol <g>

Had to cross my legs a lot........haha !

My view is it's not an 'easy option' to get the right support. I consider it absolutely essential because it is very hard to learn a new language and customs especially when both your parents are Polish. (Because you are brought up very much in a Polish culture at home ) BUT you need to develop good social skills quickly as a child as well in order to 'survive'......and going to school these days and trying not to be too different is very important. Seems children who are a bit different (no matter the Nationality) can be bullied etc.

So although, I can to some extent understand your viewpoint osiol, I don't entirely agree with it.
kochanie 3 | 58  
27 Nov 2007 /  #38
noimmigration, why haven't you been banned yet?!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!?!
JustysiaS 13 | 2,240  
27 Nov 2007 /  #39
more like why havent you given up yet :P
PinkJewel  
27 Nov 2007 /  #40
noimmigration - you again!

Before you comment on an article, you might want to read it first. It simply does not say anything specific about Polish people. And actually, I agree that schools do need support. I have no problem with any foreign children coming into our schools but support for teachers and pupils is a must.

we have polish toilet ceaners, romanian beggars, terrorist pakis

Yes, but we also have British toilet cleaners, British beggars and British terrorists.

We want you all out of britian.

I think the protest to get you out of PF would be larger than the protest to get Polish people out of Britain.

Why you post on a site that is aimed at Polish discussion and information?

edit - and now I see you are suspended...
lennyd  
27 Nov 2007 /  #41
We should not pay to educate YOUR children.

i agree 110% the immigration is in shambles our own kids are losing out to teachers spending time with polish pupils my niece is only 7 and there are 9 polish kids in her class out of 24 and it's a disgrace that immigrants can put their kids in our schools in this outrageous number , most poles get tax credits claim for kids in poland and get rebates if they go home so they contribute nothing , our forefathers paid taxes so our own people could get future education not immigrant children, you know there is a labour shortage in poland and we are infested by them and native brits lose out on jobs and higher wages due to our government selling us out to eastern europe , i believe people all over the country are writing to their MP's complaining about the impact of over a million people flooding britain's labour markets
miranda  
27 Nov 2007 /  #42
I wonder if anybody knows, in any country how their taxes are really distributed?
BubbaWoo 33 | 3,510  
27 Nov 2007 /  #43
the effect that overseas students have on uk education is an interesting one

my masters course had 43 students on it, of which 39 were chinese

without these students the course would not have run

but from my perspective, they were all young and without any professional experience - they contributed very little to the programme not only as a result of this but also becasue of cultrual differences

i expected and wanted a lot more peer input from a master level course and felt cheated as a result - i paid for this course and did not feel as though i got what i paid for
El Gato 4 | 351  
27 Nov 2007 /  #44
That's crazy. He was in bed and was shot in the groin. Poor guy was prob getting his groove on. Who'd think a shot below the belt would kill you...painful yeah, but death? He was rushed to the hospital too, so you'd think ther would be a better chance for survival.

It hit the main artery in his leg and he bled to death. By the time he got to the hospital he was already in critical condition with a slim chance of survival.

Are polish pupils harming native british childrens education?

No, if anything they help. Why? Fresh minds give fresh ideas (not always good ones, but the majority of the ideas that work are good)

If British children get to take Polish as a second language that is a huge benefit to them. Learning a new and complicated language stimulates the brain and gives children a higher IQ.

I don't think it's a coincidence that I speak native English and Polish, and am learning Spanish and happen to be in collegiate courses. I can pick things up quicker than my uni-lingual(if that's a word) friends.

I'd love it if my high school suddenly got a whole bunch of foreign students to learn with.
osiol 55 | 3,922  
27 Nov 2007 /  #45
110%

Always the mathematician.
plk123 8 | 4,149  
27 Nov 2007 /  #46
we have polish toilet ceaners, romanian beggars, terrorist pakis. We want you all out of britian.

sieg heil!
osiol 55 | 3,922  
27 Nov 2007 /  #47
He's not talking about the majority. He is also not in the majority.
Buddy 7 | 167  
27 Nov 2007 /  #48
Last time I saw a bus load of British school kids they were too busy mugging a grandma to even notice the Polish kids, sitting at the rear planning their "non toilet cleaning" futures.

Noimmigration if indeed you are a law student, I'm sure when you graduate you'll get a great job as a "accident claim's" specialist. However, people of you're caliber often become Politicians, perhaps the BNP would like you as their new spokesman.
plk123 8 | 4,149  
27 Nov 2007 /  #49
As I stated before, children can learn fast, particularly when they have to.

total immersion is the best at any age. everybody swims. :)
Buddy 7 | 167  
27 Nov 2007 /  #50
....unless they sink and drown....
z_darius 14 | 3,968  
28 Nov 2007 /  #51
our forefathers paid taxes so our own people could get future education not immigrant children

lennyd, I sympathise with your position but you could at least try to use sound arguments. After all, the fact is that more than just a sample of your forefathers paid taxes from "work" they obtained in the foreign lands they invaded and occupied and, not such a long time ago, in a country that wanted to invade their homeland.
Lady in red  
28 Nov 2007 /  #52
No, if anything they help. Why? Fresh minds give fresh ideas (not always good ones, but the majority of the ideas that work are good)

That's very true <s> and I agree with that but the point is the children can only speak Polish and the Schools have no funding for the influx of non english speaking children. That means ordinary teaching resources are having to be diverted from educating the existing children, whilst they are attempting to teach the other children english so that they can take part in the day to day lessons. This is a major problem and quite rightly exisiting children should not be put in a position where their education is severely affected by this. This Government should quickly identify the area's where this is happening and provide the necessary funds to assist. Headteachers shouldn't have to go and lobby for funds they should be in School !!
isthatu 3 | 1,164  
28 Nov 2007 /  #53
just a sample of your forefathers paid taxes from "work" they obtained in the foreign lands they invaded and occupied and, not such a long time ago

Twaddle,old commie twaddle mate. how many people in this country do you think benifited from the empire...........

Heres an argument, If a british kid attends a Spanish or French school,if their parents have moved to these countries,they take leasons in the native language,with no interpretor or whoever sat holding their hands. The best way for kids to learn a language is imersion "at the deep end" Money shouldnt be wasted on all this pc cack.In the early 80s my mum taught in a school in Sheffield where of 30 kids there were something like 15 different languages spoken,the kids were taught and learnt in english,the language of the country they were living in.

The problems with the education in this country are down to Polish kids but down to under funding in the state sector and a silly 21st century notion that we have to chase our tails accomidating forgiegn people who in the main dont want special attention and would rather just blend in .

Basic english lessons should be organised outside the school curriculem for those wishing to attend,Im sure with a bit of co operation between 1 1/2 million Poles some private schools could be set up for this purpose.
ShelleyS 14 | 2,893  
28 Nov 2007 /  #54
Okay, Im not entirely sure where the extra funding comes from because when I was at school funding was always an issue....text books etc., nevermind 'special treatment'! Its a joke...
Lady in red  
28 Nov 2007 /  #55
Its a joke

Not really........think it's a bit of a necessity. One headteacher has 300 new Polish pupils who can't speak English and her budget for non english speaking pupils (set three years ago ) was for 3 pupils !

The money is there it's just that this Government did not address this issue as indeed they failed to address a lot of other areas that have caused problems because of the greater immigration numbers into the UK, in such a relatively short space of time.

The best way for kids to learn a language is imersion "at the deep end

It's all very well for a few kids to integrate and learn english without help if they are surrounded by english speaking children. Think of the impact 300 non speaking children would have if they suddenly had to attend your local school.

It's just about being organised innit !

:))
jareck8  
28 Nov 2007 /  #56
this Government did not address this issue as indeed they failed to address a lot of other areas that have caused problems because of the greater immigration numbers into the UK, in such a relatively short space of time.

you are right, if migration was gradula there would not eb so many isues and the locals would not feel isolated
ShelleyS 14 | 2,893  
29 Nov 2007 /  #57
Not really........think it's a bit of a necessity. One headteacher has 300 new Polish pupils who can't speak English and her budget for non english speaking pupils (set three years ago ) was for 3 pupils !

The money is there it's just that this Government did not address this issue as indeed they failed to address a lot of other areas that have caused problems because of the greater immigration numbers into the UK, in such a relatively short space of time.

Who's paying for it? And why on earth should we have to?

It's just about being organised innit !

Not really, it's all about the government opening up the doors to any Tom, Dick and Harry with no restrictions and expecting English people to suffer....
the_falkster 1 | 180  
29 Nov 2007 /  #58
Who's paying for it? And why on earth should we have to?

it is called solidarity....
this is how democracy works.

opening up the doors to any Tom, Dick and Harry with no restrictions and expecting English people to suffer....

i remember there was a time when the empire had colonies all over the planet. where they invited? what was the gain?
i recommend thinking first before talking...
z_darius 14 | 3,968  
29 Nov 2007 /  #59
Twaddle,old commie twaddle mate. how many people in this country do you think benifited from the empire...........

If you can find the number of Brits who worked in the British colonies then this will be the number you're looking for. Likely millions.

Oh, and I didn't quite get the reason for commie twaddle mate. Is it a lack of arguments that makes you fluff up your posts with redundancies?

The problems with the education in this country are down to Polish kids but down to under funding in the state sector and a ...

I don't take anu issues with the funding problems. As a matter of fact I oppose any special treatment of immigrants and their children. If someone has the guts to go to a different country then IMO they should have the guts to take care of their, and their families' language skills.
randompal 7 | 306  
29 Nov 2007 /  #60
because we dont come in our millions invading poland to clean your toilets

no but you used to invade millions around the globe when you were setting up your empire - haha sweet justice for sods such as yourself!!

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