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Germans: Do Poles like them or dislike them?


Magdushya 3 | 104  
19 Feb 2007 /  #91
Both of my granparents were in Oswiecim, one of them was in the first transport to that place with 135 number! During the proccess they saved one kapo telling that if he would shoot them with the one bullet for every LEAF of bread they stolen for patiens (another my grandpa was a medic there)they could look like a sieve. My grandparents had a lot german friends later, my granpa was travelling in Germany to teach about war young german people. One of them said that his granpa was a officer in Oswiecim, but his is not proud of that anymore. I have also german friends, we remember about consequences of the war, but we try to repair old mistakes and be open to the new times.
pingwin 2 | 117  
19 Feb 2007 /  #92
Dont like them... dont hate them.... better off without thinking about them

My sentiments exactly!!!
OP Babylon 16 | 192  
19 Feb 2007 /  #93
and is funding (with the rest of the EU) polish infrastructe, CAP, et al!!!

telling germans to get out is ludicris!!!

That was a peaceful solution to prevent future wars, the same solutions made in Turkey and one of them was givin a Nobel Prize. They had to go out from Poland that is obvious, In Poland country there should be more Germans then Polish peoples, what are you talking about?
daffy 23 | 1,508  
19 Feb 2007 /  #94
what are you talking about?

i am talking about contnued free movement within the EU and the right to live anywhere i like within the EU without hassle for who i am and where i am from
ola123  
19 Feb 2007 /  #95
Nice but we opened our market to all EU ppl, Germany keep it shut in front of us!

Wrong forum daf
daffy 23 | 1,508  
19 Feb 2007 /  #96
germany have not opened borders to the polish now you are inthe EU...i dont believe that for one second sorry ola
Huegel 1 | 296  
19 Feb 2007 /  #97
Don't forget Daffy, this forum works to the Rumsfeld principle, unfortunately. You're piddling into the wind.
ola123  
19 Feb 2007 /  #98
of course they keep it shut, polish ppl cant work there, its illegal
daffy 23 | 1,508  
19 Feb 2007 /  #99
true, i will always piddle into the wind if it is the morally right think to do but i know its messy

its illegal

ok? my girlfriend working in Karlstrue for a month, she is from wroclaw

What is your evidence they keep EU citizens from working in Germany?

I, as an EU citizen have no problem working in any EU country DE and PL included
ola123  
19 Feb 2007 /  #100
Of course you are from britain, but germany did not open jobs market for Poland, polish people have to go and get permission to work there, we can go to UK without permission, we can go to Sweden and Ireland but the rest of EU including Germany do not allow polish ppl to work in their countries.

Its like UK didnt open jobs marked for Romania and Bulgaria.
daffy 23 | 1,508  
19 Feb 2007 /  #101
Of course you are from britain

oh you are trying to offend me? :P i am from Ireland ola :)
Huegel 1 | 296  
19 Feb 2007 /  #102
I'm with you mate. Deutschland did keep their labour market closed to the 2004 accession countries, that does not however equate to poles are illegal aliens in Deutschland. Ola's trying to make it sound a lot worse than it actually was.

The new situation basically comes down to a system comparable to the current situation whereby people from the future Member States need to get a work permit to work in the EU. At the same time a ‘preference rule’ is put in place, which gives citizens of the new Member States priority over people from non-EU countries. The regulations for self-employed are less restrictive – people will be completely free to deliver services across the border as a self-employed or as a company.

With regard to the permit situation, for the first two years after accession, the current Member States will admit employees from the future Member States under their own national rules, rather than under Community rules on free movement. After these first two years, the situation will be evaluated, but it is only after seven years that Member States are no longer allowed to require work permits.

Ranj 21 | 948  
19 Feb 2007 /  #103
this forum works to the Rumsfeld principle, unfortunately. You're piddling into the wind.

:)Oh Huegel......:)

but germany did not open jobs market for Poland, polish people have to go and get permission to work there,

Thats interesting to know....I wasn't aware......I assumed if a country was part of the EU its people could go freely to other countries of the union and work. Thanks for the info.:)
daffy 23 | 1,508  
19 Feb 2007 /  #104
thanks huegel
globetrotter 3 | 106  
19 Feb 2007 /  #105
Deutschland did keep their labour market closed to the 2004 accession countries, that does not however equate to poles are illegal aliens in Deutschland

My twopenny worth on the German position.

Germany

Like Austria, Germany has insisted on continuing restrictions on workers from the former communist states, beyond its eastern borders. Workers from these countries will have to apply for work permits until at least 2009. However, the country issued 500,000 of these permits between 2004 and 2006. "In practice Germany has given as many people work as other big countries," EU Employment Commissioner Vladimir Spidla said on 2 May 2006. Germany has also imposed restrictions on workers from Bulgaria and Romania.
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,161  
19 Feb 2007 /  #106
They stink, should take a bath more often.
Matyjasz 2 | 1,544  
19 Feb 2007 /  #107
a nazi under a different name would smell as sweet

Hmm, I'm not the biggest Roman Giertych's supporter, but calling him a nazi isn't... let's say a very fortunate thing to do.

telling germans to get out is ludicris!!!

Who is telling Germans to get out? Have I missed something? :(

Daffy, it doesn't mean that a military conflict will take place. Russian have different ways to tackle their problems these days, namely through gas supply to Europe! Whenever they don't like some actions made by their neighbors, they just simply refer to blackmail. Russian government wants to be treated serious. They miss the glorious days of CCCP, and when Poland joined first NATO and then EU it was like a slap on a cheek for them. A territory that they treated as their rightful area of influence since the end of the 18th century managed to separate from them and worse of all, joined their "opponents", the West. That really must hurt them. :)

PS: And what Frank had in mind was that "History likes to repeat itself." And I actually agree with him. :)
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,161  
19 Feb 2007 /  #108
Russia did not say lithuania and Poland is Russia's enemy in WWII,

What ?
Frank 23 | 1,183  
19 Feb 2007 /  #109
PS: And what Frank had in mind was that "History likes to repeat itself." And I actually agree with him.

Yes....am afraid so....its just a few short decades ago, that total war was raging in Europe...the most advanced (?) area of the world, knee deep in wealth, intellectuals, great history and fine christian morals........

Where did it get us....when people are prepared/forced to follow/support....mass murderers?

Be optimistic Daffy.........but always with a hint of pessimism....maybe you are quite young......rose tinted glasses too.....:)

Me.?..Full time, older cynic........only put my rose tinted glasses on when I am in Poland!
LoneStranger 3 | 382  
19 Feb 2007 /  #110
Phew glad we got that sorted

The meaning of my sentence was very different.
OP Babylon 16 | 192  
19 Feb 2007 /  #111
Nice but we opened our market to all EU ppl, Germany keep it shut in front of us!

I'm glad that Germans did not open borders - I see no sense in 2 new million Polish immigrants working for German Economy
Matyjasz 2 | 1,544  
19 Feb 2007 /  #112
Interesting note: In the final days of Nazi Germany there were puertoricans in Germany playing mambo music. TRUE STORY.

Oh my Lord.... And just when I started to believe you that Puerto Ricans were always anti nazi I hear that some of them were collaborating with them during the WWII... I have lost my faith in human kind now. :( :)
Huegel 1 | 296  
19 Feb 2007 /  #113
The meaning of my sentence was very different.

Really? In what way.
I mean, I know that there are known knowns. Is this one of them? That is to say, that
do you actually mean, it's a known known or was this more a known unknown. :)
kinga 1 | 8  
20 Feb 2007 /  #114
You keep to evolution...I'll keep to the cycles.....

Um, sorry to interrupt guys, but there may be a way you could possibly meet half-way if you saw evolution as cyclical, but rather than a flat circle repeating itself, couldn't it be seen as a spiral? Yes, it may overlap sometimes as humanity stays on the treadmill for certain periods of time (it may sometimes appear as though we're on it forever - wars and other nasties can do that), but eventually the spiral lifts, even if the rise is imperceptibly small. It may even be possible we may slide down the spiral as well occasionally, but I think a quick glance at history shows that eventually we start climbing again. You could also say that whereas humanity has progressed up the spiral quite well in some areas, in others it's kept itself going round flatly for quite long periods of time. So what do you say guys, willing to give the spiral a chance? :)
daffy 23 | 1,508  
20 Feb 2007 /  #115
give the spiral a chance heheh BRAVO i like it :)
Huegel 1 | 296  
20 Feb 2007 /  #116
BRAVO

Now there is a magazine that needs to be seen to be believed. Germans, I ask you!! :)
kinga 1 | 8  
20 Feb 2007 /  #117
Glad you like it daffy, very decent of you :)

Now, if only we could find a few elevators....
OP Babylon 16 | 192  
23 Feb 2007 /  #118
Deutschland, Deutschland über alles,
Über alles in der Welt


Niemcy, Niemcy ponad wszystko,
Ponad wszystko na świecie


Germany, Germany rules
Rules the whole world


Only sick, and racist nation could have such words in anthem, while almost all nations have self-defense words - not occupied words, and please don't tell me that in those days there were many german lands not united - it is clear Deutschland, Deutschland über alles,

Über alles in der Welt

daffy 23 | 1,508  
23 Feb 2007 /  #119
Rule Brittania, Brittania rules the waves.....
szarlotka 8 | 2,208  
23 Feb 2007 /  #120
Yeh its about time we changed the words. We only have half an aircraft carrier, two battered frigates and a fleet of rowing boats nicked from Hyde Park.

Rule Britannia, Brritannia rules The Serpentine.

Or

And did those feet in ancient time
Walk upon England’s mountains green?
And was the holy George W Bush
On England’s pleasant pastrure seen?

And did his Countenance Divine
Shine forth upon our clouded hills?
And was the White House builded here
Among those dark Satanic Mills?

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