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Rydzyk gets away with racism yet again


aphrodisiac 11 | 2,443  
8 Aug 2009 /  #61
ha ha, you are the first to make fun at other people and when you get a bit of your own medicine you cry wolf...

making fun and calling somebody an idiot is two different things.:)

I am not going to call you a idiot, I just carn't find a similiar word which means the same thing which is not offensive.

your bad, as I really care. Get back on topic. I cannot stand poor losers.
lesser 4 | 1,311  
8 Aug 2009 /  #62
that was for Joe, who is not really familiar with Rydzyk. What is your point?

It look like some kind of accusation. Rydzyk is probably the only person in Poland who is blamed for trying to get (of course not personally, he is just a manager) funding from Brussels.

Anti-Semitism this is old song of Holocaust Industry. I believe that vast majority of Jews don't belong to this shady group of scamsters. While Rydzyk have an issue only with the latter. So we cannot accept perspective of HI to be even close to objective.

I don't like the fact that he support PiS as supposed lesser evil. Catholic priest should criticize all politicians who stand against teaching of the church and support only political initiatives strictly in agreement with this teaching. But this is not what really bother political establishment! They are upset that their opponents managed to fool Rydzyk in their favour. Of course if Rydzyk would back them then he would be more than OK.
aphrodisiac 11 | 2,443  
8 Aug 2009 /  #63
It look like some kind of accusation. Rydzyk is probably the only person in Poland who is blamed for trying to get (of course not personally, he is just a manager) funding from Brussels.

Joe can read that or he can look for other sources. He is an adult and he can make his won choices.

Catholic priest should criticize all politicians who stand against teaching of the church and support only political initiatives strictly in agreement with this teaching. But this is not what really bother political establishment! They are upset that their opponents managed to fool Rydzyk in their favour. Of course if Rydzyk would back them then of course he would be more than OK.

church should not be involved in politics at all in my opinion. He is too involved. Ih he wants to be a politician, he should resign from the priesthood and run in elections.

He was condemned by his own church and the Vatican. I cannot argue with that, but some people would. It is their choice.
Ironside 50 | 10,933  
8 Aug 2009 /  #64
well, if you call me an idiot again I will report you to the Adm. I have the right to express what I think and people like you are just small roadblocks on my way, so .............do

Phew!:)
I asked you a question!
As for reporting feel free ..... phew!
Whats your way? People like you should be stopped!

Rydzyk was condemned by his own Polish CC and the present Pope.LOL

Can you quote such "condemnation"?
aphrodisiac 11 | 2,443  
8 Aug 2009 /  #65
Can you quote such "condemnation"?

there are many sources to prove it and if you are not lazy, google is your friend.

I will ignore the other part of your message because I don't like to waste my time. You don't seem to know how to discuss things in a healthy way.
Ironside 50 | 10,933  
8 Aug 2009 /  #66
there are many sources to prove it and if you are not lazy, google is your friend.

Why you are not providing link to such condemnation is it becaus you cannot?
The fact is there is not such condemnation, as only newspapers had given that name to concern about RM voiced by CC.
So, your statement above make you either a liar or an idiot !
And I'm not calling you idiot to be clear !
lesser 4 | 1,311  
8 Aug 2009 /  #67
church should not be involved in politics at all in my opinion. He is too involved. Ih he wants to be a politician, he should resign from the priesthood and run in elections.

The church is probably the only side in political arena which have some dignity. So I don't see any reason why the church should be the only lobby to resign from having influence on policy. Of course those who dislike the teaching of the church would welcome such resignation with open arms.

He was condemned by his own church and the Vatican. I cannot argue with that, but some people would. It is their choice.

Of course he was not condemned by Vatican, delicately lectured if anything.
dtaylor5632 18 | 2,007  
8 Aug 2009 /  #68
The church is probably the only side in political arena

haha haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

Of course those who dislike the teaching of the church would welcome such resignation with open arms.

ever had sex lesser???

Of course he was not condemned by Vatican, delicately lectured if anything.

Not or was made to NOT?
lesser 4 | 1,311  
8 Aug 2009 /  #69
ever had sex lesser???

Old saying state that rightists have sex (and children) while leftists just talk about sex. poor people... :(
Pan Kazimierz 1 | 195  
8 Aug 2009 /  #70
why inmediatly link black with dirty.

I should think the answer to be rather obvious: because dirt is black. You didn't see the connection before?

he did.FAct. He got away with it. Fact.

Oh, we're not here about opinions? Okay, "he did nothing illegal and that is why the law cannot touch him". FACT.
Wroclaw Boy  
8 Aug 2009 /  #71
Oh, we're not here about opinions? Okay

Yes we are thats what the Forum is all about.

"he did nothing illegal and that is why the law cannot touch him". FACT.

well thanks for pointing out the obvious. 10 points.
Pan Kazimierz 1 | 195  
8 Aug 2009 /  #72
Yes we are thats what the Forum is all about.

well thanks for pointing out the obvious. 10 points.

Sorry not to be able to return the favor, but I'm going to have to give you -5 for missing the sarcasm. Quote was a response to prior response of user aphrodisiac to the observation that Rydzyk -probably- had no intention of offending missionary in question with the obvious:

he did.FAct. He got away with it. Fact.

Which makes it seem that an argument that A) does not contain an opinion, and B) also states the obvious, was necessary.
aphrodisiac 11 | 2,443  
8 Aug 2009 /  #73
“A black man, […] look, he hasn’t completely washed,” addressing a group of pilgrims, including a missionary from Africa.


well, I am not sure what his intentions were, I am sure he is an angel, after all he is a priest.
joepilsudski 26 | 1,389  
8 Aug 2009 /  #74
Let me make myself very clear: I am familiar with Rydzyk, but I am not his accountant...I don't know his personal finances, and neither does anyone here...He is supposed to have 'interests' in this and that...Most priests take a vow of poverty, and in Rydzyk's case, I assume any money made from business deals he may have helped broker would go to the Church, by way of foundations...The rich elite and the Jews do this all the time, so why the criticism of a Polish Catholic for helpng both the Church or other good Catholics in business?...Rydzyk has a nice car you say?...Is this bad?...A rabbi in the US wast just busted for trafficking in human organs...He had a few nice cars...Any articles about this in Polish papers?...All the criticism has as it's source jealous and stupid Poles or Jews who want more business...Rydzyk is good for the newspapers because he is 'controversial' and boosts sales...
aphrodisiac 11 | 2,443  
8 Aug 2009 /  #75
Most priests take a vow of poverty, and in Rydzyk's case, I assume any money made from business deals he may have helped broker would go to the Church, by way of foundations...

true. It does not mean that he lives in poverty.

.The rich elite and the Jews do this all the time, so why the criticism of a Polish Catholic for helpng both the Church or other good Catholics in business?...

well, I am not sure what the elites or Jews have to do with Rydzyk. I have never mentioned that I have a problem with him making money, I actually admire him for that as I would anybody.

Any articles about this in Polish papers?

that is not the topic of this thread to be honest. He made a remark towards his fellow church brother and in was condescending.

A rabbi in the US wast just busted for trafficking in human organs..

Yes, I know. He will be charged, but I don't see the connection.

He had a few nice cars..

I don't see the connection.

Any articles about this in Polish papers?

well, I am not sure. Why would Polish newspapers discuss Florida rabi - it is not a local news, Rydzyk is.

.All the criticism has as it's source jealous and stupid Poles or Jews who want more business..

you are joking, right?

Rydzyk is good for the newspapers because he is 'controversial' and boosts sales...

you might be right but he is a priest who should stay away from politics and he does not. CC is mingling too much in Polish politics and this is what I have a problem with.
joepilsudski 26 | 1,389  
8 Aug 2009 /  #76
you might be right but he is a priest who should stay away from politics and he does not. CC is mingling too much in Polish politics and this is what I have a problem with.

How about when Pope Benedict goes to Oswieciem and bows down before the Khazar shrine?...Any problem with those politics?
OP Harry  
8 Aug 2009 /  #77
^ Got to love posters who post anti-Semitic shite in a thread about racism!
lesser 4 | 1,311  
8 Aug 2009 /  #78
ou might be right but he is a priest who should stay away from politics and he does not. CC is mingling too much in Polish politics and this is what I have a problem with.

Rydzyk support for disgusting PiS is simply wrong, but why you think that he should stay away from political activity? It seems that according to you only corrupt bastards from mainstream political parties should be active on this field... From my professional experience I might say that Polish Republic is totally corrupt, you have no chances to start serious business without any connections. All public institutions are corrupt and government tolerate this situation to satisfy bottom of the party structures. It seems to be problem of western civilization in general.
aphrodisiac 11 | 2,443  
8 Aug 2009 /  #79
How about when Pope Benedict goes to Oswieciem and bows down before the Khazar shrine?...Any problem with those politics?

what is a Khazar shrine ?

Rydzyk support for disgusting PiS is simply wrong, but why you think that he should stay away from political activity?

he is a priest not a politician. Simple.

It seems that according to you only corrupt bastards from mainstream political parties should be active on this field...

no, I have never said that I would appreciate if you did not put words in my mouth.

From my professional experience I might say that Polish Republic is totally corrupt, you have no chances to start serious business without any connections.

you need to be specific and please relate this to Rydzyk's racist remarks somehow.

All public institutions are corrupt and government tolerate this situation to satisfy bottom of the party structures.

IF you say so. I believe you, but how does that relate to Rydzyk's matter. I will not trying to speculate here.

It seems to be problem of western civilization in general.

Poland is a within Western civilization and I am not sure why stating the fact is really of any meaning in this discussion.
pgtx 30 | 3,156  
8 Aug 2009 /  #80
Rydzyk gets away with racism yet again

that was embarrassing... most of the time, he should just shut up...
lesser 4 | 1,311  
8 Aug 2009 /  #81
no, I have never said that I would appreciate if you did not put words in my mouth.

You might not say this directly but this is exactly consequence of your logic.

Poland is a within Western civilization and I am not sure why stating the fact is really of any meaning in this discussion.

This forum gather many politically ignorant people as well. So this is necessary to state the obvious, otherwise they would think that this is only Polish matter.
Pan Kazimierz 1 | 195  
9 Aug 2009 /  #82
he is a priest not a politician. Simple.

He is also a citizen, and has quite as much right to engage in politics as every other citizen of RP. Simple.
OP Harry  
9 Aug 2009 /  #83
^ Depends on your viewpoint. If, like me you take the opposite view to the American colonists, the rule must be: no representation without taxation!
aphrodisiac 11 | 2,443  
9 Aug 2009 /  #84
He is also a citizen, and has quite as much right to engage in politics as every other citizen of RP.

Yes, but he is a priest. He should provide to the poor and needy, so far he has manipulated those poor and needy to provide for him, not that those poor and needy are not responsible. He provides false hope to those people and this is how he cashes in on popularity and cash.

I guess he is a politician:)

question is: is he a better politician then other politicians?
lesser 4 | 1,311  
9 Aug 2009 /  #85
This is you who appears to be more materialistic. Rydzyk is just a manager, something important that media never mention. Media manipulate people, because they claim that he own fortune. Rydzyk rightfully try to create financial and media background for church's activity. I welcome such developments because I hate to see clergy being in the relation of dependency from the state, I mean state/EU donations.

Personally I have different political views and dislike his political choices. However you wrongly consider him to be a politician. He is just one of many people from media circles who openly express his political views and try to convince as many people as possible.

I have wrote that you seems to be materialistic, because this is the only perspective from which you look at RM. In fact RM family give to many people some extra sense in their life. You call it false hope, but what is false in trying to preserve traditional Christian values in Poland?
Ironside 50 | 10,933  
9 Aug 2009 /  #86
that was embarrassing... most of the time, he should just shut up...

Oh please your point of view on the subject is embarrassing, why don't you take your own advice and .....

Let

It

Dear Sirs!
That bloke

what

is either liar or an idiot - is there any point in
discussing matters with such creature?
pgtx 30 | 3,156  
10 Aug 2009 /  #87
Oh please your point of view on the subject is embarrassing, why don't you take your own advice and .....

ah yeah... he should shut up alright...
OP Harry  
10 Aug 2009 /  #88
This is you who appears to be more materialistic. Rydzyk is just a manager, something important that media never mention. Media manipulate people, because they claim that he own fortune. Rydzyk rightfully try to create financial and media background for church's activity.

How many 'managers' do you know who have a Maybach? Yes I am aware that he did not officially own it but it was permanently available for his exclusive use. And just out of interest, the vehicle that replaced it was a Mercedes S class that actually cost even more than 420,000zl the Maybach cost.

How many 'managers' do you know who have a 1,200,000zl private helicopter? Yes I am aware that he does not officially own it but it is permanently available for his exclusive use.

How many 'managers' do you know who have a house which costs 15,000,000zl? Yes I am aware that he does not officially own it but it is permanently available for his exclusive use.
mvefa 5 | 591  
10 Aug 2009 /  #89
just ban that bastard haha
Pan Kazimierz 1 | 195  
10 Aug 2009 /  #90
Yes, but he is a priest. He should provide to the poor and needy, so far he has manipulated those poor and needy to provide for him, not that those poor and needy are not responsible. He provides false hope to those people and this is how he cashes in on popularity and cash.

Don't be silly; he is a priest, the only means he has of providing to anyone are those he convinces people to give to him. I'm of the opinion that he does not perform nearly so well in the former field as the latter allows him, but to say that he shouldn't speak in public because he's a priest is absolutely ridiculous.

I guess he is a politician:)

He is a public figure. It comes with the job.

Depends on your viewpoint. If, like me you take the opposite view to the American colonists, the rule must be: no representation without taxation!

You almost got me there, except that Rydzyk is not represented within the Polish government. I don't actually know: are there any clergymen in public office these days?

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