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Father Rydzyk: Any comments?


joepilsudski 26 | 1,389  
21 Jul 2007 /  #1
This is a story I first heard about on Radio Netherlands...here is a brief summary from an
American website: judicial-inc.biz/7_18.polish_priest_makes_anti_semitic.htm

Doe anyone have any comment on this situation?
hello 22 | 891  
21 Jul 2007 /  #2
What kind of a source is that if they cannot even spell the last name correctly...
OP joepilsudski 26 | 1,389  
21 Jul 2007 /  #3
Maybe I made a mispelling: Is it Rydzky or Rydsky or something different?...I first
heard the story on Radio Netherlands 23:00UTC on 7/20/2007...they didn't spell his name and, even though I am Polish-American, I still get Polish spelling wrong sometimes...please correct if needed...also, is this the priest who supposedly owns

'Radio Maryja'?
slwkk 2 | 228  
21 Jul 2007 /  #4
Doe anyone have any comment on this situation?

Yeah, Rydzyk should be arrested, then send to africa or somewhere to help poor children, his radio/tv/gazette/school should be closed. Ok, now let's back to reality... nothing mentioned above will never happen - this guy is so powerful that he can do anything he likes. It's a big shame to Poland, but what can we do?
truhlei 10 | 332  
21 Jul 2007 /  #5
joepilsudski
What is your opinion on Levittoun phenomenon Usd 7000 cottage in epoch average family salary of some USD300. I thought that practice of inexpensive house construction should be reburthed now all over the world. Using new technologies.

As well as Ford T, Citroen 2 CV, Mini by Issigonis vehicles that cost some 4 mounth average salaries. Now the same income in many developping states as it was in West Europe in 1940-50 and in USA in Henry Ford epoch, but there are no cars one can buy for some 2500 dollars. Despite technical progress and a great need among half of Earth population. Only Renault Nissan is trying only now to create a USD 3000 vehicle. And Indian Tata motors.

What is the reason why Nicolas Negroponte USD 100 laptop is without any reason criticized by computer magazines.
Why low-cost isn't the preoccupation of Human Rights bodies despite the possibility to gain more sympathy in developping countries.
And despite the fact many americans are interested in cottage and car low-cost and seem to buy Negroponte laptop to their children?
OP joepilsudski 26 | 1,389  
22 Jul 2007 /  #6
Truhlei:
One of the original Levittowns (actually started in suburban NYC) is located outside my
home city of Philadelphia PA...I had a couple cousins who had houses there, and some
friends,too...actually it is still there...I found it to be quite pleasant, the American Dream
for moderate income families, with quite a variety of housing styles, and even some
green areas & parks scattered throughout...however, when you talk about $7000 US,
you are talking about 50 years ago...even a modest house in the US goes for AT LEAST
$150000 minimum in relatively cheap suburban areas...these Levittowns were built for
returning WWII GI's who would get special loans & mortgages...this no longer exists...
as far as cars, I sell Auto Insurance during the day, and the price of cars & insurance is
'thru the roof'...Yes, I have heard about the Tata, but this is priced for the Indian market...Basically, the resourses exist to provide affordable housing & good transport

for everyone, but the elites who rule, at this point, seem to be in a phase of 'terminal
greed' and are restricting technologies from becoming available on a large scale...it makes no sense, but then I am not a person driven by greed.
Puzzler 9 | 1,089  
22 Jul 2007 /  #7
A type by the nick of slwkk scribbles hatefully:

'Yeah, Rydzyk should be arrested, then send to africa or somewhere to help poor children, his radio/tv/gazette/school should be closed.'

- Puzzler asks: What exactly should Father Rydzyk (yes - Father Rydzyk for you)
be arrested for? What crime did he commit allegedly? Why should the - allegedly his - media should be 'closed'?

re: Ok, now let's back to reality...

- You mean what you scribbled above is divorced from reality? You are dead right about that, as far as I'm concerned. :)

re:this guy is so powerful that he can do anything he likes.

- Do you mean that Father Rydzyk can get away with any evil? If yes, what facts do you base this opinion on? What specific evil things has Father Rydzyk allegedly done so far? List even one of them.

Hm, and what about if Father Rydzyk hasn't been proven to be in conflict wth the law simply because he has never done anything unlawful?

What about if all the bad rumour about him is the creation of slanderers and hate-mongers, such as yourself?

re: It's a big shame to Poland, but what can we do?

- What exactly is allegedly such a 'big shame to Poland' and why?

You show yourself to be really in favour of pluralism of opinion and freedom of speech, pal.

In the Orwellian sense, of course.

Let me guess your background. - Commie? The SB connection?

re: even though I am Polish-American, I still get Polish spelling wrong sometimes...please correct if needed...

- Hm, so you can't spell on your own, only need help with that? You can't even rewrite correctly?

What does this say about your intelligence, Joe?

How deep-embedded seem to be in the American (and not only American) psyche the racist convictions about Polish culture.

One would expect that Polish Americans should have overcome this evil stuff by now.

But its a vain hope, it appears.

Shame on you guys... if you can feel shame at all.
truhlei 10 | 332  
23 Jul 2007 /  #8
How deep-embedded seem to be in the American (and not only American) psyche the racist convictions about Polish culture.

Puzzler,
What can anyone learn about Polish culture abroad? Even if he is of Polish or Litwin origin.
NOTHING
Only some facts aleays selected to show anarchy. Nothing more. That is the idea of (I'm sure) all books on RP history translated from Polish.

when you talk about $7000 US,
you are talking about 50 years ago...even a modest house in the US goes for AT LEAST
$150000 minimum in relatively cheap suburban areas...these Levittowns were built for
returning WWII GI's who would get special loans & mortgages...

But as to USD 7000 is that was too much 60 years ago? What was the average family income in 40-50?

I had a couple cousins who had houses there, and some
friends,too...actually it is still there...

So you could test these cottages. How they are in winter? They are wooden and no sandwich panells. Aren't they cold? What low frosty temoerature seems to be irresistable for people?

I found it to be quite pleasant, the American Dream
for moderate income families, with quite a variety of housing styles, and even some
green areas & parks scattered throughout

Levitt family was the first to construct it. Bud did other businessmen follow their example. Were anybody in competition with them in 1940-60?
Amathyst 19 | 2,702  
23 Jul 2007 /  #9
Nice to see that Christianity is alive and well, excomunication for him is what I say...he doesnt deserve to called a man of the cloth.....he's a disgrace.
truhlei 10 | 332  
23 Jul 2007 /  #10
I sell Auto Insurance during the day, and the price of cars & insurance is
'thru the roof'...

I read that although Tata and Renault Nissan are making a car under USD 3000 for poor countries many Americans decided that car is for them. Many people in the USA seem to be out of snobery. They want a car as transport only and don't require any expensive variant. I suspect low-cost and downshifting is queite popular among millions of Americans.

As in general do you consider Low cost car house and laptop-internet possible Movement can grow in the world in a considerable scale as for example Antiglobalist one?
OP joepilsudski 26 | 1,389  
24 Jul 2007 /  #11
May I respond about Father Rydzyk: I really didn't know anything about him until I heard
a broadcast on Radio Netherlands accusing him of being 'controversial' & 'anti-semitic'...
then I ran across another article on a website giving a different side of the story...so I
just posted the article hoping some of the Polish people on this site could give me their
prospective...then I did some research...it seems that Father Rydzyk's main 'crime' was citing a 'demand' by a certain Rabbi Singer of the American Jewish Congress for Poland to pay Israel $60 BILLION in 'reparations' for 'crimes of the Polish people in WWII'...well, most Poles w/any knowledge of history know about the Zionist/Israeli shakedown racket to extort money from various countries for the 'holocaust'...Germany is the best example...Israel was founded by the leadership of Jewish organized crime gangs from Russia, Poland, Latvia etc...and this Rabbi Singer had charges against him for 'extortion-like' activities filed against him in NY state by Elliot Spitzer, who is now Governor, but was Attorney General...so apparently Father Rydzyk was in speaking the truth about this shakedown attempt...now, the Catholic Church, under Ratzinger, is also giving Rydzyk a hard time, for 'fear of the Jews'...

I just wanted some Polish opinion on this issue...it seems that many young Poles dont
like his Radio Mayja because it is very conservative/Catholic in tone...this is understandable as the Roman Catholic Church has shown a disinclination to change a

little with the times...but it seems to me that this is a free speech issue & Father Rydzyk
has just expressed an opinion.
slwkk 2 | 228  
24 Jul 2007 /  #12
it seems that many young Poles dontlike his Radio Mayja because it is very conservative/Catholic in tone

To make it clear... I don't know single person between 15 - 25 yrs old who supports Rydzyk or listen to his radio. I think that most of his supporters are not well educated, older people, mostly 50+ years old.
OP joepilsudski 26 | 1,389  
24 Jul 2007 /  #13
Well, as you said, this is what I understood to be the situation w/Radio Maryja...very
conservative & Catholic...I was brought up in the Roamn Catholic Church, but turned away from it at about age 12, because of some 'funny business' with a parrish priest...

so most young people are looking for something different & more open...but just remem-
ber, the Christian faith isn't neccesarily the same as the Church of Rome...and also, don't be too hard on older people, whatever their education, because they have experience in living that may be helpful to you...of course, some are just jackasses, but

this is true of any age group.........and to Truhlie: this Tata car won't be mass-marketed
in the US because it is too cheap. & the big car manufacturers are really hurting for money...there is no profit in it for them.
slwkk 2 | 228  
24 Jul 2007 /  #14
and also, don't be too hard on older people,

I'm not... I understand that they were growing up during hard times and education was far from what we have today. The truth is that if people aren't educated it's easier to manipulate them and that's why Rydzyk has so many supporters. In my opinion he is just a good businessman, nothing more. For me EOT.
truhlei 10 | 332  
24 Jul 2007 /  #15
this Tata car won't be mass-marketed
in the US because it is too cheap. & the big car manufacturers are really hurting for money...there is no profit in it for them.

It is a well-known fact that from each BMW car manufacturer receives some USC 3400 as profits. For each Renault Logan for USD 9000 - only 400 dollars. A 2500 car can give only some 50 dollars of profit. A million of BMW is more profitable than some 100 million Tata 2500 dollars car.

That is the same challenge Yenry Ford met 100 yeard ago. It was quiteprofitable to produce a 500 dollars vehicle in 1905 than 30 cars of 200 dollars.
But Henry Ford managed to overcome.
I'm sure such marasmatic situation can't be forever. Now Renault-Nissan ig going to be in competition with Tata.
When in your opinion low-cost revolution becomes possible?
OP joepilsudski 26 | 1,389  
24 Jul 2007 /  #16
My opinion would be too controversial, so no comment.
truhlei 10 | 332  
24 Jul 2007 /  #17
For some 3 billion of population that is very important. Even in developped countries many people want to pay less, to work less and spend more time with their childrei. That may become a real revolution and the world will give a great evaluation to low-cost research in the West. That takes 100 times less money than USA Defence and some 10 times more popularity.

Are different social and protest movements in the West begin to realize the significance of low-cost revolution in the world? Your opinion on that may be less controversial
friendmole - | 7  
26 Oct 2007 /  #18
Zionist/Israeli shakedown racket to extort money from various countries for the 'holocaust'...Germany is the best example..

Care to elaborate, Joe?Is your use of quotations around the word holocaust meant to question the legitimacy of it,or just to broadcast your ignorance?
lesser 4 | 1,311  
27 Oct 2007 /  #19
I presume that those of you who want close down Radio Maryja don't listen it anyway. I do understand that communist censorial mentality is still deeply inside of many Poles, even those who consider themselves to be staunch anti-communists. This is the highest time for you to chose finally some way of thinking, either freedom of speech and democracy or censure and "people's democracy".

"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it,"
johan123 1 | 228  
27 Oct 2007 /  #20
I really love this radio station and I wish all of you would stop picking on Father R. Great men are not always well understood.
lesser 4 | 1,311  
27 Oct 2007 /  #21
Do you live in Poland or aboard? Radio Maryja is available elsewhere according to Roman Paszke and he know what he is talking about :)
Polson 5 | 1,770  
27 Oct 2007 /  #22
I really love this radio station and I wish all of you would stop picking on Father R. Great men are not always well understood.

Tell us what is so good on it for you love the radio that much ?...
lesser 4 | 1,311  
27 Oct 2007 /  #23
I will try to explain what is about RM. Some people here claim that this is mostly about politics and this betrays them, because this is obvious that they never bothered to listen to it themselves. I did try to check out what is about, some time ago I listened RM few days before I went to the bed. What I found out that they either praying or talking about religion/family all the time. One must really know the time of some political auditions to find it. Still this radio is a private property of the Redemporist order and nobody can tell them to abandon political activity (except some foreign leader of the order).

What is good about RM? Mostly elderly people listen to it and this radio giving them hope, some sense of living, an opportunity of activity on this field. They often have beautiful history, fighting against the Germans, opposing communist regime and in revenge they were simply robbed by the state. They worked whole life and now receiving ****** pensions while former communists otherwise.

So no matter how would the left demonize RM and try to close down or how much I personally disagree with them especially about economic issues I say that this is good tha they exist and i will always defend them against the enemies of the free speech.

What is more I congratulate Rydzyk his achievements, he started from zero. He was the first to broke the wall of media monopoly of post-communist elites ala Gazeta Wyborcza. Mainstream media giants just love to talk about "Rydzyk media empire", this is unbelievable hypocrisy. I hope that some day also conservative liberals will create such media tube.
Polson 5 | 1,770  
27 Oct 2007 /  #24
Thanks for the explanation lesser ;) After what you've just said, there must be almost no youngs that listen to this radio...old people i know but others...
Lukasz 49 | 1,746  
27 Oct 2007 /  #25
I hope that some day also conservative liberals will create such media tube.

"Dziennik" ? I think you have your newspaper ...

as to Rydzk empire, he has "TV Trwam" he has "Radio Maryja" he has "Nasz Dziennik" I agree that they mostly pray and talk about family (yes I have checked it ;) ) but when they start to talk about policy, values, religion, church ... ehhh they make fool form this old people... And I prefere TVN POLSAT Dziennik Rzeczpospolita or GW.
slick77 - | 127  
30 Jun 2008 /  #26
Without having any connections with communist party or SB (lol), I'd like to make two points in this discussion.

1. Rydzyk's ideas (especially about Jews) lead straight line to racism and hate which is in clear contradiction to what Catholic Church teaches these days. I mentioned that just because (as I suspect) many members of this forum are members of Catholic Church.

2. Rydzyk's influence is often exaggerated for political reasons. One tv station, news paper and one radio station hardly constitutes a media empire.
randompal 7 | 306  
3 Jul 2008 /  #27
One tv station, news paper and one radio station hardly constitutes a media empire.

by Polish standards that is a media empire. Rydzyk is credited with being able to swing elections (giving PiS their big win a few years ago, upsetting PO)
OP joepilsudski 26 | 1,389  
4 Jul 2008 /  #28
Without having any connections with communist party or SB (lol), I'd like to make two points in this discussion.

1. Rydzyk's ideas (especially about Jews) lead straight line to racism and hate which is in clear contradiction to what Catholic Church teaches these days. I mentioned that just because (as I suspect) many members of this forum are members of Catholic Church.

2. Rydzyk's influence is often exaggerated for political reasons. One tv station, news paper and one radio station hardly constitutes a media empire.

1....Rydzyk simply criticizes Jews when it is appropriate...This is not hate or racism.
2....I agree with your statement.

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