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Father Rydzyk In the News Again


joepilsudski 26 | 1,389  
14 Jun 2008 /  #1
Controversial Polish priest Tadeusz Rydsyk has 'upset' certain 'liberal' elements in Poland with his outspoken criticisms of 'modernism' in the Roman Catholic Church, and has even been labebled an 'anti-semite' because of his criticisms of certain Jewish political positions and activities...Apparently, officials of the Polish prosecutors office in the city of Torun have decided that Father Rydzyk has engaged in no activity that would make him liable to prosecution...I invide Forum readers to comment on Rydzyk, his views and his possible 'political persecution'.

Polish priest won't be prosecuted
By ZUZIA DANIELSKI – 23 hours ago

WARSAW, Poland (AP) — Polish prosecutors have decided not to charge a Roman Catholic priest accused of making anti-Semitic comments, and the country's Jewish community on Friday called the decision a setback.

The Warsaw-based Jewish community accused the Rev. Tadeusz Rydzyk of calling Jews greedy and saying the country's president was subservient to Jewish lobbyists. A recording of the purported remarks surfaced last year.

The group had asked prosecutors in the city of Torun to bring criminal charges against the priest. But prosecutors said in a statement Thursday that they would not pursue the case due to what they said was "a lack of evidence of wrongdoing." They refused any further comment.

Piotr Kadlcik, president of the Union of Jewish Religious Communities, expressed disappointment at the prosecutors' decision, calling it a lost chance for the Polish state to firmly show that anti-Semitism would not be tolerated.


from Associated Press writer Zuzia Danielski
ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jDS0Qk_fa-cd2TEnC7KD9wIplkNgD919D0L80
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
14 Jun 2008 /  #2
Calling Jews greedy? Wow, what a cardinal offence, LOL

What he said there was not without foundation. Tusk and Kaczyński are, whilst maybe not subservient to Jewish interests, heavily influenced by them.

I don't know much about Rydzyk but I don't like 'ultra-Catholic'. Ultra anything can be problematic. I think many religions have some merit in some areas. So, as long as he doesn't preach this ultra nonsense then all is ok.
OP joepilsudski 26 | 1,389  
14 Jun 2008 /  #3
As far as I have read, Rydzyk is basically a traditional Polish Roman Catholic priest,and most of his 'Radio Maryja' programming just deals with Church issues, by that I mean, typical things that a Catholic would talk to a parrish priest about...Not political at all...but he does give lectures, and, apparently, when asked a question, or asked for an opinion, he will speak his mind.
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
14 Jun 2008 /  #4
Well, he's entitled to his opinion. As long as he accepts that he is just one more guy with one more opinion, all will be good.
hairball 20 | 313  
16 Jun 2008 /  #5
Not political at all...

So you haven't listened to his radio station then? It's so political it's extreme! That's why the duck brothers kissed his ass at least once a week!
blackadder 1 | 114  
16 Jun 2008 /  #6
As far as I have read, Rydzyk is basically a traditional Polish Roman Catholic priest,and most of his 'Radio Maryja' programming just deals with Church issues, by that I mean, typical things that a Catholic would talk to a parrish priest about...Not political at all...but he does give lectures, and, apparently, when asked a question, or asked for an opinion, he will speak his mind.

lol in Croatia we have Radio Marija also,don Kacunko is same as Rydzyk,controversial.very interesting
isthatu2 4 | 2,704  
16 Jun 2008 /  #7
Was he inciting "hatred"? Did he intend to start another pogrom? If the answer is no to both he is guilty only of a thought crime.......he may be a sad god botherer with warped ideas and a medievil mindset but most god botherers are like that,best left alone to play with their beads and lecturing people how to live while fiddling with little boys or filching money from the collection box...
OP joepilsudski 26 | 1,389  
16 Jun 2008 /  #8
So you haven't listened to his radio station then? It's so political it's extreme! That's why the duck brothers kissed his ass at least once a week!

No, I have listened to it once or twice on the Internet...the programming I heard was in Polish, of which I undestand a little...the themes of the programs I listened to were basically related to Catholic teachings, no politics...I haven't heard the so-called political programming...I know that Rydzyk is conservative, and this may make him a target, especially if he talks about 'touchy' issues.
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,163  
16 Jun 2008 /  #9
Tusk and Kaczyński are, whilst maybe not subservient to Jewish interests, heavily influenced by them.

Who isn't... ?

As far as I have read, Rydzyk is basically a traditional Polish Roman Catholic priest

Rydzyk is a fool and I actually listened him several times, so I know what I'm talking about. Anyway even he is quite normal compared to Pat Robertson, Hackabee or ultra-orthodox Jews like those from Shas but these are the chosen and Protestant fundamentalists are their servants, so that's OK, Rydzyk don't kiss their butts, so must be ridiculed and humilitated around the whole damn world.
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
16 Jun 2008 /  #10
Greg, in summary, what is the difference between a Catholic and a Protestant in ur eyes?
isthatu2 4 | 2,704  
16 Jun 2008 /  #11
one eats a wafer the other eats jesus?
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,163  
16 Jun 2008 /  #12
Hard to say as their are different kinds of Protestantism and also different kind of Catholics, maybe not so much structurally but there are big differences between Catholicism in different countries and inside of them... Theologically I think that the most important difference is that Protestants read the Bible (more or less) literally and in Catholicism there's the interpretation provided by the church. Practically Protestantism is generally quite "secular" (as much as religion can be...) compared to the RCC but also (especially in America) has really many fundamentalists/fanatics.
isthatu2 4 | 2,704  
16 Jun 2008 /  #13
Confuse you all a bit more,but,over here in the UK we also have the "high church",which is anglican/protestant but is all but catholic in its rites and rituals,the only difference being it doesnt take orders from some gerry in rome :)

You have a point though G',the scariest christians around these days arent Catholics but the more extreme end of the protestant descended churches like those armagedon wishing nut jobs in the states(the ones who want jews in the holy land so it will kick off the End Days...) or in the UK,sorry to let my liberal credentials slip a bit,but in some of the black churches and african interpretations of anglicanism..
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
16 Jun 2008 /  #14
And this was the justification for a holy battle between the IRA and UDF etc? It's scandalous. Rydzyk has a position to uphold but we can applaud him for a bit of free-thinking rather than pure indoctrination. I'm not gonna say much more as I don't know the man that well but he must be seen to be a figurehead, otherwise he's just another ham n egger
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,163  
16 Jun 2008 /  #15
here in the UK we also have the "high church",which is anglican/protestant but is all but catholic in its rites and rituals

But you are... different...

like those armagedon wishing nut jobs in the states(the ones who want jews in the holy land so it will kick off the End Days...

True. When I first heard about that crap, I couldn't believe that they are for real...
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
16 Jun 2008 /  #16
R u Catholic Greg?
lesser 4 | 1,311  
16 Jun 2008 /  #17
Agreed.

Confuse you all a bit more,but,over here in the UK we also have the "high church",which is anglican/protestant but is all but catholic in its rites and rituals,the only difference being it doesnt take orders from some gerry in rome :)

Anglicanism is the closest protestant branch. I would not be surprised if sooner or later significant number of Anglican clergy decided to reunite with Vatican.

Beside of that I have watched few times some English speaking religion channels with American "showmen" pastors. This is quite funny indeed .
cyg 5 | 119  
2 Jul 2008 /  #18
Rydzyk is a simple-minded provincial priest who doesn't recognize the fact that his message and way of preaching scare more people away from the church than they actually attract to it. What he thinks are his "common sense" views most people consider xenophobic and anti-Semitic rants, and I'd personally tend to agree with the latter. You can certainly point out some pretty questionable actions by Jews and Jewish organizations, but once you cross the threshold into generalizing about "The Jews", you're on pretty shaky ground in my book.
Puzzy 1 | 150  
2 Jul 2008 /  #19
Rydzyk is a simple-minded provincial priest who doesn't recognize the fact that his message and way of preaching scare more people away from the church than they actually attract to it.

- Please give specific examples of his alleged simple-mindedness. Give facts as regards those people allegedly scared by Father Rydzyk from the Church.
Concerning your allegation that Father Rydzyk is a 'provincial priest,' in reality his radio and other media are popular not just in the whole of Poland, but among Poles in the whole world. And the enraged reaction to him by the media psychopaths in Europe alone seems to show he's not as obscure and backwards as you seem to paint him.

What he thinks are his "common sense" views most people consider xenophobic and anti-Semitic rants, and I'd personally tend to agree with the latter.

- What specific 'common sense' views of Father Rydzyk 'most people' (who?) 'consider xenophobic and anti-Semitic rants'? This should be easy for you to answer since you 'personally tend to agree' with those people's opinion.

You can certainly point out some pretty questionable actions by Jews and Jewish organizations, but once you cross the threshold into generalizing about "The Jews", you're on pretty shaky ground in my book.

- Do you mean some Jews are Polonophobic but the majority aren't? In my own experience, the opposite is true. The vast majority of Jews I've encountered were Polonophobes. It looked like a mass psychopathy. And the things the Jews blurt out about Poles - openly, without the outraged condemnation from the media and 'human rights' phonies, with total impunity - are hate propaganda and hate-mongering of the worst kind. If we Poles spoke about them the way they speak about us (and we have many reasons not to like the Jews, e.g. because of their communist crimes), we would be castigated by the media psychopaths, media-fooled audience, Jew-philes, etc. out of existence.
cyg 5 | 119  
2 Jul 2008 /  #20
Puzzy, Rydzyk's simple-mindedness is best shown by the fact that he doesn't see anyone else's views as having any value at all. The term applies to anyone who sees things in shades of only black and white, as he does. This is also what I meant about his provincialism - not the physical reach of his broadcasts, which is in fact very wide, as you pointed out.

As to people scared away from the church, that comes from people I've spoken to personally, not public appearances. You can either believe me or not - either way, I know what I'm talking about.

Despite what you seem to believe, Jews are a very diverse group of people. Some carry a serious and unjustified bias against Poles, and some don't. You can debate various issues with some of them, and others will just ignore all arguments, no matter how reasonable, and keep repeating the usual mantras. Lumping them all into one category is as crazy as assigning uniform character traits or intentions to all Poles, Americans, Brits or Zimbabweans.
Puzzy 1 | 150  
2 Jul 2008 /  #21
Rydzyk's simple-mindedness is best shown by the fact that he doesn't see anyone else's views as having any value at all

- Please give evidence (facts) that Fathert Rydzyk 'doesn't see anyone else's views as having any value at all.' In fact, your judgment better applies to Father Rydzyk's main adversary - Michnik, owner of the Gazeta Wyborcza (and fanatic zionist-Polonophobe). It's he who seems to be keen on keeping the monopoly on 'informing' the Poles, the evidence of which is his hacks' constant smear campaign against Father Rydzyk and his media. The purpose of this campaign is to wipe out Rydzyk's media from the Polish media market.

As to people scared away from the church, that comes from people I've spoken to personally, not public appearances

- This seems to signify that even if some people have really been scared away from the Church by Rydzyk, the phenomenon must be totally insignificant in terms of numbers. I wonder how on earth one can be scared away from the Church by the extremely pious Father Rydzyk?

Jews are a very diverse group of people. Some carry a serious and unjustified bias against Poles, and some don't.

- The problem is this 'diversity' is extremely teeny-weeny when it comes to the subject of Poland and Poles, and those Jews who are racist towards the Poles are legion, whereas those who aren't are very few, if any.

You can debate various issues with some of them, and others will just ignore all arguments, no matter how reasonable, and keep repeating the usual mantras.

- How idyllic and optimistic.

Lumping them all into one category is as crazy as assigning uniform character traits or intentions to all Poles, Americans, Brits or Zimbabweans.

- Any Jew would perhaps feel very offended if I didn't classify him as a Jew? So there are uniform categories of people, e.g. Jews. And yes there are traits and 'intentions' that whole groups share. Polonophobia of Jews is an example of such a mass attitude.
cyg 5 | 119  
2 Jul 2008 /  #22
- The problem is this 'diversity' is extremely teeny-weeny when it comes to the subject of Poland and Poles, and those Jews who are racist towards the Poles are legion, whereas those who aren't are very few, if any.

Not in my experience.

- How idyllic and optimistic.

Not idyllic, but empirical. I have seen and done what I described. My statistics aboviously look different than yours.

So there are uniform categories of people, e.g. Jews. And yes there are traits and 'intentions' that whole groups share. Polonophobia of Jews is an example of such a mass attitude.

Nonsense. It's true that many Jews have an unfounded dislike for Poland/Poles, but that does not extend to all of them, or as I've mentioned in my experience even the majority.

As to Rydzyk, I'm not a nut-case enough to keep records of his statements. I've heard a few that have made my ears prick up. A quick search of the web yields these (and if you say these don't show his anti-Semitism I have no arguments to convince you that they are - it's a matter of interpretation):

radiomaryja.pl.eu.org/nagrania/20020502-rydzyk/20020502-rydzyk.html

rydzyk.netcode.pl
o. Rydzyk: - Jest takie przysłowie: "Jedno jabłko zjedz dziennie, a lekarz będzie z daleka od ciebie". Żydzi to jabłko zamienili na czosnek i teraz wszyscy porządni ludzie są z daleka od nich.
Puzzy 1 | 150  
2 Jul 2008 /  #23
Not in my experience.

- What kind of 'experence' is that?

I have seen and done what I described. My statistics aboviously look different than yours.

- What specifically have you seen and done? What is your stats?

Nonsense.

- No. The evidence of Jewish Polonophobia and racism is abundant.

As to Rydzyk, I'm not a nut-case enough to keep records of his statements

- You mean you cannot prove your negative statements about him?

I've heard a few that have made my ears prick up.

- Can you quote them?

o. Rydzyk: - Jest takie przysłowie: "Jedno jabłko zjedz dziennie, a lekarz będzie z daleka od ciebie". Żydzi to jabłko zamienili na czosnek i teraz wszyscy porządni ludzie są z daleka od nich.

- It reads in English: ' There's a proverb: "Have one apple daily and the doctor will stay away from you." Jews have used garlic instead of apple and now all decent people stay away from them.' - So this is supposed to be the worst evidence of Father Rydzyk's alleged 'antisemitism'?! Why?! :) How does it compare with the rabidly hateful utterances of some Jews, e.g. 'rabbis,' about Poland and Poles?
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
2 Jul 2008 /  #24
Puzzy, u capture the spirit of a forum beautifully. Sometimes u come across as being like a relentless professor, sb who will not let sth stand until it has been fully proven. It works 2 ways but I like it. Keep posting lad :)
cyg 5 | 119  
2 Jul 2008 /  #25
What a pain in the b****

What kind of 'experence' is that?

Well, speaking with a whole range of Jews about Poland and Polish-Jewish issues, for one. Both in Poland and abroad.

- What specifically have you seen and done? What is your stats?

Let me quote myself on that one, since it didn't sink in the first time:
"You can debate various issues with some of them, and others will just ignore all arguments, no matter how reasonable, and keep repeating the usual mantras."

To make it clear, I have seen and heard their reactions, which were far from uniform.

- It reads in English: ' There's a proverb: "Have one apple daily and the doctor will stay away from you." Jews have used garlic instead of apple and now all decent people stay away from them.' - So this is supposed to be the worst evidence of Father Rydzyk's alleged 'antisemitism'?! Why?! :) How does it compare with the rabidly hateful utterances of some Jews, e.g. 'rabbis,' about Poland and Poles?

Jeeezzusss, man. Does the fact that there are anti-Polish Jews justify this kind of remark or make it any less anti-Semitic?

As for quotes, I don't have a ready list of them for you - sorry. Like I said, I don't have a major fixation about the man, and I'm not going to waste time looking for them now. I think the ones I provided prove my point sufficiently.
Harry  
2 Jul 2008 /  #26
and we have many reasons not to like the Jews, e.g. because of their communist crimes

Bet you think it's a pity that Adolf didn't finish the job, eh?

Morons like you are the reason that Warsaw's only synagogue is under 24 hour a day armed guard by the Polish police. You're exactly the kind of Pole who is happy to use a Jewish tombstone as a doorstep.
Puzzy 1 | 150  
2 Jul 2008 /  #27
Bet you think it's a pity that Adolf didn't finish the job, eh?

- Why would you bet like this? Aren't you afraid of losing the bet, creep?

Morons like you are the reason that Warsaw's only synagogue is under 24 hour a day armed guard by the Polish police

- You mean I am the reason or one of the reasons the synagogue is guarded? How come? I suspect over-guarding the synagogue is one of the usual Jewish theatrics whose purpose is to create in the outside world the conviction that Jews are always poor oppressed victims (while in reality they are oppressors, e.g. of Palestinians, and of Poles too - re: their hate campaign against us).

You're exactly the kind of Pole who is happy to use a Jewish tombstone as a doorstep.

- What facts would you base your above jugment of poor moi on, arrogant foul-mouthed creep? Aren't you the kind of Jew who tortured and murdered Polish patriots in the 1950s?
celinski 31 | 1,258  
2 Jul 2008 /  #28
Why is it the Jewish are so concerned with Poland's priests vs. say US or Britian priests.,

Today in Iraq Catholic's are hiding underground to follow faith and here Poland should be told by Jewish what they can and can't say. Maybe it's time the Catholic's start editing or auditing the Jewish church's. Holocaust funds disappearing as we speak?

Sorry if I offend Jewish but I am so sick of them telling Poland
what to do. Yet look at Israel, seems they would have enough in their own backyards without constantly running to Polands.

What's that saying about glass house's or maybe spike in your eye. lol

what is the difference between a Catholic and a Protestant

One kneel's to pray (Catholic) while the other does not, one can have Jesus on the cross the other does not. Really they are the same.

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