Poland will take half a century to catch up with the West

I agree with Greg. It actually has more to do with the pricing strategy. As anybody who has studied marketing will know, there are numerous options. Poland has opted for the pricier options as destroyer pricing doesn't fit with the setup of the market.

It doesn't make Poland behind, just different.

Why do you think there is no serious competition ?

Are competitors not allowed to set up in Poland or is the network poor ?

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When is the last time u caught the bus? Seriously, in Trojmiasto where I live, the transport system is rubbish. I hate the way u have to pay for 2 singles here unlike in UK where u can buy a return.

You can buy day ticket, week ticket....Why do we need return ticket becuause you have them in UK????? and truth to be said return ticket are not popular nowadays as people buy 'day rider' ticket in England.

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Those people who complain about the British healthcare system read a few stories in Polish newspapers which like to sensationalise any hint of trouble in the British system, and make their decisions based on that rather than personal experience. A friend of mine died in Poland a yr ago because the doctor who was supposed to give him his monthly shots forgot about the appointment. 4 days later he went into a coma.

What about UK- Waiting days and days for appointment..... No cancer drugs for people or you are rich and can buy it....dirty hospitals.... sorry but it is joke saying that hospitals in UK are so great.

And of course your doctors, nurses are so perfect they never make any mistakes.

Actually it will take 25 years to catch Germany. In 1997 Germany was 124% of eu average and Poland was 47. Now it's 111 vs 55. So it's 2% per year. If it stays that way, we will wait 25 years to catch Germany.

The troublw is Iwonka you have been to one small part of the UK. In the area of Wales I come from, ppl buy returns. Have you ever been outside the big cities of the uk?

I seriously hope nthat if u fall ill in UK you wont go to such sub standard hospitals as we have in the Uk but ull be airlifed to those great Polish hosplitals. I have lived here 5 yrs and pray that I never have to go to a Polkish hospital.

BTW do you realise that the British private healthcare system which is raated quite highly, offers medical cover for around 5 pounds a month. Even u can afford it Iwona

- So Poland isn't of the West? If not, why not?
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PS. What does the term 'West' signify? Isn't it a racial, and racist, term, utilised by the media psychopaths to brand different peoples and manipulate the mass perception?


- Oh boy, this Polonophobic butthead is still around? And still in Poland, in spite of his besmirching the country and shameless bragging that he'd go back to his native England? Wow, he's even been granted a Gold Member. How about the ordinary one, have you got any?

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Gold Member status can be bought, Puzzler.

I agree, what is "the West"? East Germany used to be the East, ostracised for obvious reasons. Now, through unification, it has become the West. Some may even say that Berlin is the capital of the West.

So, transformation, through which Poland has undergone a fairly radical one on many levels, is ignored in this case? The falling of communism was synonymous with change and unity in Germany, why not here?

I guess WW3 will break out in like 10 years, and destroy Poland once again!!!

What makes you say that?

What would the world do without the oil? or why not make sure you got all the oil before anyone else do, the outcome will be WW3.

- Yeah, what makes you say that? Are you some kind of psychic? If you're not Polish, do you think WW3 will destroy also your own land?

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I don`t think it is going to take so long. In some fields Poland has caught up with the West already.
On Christmas Eve my son hit his foot against the door frame and we suspected a broken toe. There are a few emergency wards in Krakow, we chose the nearest one. We waited 10 minutes for a consultation, the the doctor sent us to X-ray the foot. We got a CD with the picture, and when we got back to the doctor, he had already seen it on his computer. The whole thing lasted about 25 minutes.

It was nothing serious, fortunately.

What is the difference between this Polish hospital and the ones in the West?

In our local przychodnia - outpatient medical center, there are a few dozen of them in Krakow, they installed a lift for the disabled.

The children ward in the hospital

You can save your patronising tone for your Welsh mates....

You don't know where I was in UK but I guess yoy come from little Welsh village in the middle of nowewhere so visiting Poland was unfortunately is too big challenge for you.

I pray not to get to british hospitals- dirty, overcrowded with looong queues for everything.

Point taken about some British hospitals, Iwona. Still, I was surprised that, when I was in Aberdeen in July, that I had to wash my hands with a special substance. Ultra hygienic.

Why are you in the UK may I ask? Career development?

Well, it looks pretty much like some of our hospitals in the UK of course. Waiting times seem to be easier in Krakow. How many emergency rooms do you have in Krakow? In Edinburgh we have one emergency room on the outskirts of the city. We have a minor injuries clinic but they are not always useful (for example I was told by my GP to go there with a suspected broken hand and when I got there they said they couldn't x-ray and I had to go to the main hospital). We have various non-emergency hospitals. There is one more emergency room in a town outside of Edinburgh plus we have the Sick Kids hospital.

Waiting times can vary here depending on how busy the emergency room is. I think for what you described it would still be over an hour even in a relatively quiet period here. (I'm glad it was nothing serious for your son. :)


Go private then. Or stop bashing something you don't have any experience of. Having spent time in the hospitals here I can safely say I was never worried about the cleanliness of them. I have been rushed to Accident and Emergency on a Saturday night and I have not a bad word to say about anything even though the hospitals was busy, busy. The staff were angels.


Usually alcohol gel, since the outbreaks of MRSA it's usually required.

I noticed that it was ethanol based, PD :) Nice safety precaution. Prophlyactic measures are for choice.

I think British doctors and nurses do remarkably well given the conditions they have to work under.

Krakow`s population is about 800.000, including uni students. There is one major Emergency Service (Pogotowie Ratunkowe, 999) which sends ambulances and 7 emergency wards functioning at hospitals.

kpr.med.pl/index.php/id-10


Ooops, not too many. :):)


There are about a dozen hospitals in K.


Yes, the time varies. Two years ago we went to the same hospital with a cut lip and we waited for an hour or more because the child surgeon was making an operation and a regular surgeon was afraid to sew on my son. Finally, he gave up and stitched the lip.


He is still limping, though. :):) Kids are impossible creatures... especially boys.

Ooops, too late. I can`t edit my previous post, the Edit button has disappeared already. I must say this feature is really annoying. No other forum I attend is so technically unfriendly.


Look at this X-ray. Do you see anything? He claims it hurts him...

Skip the first picture. He moved his foot while taking X-ray.

More pics: Children surgery
Patients without insurance must pay high prices for tommography - from 180 to 350 zlotys.
Deserted corridors. It was 9 pm.

That's about three hundred thousand more than Edinburgh. Although the same number of hospitals and staff have to cope when the festival causes the city to swell by double.


No you're right. The Kids hospital has an emergency room though. :


Our other hospitals might be ones you'd go to for long term convalescence. Mostly the elderly go there though.


As it does here but I would be very surprised if anyone here was in and out in 25 minutes.


I love X-rays. :) This one looks normal though. He probably just bashed it hard. ;)

I suppose so. Jumping of joy like a kangaroo all over the apartment caused a really serious bashing.
I don`t understand those kids :):):) What was he so happy about??? Because it was Christmas Eve???

Is Poland's economy going into a meltdown? NO

Not a very nice thing to say about Poland. I heard they are doing alot better off then Russia.they are smart people they have been through the ringer give Poland a break.

Well, East Germany with less than half population of Poland got from the west something like a trillion EUR and the difference between east and west will be still noticable for many more years. In case of Poland all these "EU funds" are rather symbolic, no matter what EU propaganda says and there are co2 limits and other BS, so generally the only really positive thing is access to common market...

Now a half a century thing... "metodology" they used is on the real retard level but I agree that Poland won't achieve "western" GDP per capita quickly. We should reach 75%-80% quite fast but for more very serious structural and "mental" changes will be needed and that will take a lot of time.

Mental, spot on Greg.

Poles still suffer from the 'we are poor' mentality. It never ceases to amaze me how such a quality educational system cannot produce the working conditions necessary to keep key workers.

It makes me wonder just how much quality the educational system has.

Maybe you should just leave and go your own way...as you don't seem to need any help (and those help is just symbolic anyway)...

The EU would be better off that's for sure!

Please BB, 2-1 to me now. You clearly haven't read what I wrote.

I was making the point that there is a 'mental' perception problem here in Poland. There is a deeply entrenched view in some that they are poor and this is not gonna change overnight.

Their education system is pretty good but that doesn't reflect in some of the jobs on offer. That's what I was trying to say and many Poles will tell you the same.

Think about it, the Poles love their food, education system, women, religious ethics etc etc. Then, why do they leave? Watch Youtube videos, ask people. For money. They were in heaven when it was 7.2PLN to the pound. Even a 1000 pounds a month job got them 7200PLN.

I wasn't talking about any symbolism in EU funding, BB.

Oki...forget what I said...

No worries, BB.

time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1729145-2,00.html
I don't the political leanings of Time but I surmise, judging by this, that they are pro PIS.

If not, there are a few scathing indictments here that need rectifying.

Prince has posted some good stuff but Poland does lag behind in certain areas.

Also, such pressure as shown in the following article is unfair
eubusiness.com/news-eu/1229003229.22

Why should Germany have to be punished for being successful? They created their wealth and already contribute much.

- But before we leave and go our way (which I wouldn't mind - we would be less dependent on germany), maybe you should leave this forum, where you've been spreading your nazi german Polonophobia for ages now? You've given more than enough evidence of the german mainstream racist and irrational attitude towards the Poles. We already know it. The fact that you're still here seems to be proof that German law okays spreading hate against Poles with impunity. And now to respectable members of this forum: in retrospect, I think Poland made a huge mistake by joining the EU. I think Poland should leave the EU as soon as possible. I can give scores of arguments to back up my statement.


- But where do you see evidence of the allegedly poor rich Germany's being punished for being successful, Seanus? Well, maybe they, ahem, 'contribute much,' but also demand much in return. By the way, is it a good thing for a country or countries to remain heavily dependent on another country? Is it a good thing to be sitting on the dole from a foreign nation, particularly if the nation is unpleasant and hostile?

Wow, for once I completely agree with something that Puzzler said!
The EU is plastic, everyone should know this by now.

Tell it to millions of Polish farmers who get funds from EU.
I don`t think they would be too happy hearing you or Puzzler. They wouldn`t listen to you long - Hey, guys, load those two on wheelbarrows and get out of the village! :):):):):)

Similarly , millions of Poles who have gone to work in EU countries without need to obtain work permits etc etc wouldn`t be too happy......

PS. BTW, do you know how much money does a farmer get per a hectare?

So, Puzzler and Filios, and other guys who turn down EU, why don`t you wake up to reality at last? :):):)