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POLAND TO SIGN US MISSILE SHIELD DEAL TONIGHT


celinski 31 | 1,258  
15 Aug 2008 /  #31
Please, explain to me how this agreement helps Poland.

Any Country that is free is able to defend her people. Poland is no differant in this. There is no balance at this point, Poland walks on egg shells while she becomes independant just as Ukraine and any other baltic state.

Why do you feel Russia is upset with Poland protecting herself, do they have this right and in fact they give there "anti missle shield to Iran" and it's ok as long as they pick who gets it?
Wroclaw Boy  
15 Aug 2008 /  #32
freedom fries

Freedom fries hey! now what the fcuk are they, is that some new chip from the US?

Poland arent protecting themselves with a missile shield, where did you get that from? CNN?
jkn005 1 | 127  
15 Aug 2008 /  #33
Why do you feel Russia is upset with Poland protecting herself, do they have this right and in fact they give there "anti missle shield to Iran" and it's ok as long as they pick who gets it?

Yet this has nothing to do with protecting Poland.
celinski 31 | 1,258  
15 Aug 2008 /  #34
So what does then? Poland is free and to keep this freedom they need a strong military. You can see how hard it is with the USA without the USA do you really feel Russia would invest in anything that protect her future from another take over. Or should they live free and continue to ki*s up to stay that way?
Wroclaw 44 | 5,384  
15 Aug 2008 /  #35
Poland walks on egg shells while she becomes independant

What part of history are you living in. Poland is independent.

Why do you feel Russia is upset with Poland protecting herself, do they have this right and in fact they give there "anti missle shield to Iran" and it's ok as long as they pick who gets it?

Any missile that comes from a rogue state is likely to pass over Russia to get to us. It might be more beneficial to have an agreement with them (Russia) rather than the USA, don't you think ?

Any missile from Iran and heading for the US will not pass over Polish territory. So again, what's the point.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 12,340  
15 Aug 2008 /  #36
The upcoming havoc will hardly disturb a hair on far away celinski - quite to the contrary to the people here in central Europe, again...(a sarcastic) THANK YOU!
celinski 31 | 1,258  
15 Aug 2008 /  #37
far away celinski

far away because Poland did not have protection.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 12,340  
15 Aug 2008 /  #38
Sure they had...remember the english/french treaty???
Didn't they ran to help???

God Cel, your thinking helped to bring that on. Howl long will you keep Poland hostage for gone grievances?
Georgian 1 | 6  
15 Aug 2008 /  #39
Merkel defends - today- shield project in Moscov - you see how manipulative they are.

Poland has protection we dream about such shield in Georgia. Good move Poland.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 12,340  
15 Aug 2008 /  #40
What about Abkhazians and South Ossetians? All the US/Israel modernised army didn't help you to fight them....a shield wouldn't either!
randompal 7 | 306  
15 Aug 2008 /  #41
Any missile from Iran and heading for the US will not pass over Polish territory. So again, what's the point.

the point is that the US has long felt the need to project absolute power, including domination of space. the missile shield is about controlling the upper reaches of the atmosphere and containing Russia and China, and anyone else who wants to get in the way of domination of the middle east oil supply, among other things. if you look at all of this from Russia's point of view, the US has initiated a friendly coup in Georgia a few years ago (the current president of Georgia and his rise to power was/is funded by the US State Dept, and Russia knows it), is trying to suck Ukraine into NATO in order to kick the Russian Black Sea fleet out, and now is installing a missile shield in central Europe.

Russians are not stupid, they know that what the US is doing will effectively give America first-strike capability against Russia. But the media in the US (as well as in Poland) don't want you to know this, they just want you to think it is all about some crazed Iranian mullahs. But don't take my word for it, read about it for yourself and think about it.

What is perfectly clear after the last few days/months is that the Polish leadership is absolutely bent upon promoting US interests in Europe, almost as if their lives depend on it. Now that is freaky...and these di@kwads tell me to sleep better because we will have a few sh+tty Patriot missile batteries rusting around Poland to protect us as world war III is just around the corner (or at least another Cuban Missile Crisis).
celinski 31 | 1,258  
15 Aug 2008 /  #42
Howl long will you keep Poland hostage for gone grievances?

Whats the matter Brat can't stand to see Poland grow stronger, just when you were getting so cozy with Russia.
Georgian 1 | 6  
15 Aug 2008 /  #43
Germans last Russian ally in EU...
Wroclaw Boy  
15 Aug 2008 /  #44
So what does then? Poland is free and to keep this freedom they need a strong military. You can see how hard it is with the USA without the USA

Thats why Poland are now EU, not America they are an EU member state and we have the power to deliver strong messages should the situation call for it.

Sure they had...remember the english/french treaty???
Didn't they ran to help???

Yes, when Germany was a similar threat to what the Poles may consider... exists right now with other hostile, facist, racist, murdering nations such as germany was only a few years ago.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 12,340  
15 Aug 2008 /  #45
Whats the matter Brat can't stand to see Poland grow stronger, just when you were getting so cozy with Russia.

HOW does it make Poland stronger Cel? Really, I want to know....
Wroclaw 44 | 5,384  
15 Aug 2008 /  #46
Nice post, randompal.
celinski 31 | 1,258  
15 Aug 2008 /  #47
Really, I want to know....

Did you see the umbrella between the two? If you don't feel this secures a country then why do all the country's spend so much to have them? Take your defence apart if you realy don't know.
Wroclaw Boy  
15 Aug 2008 /  #48
Great work Poland...a huge contribution to safety and stability and good relationships in Europe...thank you, thank you, thank you! *bows*

Still weaiting for the reply sausage. Why is it so great?
cnktr_pol - | 4  
15 Aug 2008 /  #49
Hi everyone, I'm a student from Turkey and I'll live in Poland between september 08 and february 09 by an student exchange program. These news really make me confused and worried.. This is the third and LAST Poland Republic! I don't want that god damn Russians will have an action on Poland.. Poland should not be so close to America also but it also should not disturb Russians cos' Poland is independent and can create contacts with countries which one they prefer.. Do you think that these things will long more or they will solve this problem each other.. What is the future of these disagreement between Poles and god damn Russians?!

Best wishes, regards and supports from one of best friends of Poland, Turkey!!
Ryszard - | 89  
15 Aug 2008 /  #50
Great work Poland...a huge contribution to safety and stability and good relationships in Europe...thank you, thank you, thank you! *bows*

Not so huge as signing by kanzler Schroeder the "Ribbentrop-Molotov" gaspipe deal, but thank you anyway. BTW, how do you think, where will go Merkel when she retires? Personally I bet for Lukoil, Gazprom would be too trivial (besides, two ex bundeskanzlers in one company..)
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 12,340  
15 Aug 2008 /  #51
The gaspipe deal was a desperate try to get away from polish territory, the missile shield...well...at least the pipeline will keep Germans warm! Don't come begging!
Ryszard - | 89  
15 Aug 2008 /  #52
The gaspipe deal was a desperate try to get away from polish territory

Yes, we know. Our dear German friends.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 12,340  
15 Aug 2008 /  #53
We were so right!

What about if suddenly Washington would order Poland to stop the Gas delivery to Germany??? Poles would comply of course...
celinski 31 | 1,258  
15 Aug 2008 /  #54
at least the pipeline will keep Germans warm! Don't come begging

Until Russia decides he likes your backyard also.
Ryszard - | 89  
15 Aug 2008 /  #55
What about if suddenly Washington would order Poland to stop the Gas delivery to Germany??? Poles would comply of course...

Oh of course...
We would stop the Gas to Germany and then Russia would do.. absolutely nothing! No, Russia in that case definintely would support Washington's case and would not stop the gas delivery to Poland.

May I ask you to start using some brain when thinking, ok?
Dice 15 | 452  
15 Aug 2008 /  #56
IMHO USA should NOT have to pay for the defense of the EU countries, that needs to be Europe's job, not the US'. They need to be in charge of it, both financially and in terms of pulling the trigger. I am pretty sure that the next President, whoever he/she might be, will back off from this agreement and pull our bases out of Europe (especially out of those crazy Yugoslav countries). There is just no reason for it. The popular opinion is strongly against spending our money on Europe's defense. All we will ever get back from it is a negative reaction from the Europeans, so let them take care of themselves from now on.

It might be more beneficial to have an agreement with them (Russia) rather than the USA, don't you think ?

I think Poland had already tried this way of thinking after WWII. (1945-1990?) From what I know, it didn't work so well for Her. As a matter of fact, She is still trying to recover from that mistake as we speak. Russia is a thread to the World again, especially to smaller independent states. What just happened to Georgia is a clear example of Russia's real intentions.

But then again, you should suit yourself.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 12,340  
15 Aug 2008 /  #57
What just happened to Georgia is a clear example of Russia's real intentions.
But then again, you should suit yourself.

Umm...you know that Georgia started this, don't you?
You know that all this kerfuffle is about Abkhazia and South Ossetia not wanting to live under georgian boots, don't you?
Shouldn't the US support small, independent people fighting for their freedom and not supporting their jail master???

And yes, I totally agree the european defense should be a european issue...so talk to your meddling government please!
Dice 15 | 452  
15 Aug 2008 /  #58
I don't want to support anybody, and for sure we can't afford another war, especially with Russia. And the conflict between Georgia and Russia is just a show of strength on the Russia's side. They simply did something nobody was expecting them to do. It's a free lesson for the other countries in the region, that's all.
Ryszard - | 89  
15 Aug 2008 /  #59
Umm...you know that Georgia started this, don't you?

No, I don't. And nobody who can think does not. Unless he blindly believies in all what Russian propaganda tells. Why don't you ask Georgians what happened there, huh?

You know that all this kerfuffle is about Abkhazia and South Ossetia not wanting to live under georgian boots, don't you?

How about Georgians who lives in Abkhazia and South Ossetia who do not want to live under russian boots, they don't interest you at all, do they?

Shouldn't the US support small, independent people fighting for their freedom and not supporting their jail master???

Definitely. That's why US support Georgia, being invaded by they old russian jail master tanks.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 12,340  
15 Aug 2008 /  #60
No, I don't. And nobody who can think does not. Unless he blindly believies in all what Russian propaganda tells. Why don't you ask Georgians what happened there, huh?

Russian propaganda, huh?

Even the US knew beforehand what idiot Saakashvili planned and tried to stop him!

iht.com/articles/2008/08/13/europe/diplo.php

...Right up until the hours before Georgia launched its attacklate last week in South Ossetia, Washington's top envoy for the region, Assistant Secretary of State Daniel Fried, and other administration officials were warning the Georgians not to allow the conflict to escalate....

Busted!

That's why US support Georgia, being invaded by they old russian jail master tanks.

How...smart talking from far away Washington???
Let's all have a good laugh!
Idiot Saakashvili counted on more than just nice words, they let him hang to dry!

...Rice did not get on the phone with her Georgian counterpart on Thursday but left it to Fried to deliver the "don't go in" message, a senior administration official said.

"I don't think it would have made any difference if she had," the official said. "They knew the message was coming from the top."

A few hours later, Georgia launched its offensive in South Ossetia...

Just russian propaganda, huh!

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