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POLAND TO SIGN US MISSILE SHIELD DEAL TONIGHT


Piorun - | 658  
21 Aug 2008 /  #181
Is that even possible? What I mean to say is; make him look a bit less gay. I think it's impossible, if that was the case and keeping in mind modern german fashion, he would look something like this.

Back than this was the fashion

Can someone please tell me what the difference is?

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Bratwurst Boy 12 | 12,063  
21 Aug 2008 /  #182
He...a Pole obsessed with fashion??? Are you gay???

:):):)
ConstantineK 26 | 1,259  
22 Aug 2008 /  #183
mmmm... I like that blond guy in boxers and field cap....he is so sexy
MarcinD 4 | 135  
22 Aug 2008 /  #184
Wonder if this will speed up the process of getting Poland on the U.S Visa Waiver list ;-) probably not..

seriously, what the **** is that all about? How is Czech higher up the pole than we are?

To me the bottom line was that we were screwed either way.

Don't put the shield up: Show weakness to Russia, continue to be bossed around by our neighbor and in case of an emergency we won't get the backing up the Euro Nation...we've seen it happen over and over in our history

Put the sheid up: It's expensive and angers Russia but screw them. They've been back dooring us for too long and obviously don't respect us. It's time for a new age of Polish history, one where we have an Ace under our sleeve if anything were to happen.

Do I believe U.S.A knew Georgia's attack of South Ossetia would fuel Russia and push us into signing the deal - YES

Did Russia's over reaction push us into signing the deal - YES

Russia has only itself to blame in my opinion. They are aware of the history of this region and they're back door treatment of Poland on issues like oil is ********. They do not treat us like allies so why should we side with them over America? We needed someone else in our corner and now we have one. We will never allow ourselves to be attacked on both fronts while the rest of Europe watches again.
Cali_in_Poznan 2 | 15  
22 Aug 2008 /  #185
Wonder if this will speed up the process of getting Poland on the U.S Visa Waiver list ;-

I may be wrong but I believe that if the Polish Government wanted the visa waived all they would have to do is ask. but they are probably asking for the opposite.

Do you think the Polish Government want more of thier skilled workforce to leave.
ConstantineK 26 | 1,259  
22 Aug 2008 /  #186
Did Russia's over reaction

Mmmm "overreaction" already. Ten days ago it was "act of agression". Let's wait.
celinski 31 | 1,258  
22 Aug 2008 /  #187
We will never allow ourselves to be attacked on both fronts while the rest of Europe watches again.

Well said, Poland has always been there for USA no questions asked and here in the USA majority know this. With all the Polish families in the USA because Poland was not protected many see and feel this need. This article says it all.

Poland: once bitten, twice shy

Surveys show Polish public opinion has rapidly shifted from wariness about hosting the US missile shield to outright enthusiasm. The reason is simple. Russia conducted a devastating counterattack against Georgia this month, and Poles are convinced the time for treading softly around the Russian bear has passed.

But now, the 10 interceptor missiles headed for Poland have real power - and that power is symbolic rather than tactical. With American boots and hardware on the ground in their country, Poles feel that they cannot be let down in the way they have been so many times before. The Kremlin's recent behavior, and long memories in this part of the world, makes Poles want that certainty.

guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/aug/21/poland.usa?
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 12,063  
22 Aug 2008 /  #188
...But now, the 10 interceptor missiles headed for Poland have real power – and that power is symbolic rather than tactical...

This shield does sh*t for you but annoying your neighbours! If that is your course to secure Polands safety, good luck!

:)

PS: And why oh why do I never get an answer for the question where Polands energy should come from when the bear get's really miffed???
celinski 31 | 1,258  
22 Aug 2008 /  #189
question where Polands energy should come from when the bear get's really miffed???

Tell me where your energy will come from if you have a thought that Russia doesn't like?
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 12,063  
22 Aug 2008 /  #190
We have many thoughts Russia doesn't like - for example we criticize their disregard for human rights or their lack of freedom of press, also we disagree over Chechnya or Kosovo...there are many things.

At the same time we disagree with many things the US does, Iraq for example and Guantanamo or with Poland's potatoe heads twins...and still we are alive and well!

Can you believe it??? Disagreeing and still not at war with each other??? IMPOSSIBLE! :)
celinski 31 | 1,258  
22 Aug 2008 /  #191
Disagreeing and still not at war with each other???

It also does not hurt that you have Poland between you and Russia. Don't get me wrong disaggreeing is not the issue, attacking, threatening and total disreguard for rights of independent country's is. In fact disaggreeing is healthy and keeps us in check. Right now Russia brags of pointing missle at Poland. Why, there's no missle shield to point at?
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 12,063  
22 Aug 2008 /  #192
It also does not hurt that you have Poland between you and Russia.

Erm...not to hurt any feelings but Poland is surely no deterrent for determined russian troops wanting to have a coffee at the Ku'damm.

And why should they use ground troops if they could lay whole central Europe to waste with their nukes?

And about which threats coming from Russia are you talking especially?

Just a question...how about russian missiles on Cuba?
celinski 31 | 1,258  
22 Aug 2008 /  #193
how about russian missiles on Cuba?

Missle or missle shield? On Cuba or in?

And about which threats coming from Russia are you talking especially?

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Seanus 15 | 19,706  
22 Aug 2008 /  #194
With America and Russia both pushing for control, this song sprung to mind.

Listen from 1.43 to 2.00, contained within is the root of the problem. Educating future generations with nonsense

youtube.com/watch?v=66nqhVtq6xo&feature=related
from Radio KAOS, a 1987 album by Roger Waters

It would appear that the tide still has some turning to do
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
22 Aug 2008 /  #196
Easy question Celinski, do u like Ukraine or not?
celinski 31 | 1,258  
22 Aug 2008 /  #197
yes, my fathers birthplace, Lewkowce, Poland in Kresy.
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
22 Aug 2008 /  #198
Then why can u be so angry towards only Russia? The Ukrainians, along with the Jewish police, brutalised Poles and Jews in WWII.
celinski 31 | 1,258  
22 Aug 2008 /  #199
How did Russia threatened Poland?

MISSILE SHIELD FALLOUT
Poland Risks Serious Confrontation with Russia

The Cold War is returning to Poland. Warsaw wants to further tighten ties with Washington and it has used the US missile defense system to do so -- against massive opposition from Moscow. In return, the Poles will now be given Patriot missiles to protect themselves.

Moscow has argued that the missile shield could also be
used against Russia. "Poland is now a target of our missiles," one Russian general hissed not long ago after the Polish and Americans reached an agreement.

spiegel.de/international/europe/0,1518,573307,00.html

Then why can u be so angry towards only Russia?

I do feel the ones hiding in Canada that killed Polish families should be tried for their crimes also.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 12,063  
22 Aug 2008 /  #200
MISSILE SHIELD FALLOUT

Erm...yes?

I posted that article first...don't say we didn't warn you!
Without Missile Shield no Fallout...or as I keep saying: "You made your bed now lie in it!"

But there must be threats made by Russia against Poland before or Poles would surely not felt scared enough to agree to this thing, right?

What was it?
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
22 Aug 2008 /  #201
Oh, Russia has threatened Poland, many times actually. However, NATO's top brass have reiterated that there will not be a return to Cold War ways.

Poland is banking on Russia not following through on what may be perceived as idle threats. America threatening to strike Russia is an effective deterrent for sure but that won't change the fact that, should Russia strike, heavy damage will be sustained.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 12,063  
22 Aug 2008 /  #202
Oh, Russia has threatened Poland, many times actually.

I keep hearing that...but gimme some stuff to read about please....

Poland is banking on Russia not following through on what may be perceived as idle threats. America threatening to strike Russia is an effective deterrent for sure but that won't change the fact that, should Russia strike, heavy damage will be sustained.

Well...they could have saved themselves and us all that wondering....just a NO to the US would had been enough!
celinski 31 | 1,258  
22 Aug 2008 /  #203
"You made your bed now lie in it!"

Stop with the bed crap we did not threaten them, POLAND is FREE to defend herself and with past and present actions by Russia would be stupid not to. Germany being EU, stand beside Poland not look for reasons Poland is wrong for defending herself.

It would appear that the tide still has some turning to do

Thank you a very pretty song indeed. :)

What was it?

Did you read the article above? Lets see if not for the shield it would be Poland is an allie with US, or Poland defended Georgia. Let me ask you did Ukraine sign a shield aggreement or do they just have Russian living there?
Kilkline 1 | 689  
22 Aug 2008 /  #204
I havent read the entire thread so forgive me if I'm repeating a point already made but if Poland acted unilaterally to install the missile shield on their own land despite the fact that it has made their neighbours (including Germany) indirect targets for Russian missiles, then how can they object to Germany acting unilaterally as regards to the pipeline?

I should add though that I do think Russia is a threat to all of her former satellite states and is looking for opportunities to assert themselves as a world power again. Russia only respects other large nations such as Germany France and Britain and doesnt want to have to deal with 'upstarts' like Poland. It offends them to have to do so. They also definitely have a policy of divide and conquer as regards the EU.
celinski 31 | 1,258  
22 Aug 2008 /  #205
This is not about the "Missile Shield" it is just a reason for Russia to flex.

"Moscow's military leaders aren't really afraid of the US missile defense system. Ten US interceptor missiles stand against thousands of Russian warheads, should it come to that. Fears of spying, which the Kremlin has always mentioned in connection with the project, are not decisive. Russian military experts concede that already-existing US listening posts are enough. As usual, the main point is the respect and recognition of a Russia which still has not come to terms with its loss of superpower status.

spiegel.de/international/europe/0,1518,573527,00.html
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 12,063  
22 Aug 2008 /  #206
Today, 09:49 Report #205

This is not about the "Missile Shield" it is just a reason for Russia to flex.

Then why being so stupid and shortsighted to give them that reason???

Do you really think the US will take risks for Poland???

iht.com/articles/2008/08/21/europe/policy.php

...The list of ways a more hostile Russia could cause problems for the United States extends far beyond Syria and the mountains of Georgia. In addition to increased arms sales to other anti-American states like Iran and Venezuela, policymakers and specialists here envision a freeze in cooperation on counterterrorism and nuclear nonproliferation, manipulation of oil and natural gas supplies, pressure against U.S. military bases in Central Asia and the collapse of efforts to extend Cold War-era arms-control treaties.

"It's Iran, it's the UN," said Angela Stent, who served as the top Russia officer at the U.S. government's National Intelligence Council until 2006 and now directs Russian studies at Georgetown University. "It's all the counterterrorism and counternarcotics programs, Syria, Venezuela, Hamas - there are any number of issues over which they can be less cooperative than they've been. And of course, energy."...

Seanus 15 | 19,706  
22 Aug 2008 /  #207
We'll nuke Poland" is how the Sun reports Russia's threat of a nuclear strike, because Poland is to host parts of US missile defence shields.

In the ratcheting-up of the rhetoric, both the Sun and the Daily Mail perceive a "new Cold War". From the 16th of August 2008, BBC

time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1833678,00.html this article will also give u the key details. There is more if u need it BB
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 12,063  
22 Aug 2008 /  #208
Yes...AFTER the missile shield!

But Poland agreed to the shield because the many threats made by Russia against Poland, right? What were there???
celinski 31 | 1,258  
22 Aug 2008 /  #209
Then why being so stupid and shortsighted to give them that reason???

why is this a reason, it's not even Russia said so.

This is not about the "Missile Shield" it is just a reason for Russia to flex.

Do you think Poland should just bow to Russia's threats?

What were there???

"Kaczynski, a longtime supporter of the shield, said the crisis in Georgia — which, like Poland, is an ex-communist country turned U.S. ally — prompted the government to cut protracted negotiations short and ink the deal. "I believe that the events in Georgia caused the government finally to understand that black is black and white is white," Kaczynski told Polish television."
Matyjasz 2 | 1,544  
22 Aug 2008 /  #210
I havent read the entire thread so forgive me if I'm repeating a point already made but if Poland acted unilaterally to install the missile shield on their own land despite the fact that it has made their neighbours (including Germany) indirect targets for Russian missiles, then how can they object to Germany acting unilaterally as regards to the pipeline?

It seems that its one of the "what was first, the chicken or the egg?" questions.

This shield does sh*t for you but annoying your neighbours! If that is your course to secure Polands safety, good luck!

Do you think that Poland should avoid annoying Russia?

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