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There is no Muslim in Poland


Pavel  
13 Aug 2006 /  #1
The Mongols sacked Krakow in the 12th century, but the Turks did not set foot in Poland. Some Mongols stayed, that is true, as well as Russia, but they were "blended" out with ethnic Poles and the Polish skin color remains white. Some Russians have slightly slanted eyes do to Mongol encursions and a brief stay by Mongolia in the early parts of the Dark Ages. Perhaps I should rephrase that as the Early period of the Middle Ages. But the Russians and Poles remain CRACKA WHITE.

And it is the black genus that says "Poles are racist" "Poles are not white" (first time I've heard that one) just because are men are sick of lude advances by black females. We're not racist, black women just aren't our type. But if you continue to provicate us, we will gladly become racist.
bossie 1 | 123  
14 Aug 2006 /  #2
Actually, there are some, very few, Muslims in Poland. In Wroclaw, where I live, there is a Muslim community house, in the north of the city, there was even a weekend of Muslim awareness open to the public.

Considering wider view, there are some Muslims in all Poland, very few, but still. There are some newcomers, but also some families living in Poland since 15th century. They speak perfect Polish and it's just religion that makes them different.

Personally, I met one Polish girl who turned out to be Muslim. Educated, kind, humble. I also met a young man whose father came from the Near East and started a family with a Polish woman.

Are Polish racist? That's a separate question. You don't need to be white to be racist, you just hate "others", whoever they are. And it's always connected with narrow-mindedness.
gorgeous  
25 Aug 2006 /  #3
Muslims live in Poland for 7 centuries and most of them are Tatars:

Polish Tatars
Main articles: Lipka Tatars and Islam in Poland

From the 13th to 17th centuries various groups of Tatars settled and/or found refuge within the Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth. This was promoted especially by the Grand Dukes of Lithuania, because of their deserved reputation as skilled warriors. The Tatar settlers were all granted with szlachta (~ nobility) status, a tradition that was preserved until the end of the Commonwealth in the 18th century. They included the Lipka Tatars (13-14 centuries) as well as Crimean and Nogay Tatars (15th-16th centuries), all of which were noticeable in Polish military history, as well as Kazan Tatars (16th-17th centuries). They all mostly settled in the Grand Duchy of Lithuania, lands that are now in Lithuania and Belarus.

Various estimates of the number of Tatars in the Commonwealth in the 17th century range from 15,000 persons to 60 villages with mosques. Numerous royal privileges, as well as internal autonomy granted by the monarchs allowed the Tatars to preserve their religion, traditions and culture over the centuries. The Tatars were allowed to intermarry with Christians, a thing uncommon in Europe at the time. The May Constitution of 1791 gave the Tatars representation in the Polish Sejm.

Although by the 18th century the Tatars adopted the local language, the Islamic religion and many Tatar traditions (e.g. the sacrifice of bulls in their mosques during the main religious festivals) were preserved. This led to formation of a distinctive Muslim culture, in which the elements of Muslim orthodoxy mixed with religious tolerance and a relatively liberal society. For instance, the women in Lipka Tatar society traditionally had the same rights and status as men, and could attend non-segregated schools.

About 5,500 Tatars lived within the inter-war boundaries of Poland (1920-1939), and a Tatar cavalry unit had fought for the country's independence. The Tatars had prserved their cultural identity and sustained a number of Tatar organisations, including a Tatar archives, and a museum in Wilno (Vilnius).

The Tatars suffered serious losses during World War II and furthermore, after the border change in 1945 a large part of them found themselves in the Soviet Union. It is estimated that about 3000 Tatars live in present-day Poland, of which about 500 declared Tatar (rather than Polish) nationality in the 2002 census. There are two Tatar villages (Bohoniki and Kruszyniany) in the north-east of present-day Poland, as well as urban Tatar communities in Warsaw, Gdansk, Bialystok, and Gorzow Wielkopolski. Tatars in Poland sometimes have a Muslim surname with a Polish ending: Ryzwanowicz, Jakubowicz.

The Tatars were relatively very noticeable in the Commonwealth military as well as in Polish and Lithuanian political and intellectual life for such a small community. In modern-day Poland, their presence is also widely known, due in part to their noticeable role in the historical novels of Henryk Sienkiewicz, which are universally recognized in Poland. A number of Polish intellectual figures have also been Tatars, e.g. the prominent historian Jerzy £ojek.

A small community of Polish speaking Tartars settled in Brooklyn, New York in the early 1900s. They established a mosque that is still in use today.

Polish Tatars
krysia 23 | 3,058  
25 Aug 2006 /  #4
Hey Gorgeous

Very interesting. I am a descendent of the Almak-han Tartars. Where can I find more information about this? I have royal blood in me and if the Tartars would still rule, I'd be a princess by now.
gorgeous  
25 Aug 2006 /  #5
Some more infos about our Tatars, my majesty ;) :

tatarzy.tkb.pl
arabia.pl/content/view/274040/2
planetaislam.com/historia/tatarzy
jednota.pl/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=226&Itemid=63
religie.wiara.pl/wydruk.php?grupa=6&art=1046101229&dzi=1038828367&katg =
islampolska.webpark.pl/tatarzy.html

All sites are in polisz lengłidż.
krysia 23 | 3,058  
25 Aug 2006 /  #6
Thank you Very Much my peasant
OP Pavel  
3 Sep 2006 /  #7
They more look like Polish Polish to me. True all cultures are not "pure" or "clean". There are elements of at least a few different cultures in any given European country. Celts in Britany, France, English in Ireland. Basques in Spain and southwestern France. Before WWII, Jews in Europe, and Gypsies from India, also in Europa. Muslims immigrating to England, North Africans in France. Asian people definetely in Russia, (parts) of Poland, Tatars just being Mongol desdendents. But all these "differences" is what makes Europe truely Pure, as vinegar is discusting alone, as I would also imagine oil (wtf??), but mixed together makes a damn good salad dressing and cooking element, just not of my particular taste.

The Mongols conquered Russia, sacked Krakowa, and where they went, they settled. Just something to be more admitted than proud of. Not even the Slavs are purely Slav.

Even Germans are a mix of rampaging neighbors during and after the Thirty Year's War, Prussia being so desperate for a population (said an army with a country, than a country with an army) that they begged anyone from anywhere to come in and settle, still struggling a century later with a healthy population count.

One last example: America, originally English and white, now hosts the most diverse population of the world, yet also the most diverse problems of the world, a true example of the misery we (and I) live in in the most multi-culturally plagued nation on Earth.
bossie 1 | 123  
13 Sep 2006 /  #8
I had a quick look at some of the photos available on Tatarzy Polscy website. In one of them I saw a woman who looks exactly like one Polish girl I know. She and her other family members have weird names, like nobody else I've ever met. I've always thought that they're Slavic names but this picture makes me think again.

Tell me, do you know anyone called Dobrogniew, Dobroniega, Bozydara, Chwalislawa? They're Catholic and live in Western Poland but....

Any opinions?
Biggy  
13 Sep 2006 /  #9
The names seem to be old polish ones. I've never met anyone with such a name, but possibly they can still be used in some regions.
aman  
8 May 2007 /  #10
i came to poland in april 2007 to wroclaw but found it very hard to eat anything as i could not find any halal food or even a mosque if you could assist me in giving the address of the mosque and any halal establishment that i can eat at i would be greatfull

i hope to come back to poland soon as my suppliers arew based there and the thought of returning is doughting me at all times

rgds amanulla
LoneStranger 3 | 382  
8 May 2007 /  #11
Dark Ages.

Comon....just about 600 to a tousand years ago.... Its Past...but Dark Ages :S :D ... nope!

Early period of the Middle Ages

Late Period...or middle period....its not so early actually

Polish Tatars can be Christians too you know... there are many actually....some too blended....some less.... but saying they are a few is not wise. Most of North Eastern Europe carries some definite genes of a Tatar...

Tatarzy Polscy website

Good one... keep browsing...

Actually these Tatars were quite strong. If yu heard of the Golden Horde...

They were the Gengis Khan Army... ruled the known world...

And ofcourse... there are versions of history in Poland that they didnt come deeper inside due to Polish retaliation....however, more acceptable and international versions of history confirms that the leadership of these guys went back (making the advance further deep into a halt) only to select the Emperor....as there was somekind of elective system there ...

However... Mongol (TATAR - more Euro) blood is all over Russia-North East Europe.... further west perhaps its lesser and lesser.....but they did touch on Poland....and they loved to mingle :)...

halal food

?
David_18 68 | 982  
8 May 2007 /  #12
We dont have many official muslims, thats becuse the polish people are very nationalistic. But ofcourse we have some, mainy tatars and maybe some gypsys?
horunPoland - | 109  
9 May 2007 /  #13
in Warsaw i think there is one mosque and in south east poland ( near Nowa Sarzyna there are fews)

halah food (no pork) just eat in turky restauran i think thay also don't eat porks??
LoneStranger 3 | 382  
9 May 2007 /  #14
thats becuse the polish people are very nationalistic

Whats religion got to do with nationalism?
sparrow 2 | 243  
9 May 2007 /  #15
halah food (no pork) just eat in turky restauran i think thay also don't eat porks??

Halal or Kocher have to do with the way food is prepared not what the food is. Don't really think they care if it's halal or not as long as it's not pork
LoneStranger 3 | 382  
9 May 2007 /  #16
as long as it's not pork

Why so angry on Pork? ... or is it love.... or something else?

And... what else is supposed to be prohibited?
Freedom  
9 May 2007 /  #17
yeah halaal is the preparation of the food, the animal must be blessed before slaughtered. correct me if im wrong as I am no expert, just had brief chats about it with a muslim colleague. think halaal literally means lawful.

pork is prohibited - not because it is sacred or a figure of worship, far from it - but because it is seen as unhealthy and naturally dirty and unsafe. i think alcohol is also prohibited.
LoneStranger 3 | 382  
9 May 2007 /  #18
alcohol is also prohibited.

I think these guyz take in both... however... :D ... its their business.... Live and Let Live I say!
sparrow 2 | 243  
9 May 2007 /  #19
The pork thing is outdated by now. It used to be like that because back in the days animals like pork were carrying lots of diseases. Porks like a dirty habitat to start with, rolling in mud, etc.. So eating was porn wasn't healthy at all at that time. But nowadays it's perfectly safe of course, but it stayed as a tradition I guess.
witek 1 | 587  
9 May 2007 /  #20
Tatars in Poland sometimes have a Muslim surname with a Polish ending: Ryzwanowicz, Jakubowicz.

Jakubowicz (son of Jacob) is not a Muslum surname it is Hebrew

Jakub = Jacob is a hebrew name יַעֲקֹב

with Polish ending (owicz) meaning "son of"
adilski 2 | 105  
29 May 2007 /  #21
the face of modern europe...
ahmed25 - | 1  
20 Jun 2007 /  #22
any muslim in poland ?

hi im a muslim from egypt, i want to know if there is any muslim ppl live in poland, and how its them live and if them have problem there or no ? with polish ppl?

and if any sp talk about islam and convert ppl there to islam, i hope the polish ppl be muslim better than any religain if you want to talk about islam send email to me
Teng 1 | 14  
20 Jun 2007 /  #23
the muslim in poland is very different which compare to malaysia

Muslim in Malaysia

20th century muslim in Malaysia



magda09 1 | 54  
20 Jun 2007 /  #24
there are muslem in north east of poland, but i do not think is best religion :)
daffy 23 | 1,508  
20 Jun 2007 /  #25
i don't believe any one religion is 'best'

though i understand one would need to believe there own religion is 'best' in order to follow one.
Otherwise, why follow an inferior one???

I stand by my first statement
ukinpoland 5 | 338  
20 Jun 2007 /  #26
This has been going for nearly 1 year
Daisy 3 | 1,227  
20 Jun 2007 /  #27
i don't believe any one religion is 'best'

I think Magda meant popular rather than best
hachamovich  
22 Jun 2007 /  #28
Jakubowicz (son of Jacob) is not a Muslum surname it is Hebrew

Jakub = Jacob is a hebrew name יַעֲקֹב

with Polish ending (owicz) meaning "son of"

True. Jakubowicz is a very common Jewish surname. I dont think there are muslims with that name, although there are names that are used by everyone, as Markowicz (Jews, Gypsies, Christians, Muslims etc').
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,163  
22 Jun 2007 /  #29
I dont think there are muslims with that name,

There are.
Daisy 3 | 1,227  
22 Jun 2007 /  #30
the story of Jacob is in the Koran, but I don't know what the Arabic for Jacob is, but I'm sure many muslims are named this

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