Does Poland count in Europe or is it ignored?

The EU should become just PR agency, those bureaucrats are already close to perfection in this useful skill. They are more populist than our domestic parasites and thus higher in all possible popularity rankings.

Seems so. :):):)


Doesn`t seem so. When I drive on a renovated road, decorated with such a board,

my life standard has certainly improved. :):):):):)

Looked through the forums and couldn't find anything, I'm surprised no one has brought up the book "The Next 100 Years: A Forecast for the 21st Century " A book predicting what the next 100 years on earth will look like.

It's a book written by George Friedman, chief intelligence officer and founder of Strategic Forecasting, Inc. (Stratfor), a private intelligence agency whose clients include foreign government agencies and Fortune 500 companies. Gathering information from its global network of operatives and analysts (drawing the nickname "the Shadow CIA") And by my research their job is to essentially predict the future by examining many options countries have.

In the book he brings up Poland, along with the US, Turkey, and Japan being the next world powers for many geopolitical and other overlooked reasons, So according to this guy(who seems to have his credentials) yes Poland does or at least will count very much in Europe. I'm going to try to get to reading it in the next few weeks, looks interesting.

Yes, the topic of Poland as a superpower was discussed: https://polishforums.com/news/poland-prediction-world-superpower-xxi-38386/

But thank you for bringing it up again here.

Stratfor (and especially Friedman) is such crap, he is the laughingstock between serious analyzers as everybody can take it's own bias and wishful thinking and sell it as "intelligence gathering".

Take his opinion on all things and the contrary will be probably true, that's the best advise!

I could not have said this myself!
My compliments !

Why then do you bend over to pick a 5 cent coin on your way to a grocery shop? Of course, you wouldn't die or be hungry, but nevertheless, you do it. It gives you more than you currently earn at your job: Let's say you pick 5 cents in 3 sec. That will give you $1 in a minute and $60/hour, which leads to $480/day and around $10,000 a month! So don't be too arrogant, Torq, you earn by bending over much more than by thinking :)


Thank you ;)

Yes, they do, and that is why the support for EU in Poland is steadily over 80%. People just love fairy tales. :):):):)

Or, maybe they see more than you? :):):):)

twojaeuropa.pl/578/cbos-duze-poparcie-polakow-dla-ue

We're not talking about 5 cents in 3 sec. We're talking about 25 cents a day :)
(and that's without all the cost that Poland has to pay before getting that 25 cents).


I'm not arrogant. It's just strange for me when I hear that EU hugely supports
Poland financially and it sounds as if Poland gets some enormous money
from EU subsidies. We don't :)

25 cents a day is peanuts money (actually, it's not even enough for peanuts,
but, for the sake of argument, let's call it "peanuts money" :)).

If someone at a party offers me some peanuts, then obviously I don't refuse,
I don't want to be rude - I say thank you, and I take the peanuts.
However, if the same person later claims that he supports me and my family
by giving me those peanuts then I dare to disagree with him saying that :)


Maybe you earn your money by bending over, Nathan. I earn my living mostly
by thinking :)


The article only says that overwhelming majority of Poles supports our
EU membership (I'm one of those supporters :)). I never said that I'm
against Poland being in EU. We belong in European Union.
I only don't take kindly to people who keep repeating how EU is flooding
us with money and how we constantly milk the poor, old EU - that's simply
not true :)

EU does nor give 25 cents straight to you but it gives a lot to some others from who you get your 25 cents if piticians are corrupt.

If every single poles give 25 cents per day extra to the government, and you will pay for those neighbours who don't think they should pay anything then you can give back all the money to EU and speak very loud to them that PL don't need their money and still have a good budget to build stuff..

What do you think? Since it is so small amount of money, shouldn't be a problem that every one will pay this 25 cents a day?

paiz.gov.pl/index/?id=be3ac64e67e84198f03f45b661f2124a

the EU has granted us over 67 billion EUR.
....
Over the period of 2007-13 Poland will be the largest beneficiary of EU funds among all the member states. The programmes being prepared by Poland are the largest not only in the contemporary financial perspective, but often in the history of the EU.

Check out whether your firm can apply for financial support from the EU structural funds.

Manno, someone should really tell the polish gov that's only about 25 cents...;)

@Anton

You're missing the point - that 25 cents a day is the amount that we get
simply by dividing the 3.6 billion in subsidies that we get between all Poles.

However - to get those 3.6 billion, Poland first has to pay 2.4 billion
to the common EU budget - so we're left with about 8 cents a day profit...

...however, to receive that 8 cents we have to support an army of civil servants
who enforce the EU laws and regulations, which in many cases, slow down our
development and limit our economy (in terms of taxes for example).

The point I was making was that the financial benefits that we get from
EU membership are, by and large, imaginary.

But - to answer your question, yes - I think it will not be a huge problem for
Poland to do without this 3.6 billion subsidies (especially when you consider
the cost of receiving them).

Financially, we would most likely be better off without EU. But, for historical
and geo-political reasons, we should be a part of that alliance.

Really!

You should go with this to the media...really! ;)

canada-poland.com/files/EUStructuralFundsInfoForCompanies.pdf


I would say without the funds from the EU you couldn't hope to achieve what you want to...
It needs much more than just 25 cents...

Torq you don't get it.The amount of money you receive is NOT calculated by person and day.You are not like beggars asking EU for money for the population.

No! If more people realised it, they might become anti-EU.

I wouldn't want that. I'm 100% pro-EU and don't want to discourage
people from supporting the idea of Polish membership.

It's only on our small forum, where I can afford some honesty among friends ;)


I know that - I only made the calculation to show that some people's claims
that EU hugely supports Poland financially are a little bit exaggerrated.
Of course EU doesn't pay every Pole individually :)

Well...I for one would like to know the math what makes 25 cents from 67 Billions!
And especially why Poland doesn't need those funds actually...or even would be better off without it...

It doesn't mean that I would become anti-EU, just that we maybe could save the money and
spend it somewhere else...who really needs it...
Why wasting so much money?

I imagine the poor soviets trying to calculate the help to Poland and find out where these funds from oil disappeared.But at that times both parts stole the other.First time in Poland's history their partners do not steal.(till now).

Erm... I never said Poland doesn't need them. Every little helps, you know.


Without EU membership, when we'd be able to excercise full economical
freedom, lowering taxes (with completely abandoning some of them, like
the VAT tax for example), completely de-regulate the market and basically
introduce real, capitalist liberal economy without all those nonsensical
rules and limitations that EU membership puts on us, then YES I believe we
would be better off financially.

In current situation, we're not even able to lower some of the taxes because
of the common EU policies (some time ago our government planned to lower
the VAT tax and fuel excise tax and had to give up the plans because of
protest form other EU countries about "unfair competition" or something
equally stupid).

Erm...I didn't know the EU regulates your countries tax-policies...

Torqi? You are pulling our legs, don't you! ;) :)

But of course it does, BB. For example the standard rate of the VAT tax
inside EU cannot be lower than 15% if I'm not mistaken (some countries
are on temporary lower taxes but eventually the stakes are to be
harmonized in all-EU). That's just one example.


No more than I usually do ;) :)

Gotta beat it, lads. Goodnight :)

EU cares only about euro stability and creating markets for its products.

Fuk the Eu.

EU is good because you get flooded with quality germanic products and not some turkish crap.The Germanics lend you money to buy their products.The point is what do you give the Germanics?At the end we will be left only with asss.

Germany=Turkey.

Why blame Eu for 15% tax regulation? Blame the Polish government which imposes tax as high as 22% on most products and services.


Do you also mean full freedom of selling Polish goods in Europe markets?

Say's a Jew! You've got to be kidding!

You play football and other sports in the EU, you take part in our festivals...all because we are so generous to allow you in as you are unable to play nice with your neighbours.

The military hardware you get is made in Germany too...I can't hear any "turkish" complaints when you want to get your greedy fingers on quality military hardware like our u-boats or our fregats.

Not to mention all the new wishes of reparations - it's not Turkey you are begging.

What a loser you and your people are...you NEED the EU because without our patience you would be totally isolated and probably not existent already, but we could live very well without you and have much better relationships with potential arab tradingpartners!

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_and_the_European_Union


Man, why don't you pack your bags and leave Germany, you are just polluting the air and we have something against that...I can help you showing the door!

I don't play football...primitive sport.
I do take part in your festivals, thanks.
Well, you have no sense of humour and you're overreacting on my comparison of Germany and Turkey.

If you don't like having to pay billions to Israel, go back in time with your DeLorean and stop the holocaust...if you can.

And I know where the door is...and I will cross it in exactly 5 years.

Actually, I think that the EU turn to be anti-Jewish in the future. All their propaganda effort to convince people that they are actually useful are based on populism. Socialist policy and growing public debt will likely ruin European part of western world and then foolish masses must be provided those "responsible". Economic troubles? Sounds like great opportunity to raise "Jewish problem". European leftist media already conditioning people's brains wisely using "Palestinian issue" to stir antipathy towards evil Zionists. Average ignorants consider Zionists and Jews one and the same people. I don't need to add more.

I don't need the Palis to develop an aversion against Israel...they give a bad image all alone by themselves.

But if the EU does make a u-turn on Israel one time, that will only be a problem for Israel.
Imagine...no daily news filled with more crap from the ME...;)